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Oh yeah, they really outmanoeuvred the US Navy by being sort of close to strategically unimportant islands.
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Sep 15, 2023 18:45
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LRADIKAL posted:Oh yeah, they really outmanoeuvred the US Navy by being sort of close to strategically unimportant islands. exercising their freedom of navigation is evidently outmaneuvering
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Sep 15, 2023 18:46
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Gort posted:What's it like guided? I'm really surprised we haven't seen more laser-designated arty in use. I guess copperheads don't grow on trees. Bar Ran Dun posted:Many things that work in small fiberboard boxes for light objects seem totally sensible but are not at all sensible. Lashing arrangements that folks use in their day to day lives to say take an appliance home in a truck bed are often utterly inappropriate for the marine mode. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Sep 15, 2023 |
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Sep 15, 2023 19:00
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evil_bunnY posted:depends on guidance type. GPS is prob a meter or so, laser you can prob pick which tooth you'd like to knock out of someone's mouth. US developed lidar blocking technology, russia simply pulled all their teeth!
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Sep 15, 2023 19:02
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Has anyone heard or seen anything about Kadyrov? A bunch of accounts on Twitter are saying that Andrii Yusov (Ukrainian military intelligence spokesperson) said that his health suddenly deteriorated and he's fallen into a coma.
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Sep 15, 2023 19:39
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BillsPhoenix posted:The point of it is, the claims Russia is out if everything on verge of collapse seem to be BS if they're able to outmaneuver, even briefly, the US Navy in a completely different theater. I mean it's true that the Russian Navy was able to outmaneuver the US Navy in a completely different theater... ... because the Russian Navy was in a completely different theater than the US Navy and not actually anywhere American territory undetected. They were seen long before they got anywhere close to American territory and also did not get close to American territory. EDIT: Beaten.
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Sep 15, 2023 19:52
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Surely alongside "the next six months are crucial" making Friedman a running joke in global events, if you want to imply someone is an utter idiot about current events, say they remind you of Mearsheimer.
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Sep 15, 2023 20:03
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Mr. Apollo posted:Has anyone heard or seen anything about Kadyrov? A bunch of accounts on Twitter are saying that Andrii Yusov (Ukrainian military intelligence spokesperson) said that his health suddenly deteriorated and he's fallen into a coma. Yusov did say that Kadyrov is in critical condition, that part is undisputed. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/15/7420017/ Whether it's true, who knows. So far, almost every instance of "Has anyone seen X? I heard he's dead / ill / whatever" has turned out to be false.
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Sep 15, 2023 20:06
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beer_war posted:Yusov did say that Kadyrov is in critical condition, that part is undisputed. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/15/7420017/ I think we've heard this exact story about Kadyrov from Yusov himself before, too. Kchama fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Sep 15, 2023 |
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Sep 15, 2023 20:08
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We haven't seen Prigozhin lately...  (there's already about as many theories about him as of Amelia Earhurst and Elvis combined)
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Sep 15, 2023 20:08
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Just spitballing, but was Prigozhin ever considered a counterweight to the risk Kadryov could conceivably have posed to Putin? If Wagner was a block to Kadryov ever "getting ideas", I could see Kadryov getting the ol' spicy spicy as Putin playing safe. But I am in the group of Kadryov-is-no-risk-because-he's-not-Russian types so I just don't think that's credible.
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Sep 15, 2023 20:25
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BillsPhoenix posted:The point of it is, the claims Russia is out if everything on verge of collapse seem to be BS if they're able to outmaneuver, even briefly, the US Navy in a completely different theater. the Aleutian islands are so irrelevant and pointless that the united states let japan take them in WWII and never bothered retaking them because they were useless but it cost japan a ton to hold them like it had to be kept a state secret how little the united states cared because otherwise japan might withdraw
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Sep 15, 2023 20:27
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evil_bunnY posted:No i mean failing the inspection for not actually lashing is sensible, my b. My previous employer just started a partnership with the container lines to screen import hazardous cargo from overseas. It’s been a real horror show.
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Sep 15, 2023 20:32
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Rust Martialis posted:Just spitballing, but was Prigozhin ever considered a counterweight to the risk Kadryov could conceivably have posed to Putin? Kadyrov can't have ideas because he's not Russian, and the machinery of state is racist enough that they would never support him. That is precisely why he is allowed the power he has, because he has no ability to make a play to be the top dog, it makes him a safe choice to use as an enforcer with a private army. If both something is actually wrong with Kadyrov and this isn't all fake news, and that something isn't just "Kadyrov took too many weird drugs and burned out his last remaining brain cells", and Putin actually had him removed, my bet for the reason is that when Prig was doing his glory ride, the Tiktok squad was ordered to engage them and... didn't, instead pretending they were stuck in traffic for hours. That could be the kind of betrayal that Putin won't accept.
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Sep 15, 2023 20:33
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evil_bunnY posted:depends on guidance type. GPS (excalibur) is a couple meters, laser (copperhead) you can prob pick which tooth you'd like to knock out of someone's mouth. Anecdotal but I've asked artillery guys about copperhead rounds a few times since 2015 and I don't think they're in use anymore. Even in Desert Storm the U.S. only fired about 70 of them. The fact the user had to be (relatively) close to laze the target made it not worth the bother over calling for fire traditionally until the advent of Excalibur rounds.
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Sep 15, 2023 21:00
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Tuna-Fish posted:Kadyrov can't have ideas because he's not Russian, and the machinery of state is racist enough that they would never support him. That is precisely why he is allowed the power he has, because he has no ability to make a play to be the top dog, it makes him a safe choice to use as an enforcer with a private army. Also Ramzan is someone Vladimir has been able to count on so far to keep Chechnya calm. It seems unlikely that he would start rocking THAT boat in the middle of THIS war, because a renewed conflict in Chechnya wouldn't help at all. Without further evidence I'm not buying the story, it's like all those times that Putin went missing for a week and rumours started circulating.
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Sep 15, 2023 21:00
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Rust Martialis posted:Just spitballing, but was Prigozhin ever considered a counterweight to the risk Kadryov could conceivably have posed to Putin? First of all, unlike Prigozhin, Kadyrov is a moron, like absolutely low iq failson monarch relying on his advisors to run things. Being a coward turned out to be more valuable than being smart in the end though. Second, the agreed deal with Kadyrov is that he lords over every Chechen in Russia - that extends to things like kidnapping of women and gays that escaped Chechnya by his plainclothes police from Moscow. But thats it - his attempts to take a bite out of other Caucasus republics over the years have been shot down and Chechens dont have the best reputation there. Third, the war has pretty clearly shown that Kadyrov's goons are thugs and not actual fighters. The days of Gelayev Spetsnaz are long gone. Akhmat batallion is mostly a clever scheme of filling regional recruitment quotas - they recruit volunteers from all over the country offering some bonus pay and then send those soldiers to the front as if they are recruited from Chechnya. fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Sep 15, 2023 |
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Sep 15, 2023 21:53
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Dirt5o8 posted:The fact the user had to be (relatively) close to laze the target made it not worth the bother over calling for fire traditionally until the advent of Excalibur rounds. Drones would be awfully useful for that, although they're already spotting for GPS guided munitions.
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Sep 15, 2023 22:08
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evilweasel posted:the Aleutian islands are so irrelevant and pointless that the united states let japan take them in WWII and never bothered retaking them because they were useless but it cost japan a ton to hold them I'm not sure what islands you're thinking of, but it sure wasn't the Aleutians. The US considered the islands highly important and drove the Japanese out. That campaign is most famous for when they failed to realize the Japanese had withdrawn from Kiska before the US landing and subsequently lost hundreds of troops to an enemy that wasn't even there.
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Sep 15, 2023 22:24
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EasilyConfused posted:I'm not sure what islands you're thinking of, but it sure wasn't the Aleutians. The US considered the islands highly important and drove the Japanese out. That campaign is most famous for when they failed to realize the Japanese had withdrawn from Kiska before the US landing and subsequently lost hundreds of troops to an enemy that wasn't even there. The Battle of Attu was a pretty notable battle as well. That's what finally ended the occupation of the Aleutians. You're correct that the US took that very seriously, mostly because of the potential for the Japanese to use those islands as strategic bomber bases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Attu
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Sep 15, 2023 22:50
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Ukraine had their own domestically-built laser guided artillery rounds that have been reportedly pretty useful, though its not clear to me if they are still manufacturing them. Drones definitely breathe new life into lasers.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:20
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Rust Martialis posted:You saw the review of the Moskva readiness report right? For the *flagship* of the Black Sea Fleet? Yes. That's what I'm trying to say. The black sea fleet is Russia's oldest and worst ships.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:38
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Nenonen posted:AFAIK Russia and USA are not at war, so I fail to see how that is relevant? I've been thinking about this lately. I agree with you, but realized I don't know where the line is. The US largely doesn't declare war anymore, so you get claims that [x] conflict isn't a US war. Right now the US is supplying arms, training, Intel, satellites, troops just outside the border and more. The US and Russia aren't at peace.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:44
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BillsPhoenix posted:I've been thinking about this lately. I agree with you, but realized I don't know where the line is. congrats youre almost all the way to reinventing the concept of a "cold war"
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Sep 15, 2023 23:45
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BillsPhoenix posted:I've been thinking about this lately. I agree with you, but realized I don't know where the line is. The US and Russia are not fighting each other. Full Stop. Supplying arms to a 3rd party is not and has never been considered active participation in hostilities.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:45
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Ukraine had their own domestically-built laser guided artillery rounds that have been reportedly pretty useful, though its not clear to me if they are still manufacturing them. Are there any drones that do laser spotting for precision rounds?
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Sep 15, 2023 23:51
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Deteriorata posted:The US and Russia are not fighting each other. Full Stop. 100% agree. Having active supply lines, real time intel, volunteer fighters, and active duty deployed for supply chains is not just arms dealing. And the cold war is a long history of the US and Russia fighting each other via proxy wars, even if not directly. Full war, no, but fighting? Absolutely.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:55
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Really not sure what your point is, other than "the US and Russia continued to be hostile to each other even after the end of the Cold War," which, yeah, we all know that. Maybe there was five years or so when it looked like history had ended but Putin's rise pretty much was the end of that.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:59
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The cold war is a literal, war. If the Ukraine conflict is a continuation or restarting of the cold war, then the US and Russia are at war. If we're short of that, what level of US involvement would mean the US and Russia are at war?
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Sep 16, 2023 00:26
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BillsPhoenix posted:The cold war is a literal, war. Americans and Russians shooting at each other without bothering with plausible deniability.
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Sep 16, 2023 00:32
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BillsPhoenix posted:The cold war is a literal, war. The "Ukraine conflict" is not a restarting of the cold war. It is an imperialistic invasion of a sovereign nation by Russia. Most of Europe is also supporting Ukraine, but somehow that doesn't count in your estimation. The US and Russia would be at war if their armed forces were directly conflicting somewhere in large numbers.
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Sep 16, 2023 00:37
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BillsPhoenix posted:The cold war is a literal, war.  It literally was two sides maneuvering to check the other without engaging in open warfare.
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Sep 16, 2023 00:42
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BillsPhoenix posted:The cold war is a literal, war. They’re, like, literally at war with each other!!
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Sep 16, 2023 00:45
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BillsPhoenix posted:The cold war is a literal, war. Openly shooting and killing each other directly. I really don't understand your point, either way.
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Sep 16, 2023 00:47
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fatherboxx posted:
Can you talk more about this? Being a casual observer of this thread, all I’ve heard about the Kadyrov guys is that they’re running around doing atrocities, I don’t seem to hear much about them actually fighting or how they do against the Ukrainian forces, casualties, etc.
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Sep 16, 2023 00:55
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So are Canada and Iran at war rn?
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Sep 16, 2023 00:55
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BillsPhoenix posted:The cold war is a literal, war. the cold war was literally not a war
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Sep 16, 2023 01:10
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Dr.Radical posted:Can you talk more about this? Being a casual observer of this thread, all I’ve heard about the Kadyrov guys is that they’re running around doing atrocities, I don’t seem to hear much about them actually fighting or how they do against the Ukrainian forces, casualties, etc. They've been rightfully accused of staging videos for content ("tik tok battalion"). They always film videos of them "going into battle" but the usual Russian war commentators never seem to mention much of them in actual operations. They've been accused of conveniently showing up late due to "traffic jams." etc. It stinks of warlord accusations and bickering, but that's the game they play there. The atrocities accusations is because they show up as enforcers in occupied territory and terrorize civilians. They were a part of the Mariupol siege and "filtration" afterwards. The main guys are kitted out well and have fancy guns, but never truly get near the real action, despite their tiktoks to the contrary. It's like when Prig would get kitted out and film a video in Bakhmut. I'm also not speaking from a position of particular authority on the subject or anything. So if any is more familiar, please correct.
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Sep 16, 2023 01:13
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Rust Martialis posted:Surely alongside "the next six months are crucial" making Friedman a running joke in global events, if you want to imply someone is an utter idiot about current events, say they remind you of Mearsheimer. Perfect. I mean countries wanting to survive and not be made victims of a near-peer war the next country over? How dare they! :greta: (intentionally not an emoji)
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Sep 16, 2023 01:35
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The brilliance of a cold war is that it is fought by proxy, in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc. But it is fought.
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