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njsykora posted:
It reportedly sold half a mil in four months of release which is pretty loving good considering there were like four PS5s on shelves to buy
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Sep 15, 2023 23:27
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Hadlock posted:I think just like movies, you can have a huge budget, proven management and still create a real turd. There's probably actuarial tables on this stuff we just don't see them I get what you're saying but it's funny that you chose to illustrate your point with a movie that made almost a billion
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Sep 15, 2023 23:35
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Prism posted:Edit: excuse the tiny screenshot. A wrist-mounted shofar does look like a good holiday item.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:35
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YoYoGames/GameMaker's reaction:quote:It's been an incredibly stressful week for a lot of indie developers. We've been having some fun at Unity's expense, but we also know that this is a serious issue with real-world consequences. https://twitter.com/GameMakerEngine/status/1702342740086792320 You can redeem the 3 month export license at: opr.as/F-Unity https://twitter.com/GameMakerEngine/status/1702344083694342573
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Sep 15, 2023 23:38
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Didn't whoever bought yoyo games try some poo poo with the existing perpetual export licences E: god I forgot it was Opera that bought them
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Sep 15, 2023 23:43
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They switched to monthly subscriptions but afaik the old permanent licenses are still valid.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:44
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Bruceski posted:A wrist-mounted shofar does look like a good holiday item. I thought it looked more like coathooks, but I wasn't sure why you'd want them arm-mounted.
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Sep 15, 2023 23:47
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Hadlock posted:
what do you mean "turned around"? he wrote loving willow, he always had that poo poo in him
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Sep 16, 2023 00:08
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Prism posted:I thought it looked more like coathooks, but I wasn't sure why you'd want them arm-mounted. You've never had a group of people say "oh as long as you're holding his coat can you get mine too"?
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Sep 16, 2023 00:18
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Rarity posted:I get what you're saying but it's funny that you chose to illustrate your point with a movie that made almost a billion Cultural inertia is wild It's an absolute dogshit B tier movie but I've probably watched it cumulatively 3 times because reasons
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Sep 16, 2023 01:12
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Hadlock posted:Cultural inertia is wild a mere 3 times!? and you have the audacity, the utter unmitigated gall to call yourself a goon 
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Sep 16, 2023 01:26
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Rarity posted:I get what you're saying but it's funny that you chose to illustrate your point with a movie that made almost a billion If we pick Star Wars, let’s go with Episode 9: Revenge of the JJ for something very flashy but creatively bland
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Sep 16, 2023 01:30
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Lucas had total creative control for episodes IV, then also I, II, III. He's also credited with writing the screenplay for IV and I do it makes for a better comparison. Directed and executive produced, too
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Sep 16, 2023 01:57
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It would be nice if this led to a wider discussion about how gaming industry profits are distributed. If the likes of Steam wasn't taking 30% for access to their social media platform, there would be a lot more wiggle room to negotiate other costs.
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Sep 16, 2023 01:59
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Steam provides a lot more services than merely a storefront and access to a social media platform. It also serves as DRM(notably significantly less terrible than virtually all other DRM choices), online matchmaking services, distribution/installation/patching infrastructure, and a centralized mod platform(if the game allows it). These are all services that would be costing money and effort in some form if Steam was not providing them.
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Sep 16, 2023 02:31
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If you want to sell your game on your website nobody is stopping you. You can just put an ad in 2600 magazine and cash physical checks people mail you and mail them a CD-R or slabs of cuniform Valve knows they have no economic moat as an online market place so they provide a lot of additional services I'll setup an online marketplace and only charge you 5%, but I'm gonna run ads on your store page, and I'll only guarantee you can download it for 4 weeks after purchase
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Sep 16, 2023 02:36
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Kanos posted:Steam provides a lot more services than merely a storefront and access to a social media platform. It also serves as DRM(notably significantly less terrible than virtually all other DRM choices), online matchmaking services, distribution/installation/patching infrastructure, and a centralized mod platform(if the game allows it). These are all services that would be costing money and effort in some form if Steam was not providing them. Yeah, inclined to agree here. Stem is a middleman, but it is not just a middleman that skims off the top without actually providing any value in and of itself. Just the additional reach it provides is likely a net gain for a bunch of developers.
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Sep 16, 2023 02:37
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Orv posted:Also on the “EA will use this to discredit SP big budget games” thing; that’s happened multiple times in the past but they continue to be one of the big producers of big budget SP games every time so I wouldn’t worry about it much. Hell we got a third Dragon Age game after 2 and I wouldn’t have blamed them for closing up shop on the series for a while after the response, deserved or not. It'd be pretty stupid logic too since so many big hits lately have been SP games.
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Sep 16, 2023 02:44
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OneEightHundred posted:It'd be pretty stupid logic too since so many big hits lately have been SP games. I mean in this thread of all threads, the logic being stupid certainly wouldn't disqualify it from being made, given the major recent topic of discussion I am glad that the multiplayer-games-as-a-service fad does seem to be at least somewhat dying out compared to how many people were trying to clown car their own takes on the concept out not too long ago
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Sep 16, 2023 02:50
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OneEightHundred posted:The logic would also suggest that Anthem and BF2042's rocky launch were discrediting MP big budget games, so which is it? I just meant that in EAs case very specifically, people have said exactly that thing multiple times before when they’ve had a miss and it’s never come true. I get where the trepidation comes from, EA definitely has a history of real hot ideas regarding its properties but I think it’s unlikely that they’re going to stop using their sports billions to occasionally make an RPG or a spectacle shooter or what have you.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:03
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Terror Radius Wesker is amazing because every super-twitchy pubbie will never do anything since your terror radius will have them diving into a locker every 30 seconds while against everyone else it's functionally just having Undetectable up except you can also abuse Terror Radius buffs like Infection Fright like woah.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:24
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Thought this was an interesting little data point. https://twitter.com/kerrblimey/status/1702043696672235670
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Sep 16, 2023 03:56
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Kanos posted:It also serves as DRM(notably significantly less terrible than virtually all other DRM choices) Significantly less effective, almost to the point of wondering why it exists, also
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Sep 16, 2023 04:13
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Having effective drm doesn't really matter that much. look at everything on gog, including BG3 The main benefits of drm are like (a) to last for like the opening weekend for a hyped high-marketing-budget game as that's when most of the sales are (b) to make executives happy
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Sep 16, 2023 04:20
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Convenience matters most, and having all your games handled by Steam is very convenient.
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Sep 16, 2023 04:21
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Having effective drm doesn't really matter that much. Doesn’t everything on GOG have no DRM as the whole point? Was under the impression that’s why a lot of big publishers recent games don’t end up there but maybe they do it game by game now.
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Sep 16, 2023 04:23
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Yeah on almost every occasion I've paid more to have the game on steam than a competing platform like GoG or green man gaming* or, uh, itch.io *GmG seems like it's just a steam key reseller, but I guess they offer other titles as well?
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Orv posted:Doesn’t everything on GOG have no DRM as the whole point? Was under the impression that’s why a lot of big publishers recent games don’t end up there but maybe they do it game by game now. Yeah that's my point. They have no drm whatsoever and are trivial to pirate (just zip up the files and send them to a friend! or upload online) yet BG3 still sold gangbusters and made enough money to go swimming in gold coins scrooge mcduck-style.
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Sep 16, 2023 04:27
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kirbysuperstar posted:Didn't whoever bought yoyo games try some poo poo with the existing perpetual export licences Kanos posted:It also serves as DRM(notably significantly less terrible than virtually all other DRM choices) kirbysuperstar posted:Significantly less effective, almost to the point of wondering why it exists, also
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Sep 16, 2023 04:28
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Yeah that's my point. They have no drm whatsoever and are trivial to pirate (just zip up the files and send them to a friend! or upload online) yet BG3 still sold gangbusters and made enough money to go swimming in gold coins scrooge mcduck-style. Oh okay I completely misunderstood your initial phrasing, my bad.
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The Kins posted:By Valve's own admission the Steamworks DRM stuff is more for ensuring players are properly logged into online services, and only prevents "extremely casual piracy". This is true, but preventing extremely casual piracy is the entire point of most DRM solutions. Other common DRM services like Denuvo and SecuROM typically don't hold up to dedicated pirates attempting to crack them either, but are far more invasive and frequently involve performance degradation for legitimate users.
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Sep 16, 2023 05:12
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denuvo is the one that's famous for actually yes holding up, there are only like 2 active crackers on earth who can currently deal with it. one is a megalomaniac who embeds weird transphobic rants in all her cracks and the other lives in a cave 364 days a year and only comes out when the latest Football Manager game releases.
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njsykora posted:Convenience matters most, and having all your games handled by Steam is very convenient. Kanos posted:This is true, but preventing extremely casual piracy is the entire point of most DRM solutions. Other common DRM services like Denuvo and SecuROM typically don't hold up to dedicated pirates attempting to crack them either, but are far more invasive and frequently involve performance degradation for legitimate users. I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that Denuvo actually has a negative performance impact, or any evidence that in any game with performance problems, that the thing causing the performance problems is Denuvo. Maybe there are one or two that did something stupid that I'm not aware of, but 99% of the time it's just "it's running slow, it must be Denuvo" when something like shader/PSO mismanagement is like 1000x as likely. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Sep 16, 2023 |
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Sep 16, 2023 05:26
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:denuvo is the one that's famous for actually yes holding up, there are only like 2 active crackers on earth who can currently deal with it. one is a megalomaniac who embeds weird transphobic rants in all her cracks and the other lives in a cave 364 days a year and only comes out when the latest Football Manager game releases. God bless the second guy and also go away EMPRESS
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Sep 16, 2023 06:08
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kirbysuperstar posted:God bless the second guy and also go away EMPRESS
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OneEightHundred posted:Maybe there are one or two that did something stupid that I'm not aware of, but 99% of the time it's just "it's running slow, it must be Denuvo" when something like shader/PSO mismanagement is like 1000x as likely. While I generally agree that DRM and anti-cheat complaints tend to be pretty off-base most of the time, Denuvo has had performance impact in quite a few more than a couple games. It seems to primarily be an issue of dev side implementation, where sloppy or poorly done Denuvo integration can absolutely wreck performance. If that doesn’t happen it tends to be a couple or a few FPS at most but that’s still something that you would prefer at none.
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Sep 16, 2023 06:32
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OneEightHundred posted:I just assume that all of the "performance degradation" complaints about Denuvo are fake bullshit from cranky pirates. Doom Eternal ran Denuvo and had basically no perf issues at all. It's a lot more than cranky pirates. From personal experience, Rage 2 ran like complete dogshit for me prior to their (extremely rapid because it got cracked) Denuvo removal, after which it ran at locked 60. It's definitely frequently blamed the moment a game has bad performance and Denuvo regardless of whether or not Denuvo is causing it, but just because some people falsely accuse it doesn't mean it hasn't actually caused problems.
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with that kind of DRM it's up to the game developer to annotate which parts of the binary are allowed to be mangled by the protection, and those sections will run slower so it's a balancing act of mangling as much code as they can get away with while touching as little as possible on the performance critical path
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Do people who normally pirate games run out and buy it whenever the DRM ends up too strong to crack? Considering the cost of buying the license and adding it to the game, does it even make up for that in more sales?
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