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Jonny 290 posted:my setup is f2-f8 for party members, heals are always on the left hand. and f1 is Icarus on SGE and AM on BLM. For self heals i ESC to untarget and then cast right, this is like how I healed in uh, 1999... theres got to be a better way lol
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This game is generally slow enough that I only ever bother to click skills but I also don't go into serious content. however there's console players who beat Ultimates and their only choice is to use a gamepad so it's like, do w/e it's fine
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That Little Demon posted:right, this is like how I healed in uh, 1999... theres got to be a better way lol yeah my other main game is dark age of camelot so 1999 isn't far off the mark for me, lmao i ended up buying a macro pad for healing and running groups in that game. extreme neckbeard content below  (the group window i use in that game is two rows of 4 so it's just whack-a-mole) I don't think the multi key things I have set up on that board are legal in catgirl simulator though.
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I personally select which party members are worthy of my godly healing magicks with a mouse but not before checking their glams and adventure plates.
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That Little Demon posted:yeah but i also like using my toolkit efficiently and even just 2 aoes, 2 direct heals, 2 0CD heals, regen, and esuna would be better to just be able to cast off target from my mouse. Just bear in mind, that unlike WoW, Mods in FF14 are very against ToS. Even letting slip that you're using purely cosmetic mods can get you heavily punished.
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BlazetheInferno posted:Just bear in mind, that unlike WoW, Mods in FF14 are very against ToS. Even letting slip that you're using purely cosmetic mods can get you heavily punished. Oh poo poo? Well nevermind
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That's only if you get reported though, they don't scour chatlogs unless given a reason to. It's a) because they want the difficulty to be tuned around the tools they give the player access to b) they want console and pc players to be on the same footing. This only really matters in high end content, but they apply the policy to the whole game even if the mods don't actually affect your gameplay.
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You can mod all you want, just don't mention it in in-game text or stream with a bunch of non-vanilla stuff on screen. I'd say easily 50%+ of the PC playerbase mods and Squenix isn't dumb enough to gut their userbase over
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One of the more heavily memed moments in recent memory is a Progression Raid Group doing the New Hardest Content accidentally revealed that they were using a camera mod that let them zoom out into the stratosphere.
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That Little Demon posted:Oh poo poo? Well nevermind It's fine just install them and don't mention it in game. They don't make any effort to detect mod use unless it lets you perform actions which would otherwise be impossible.
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Doomykins posted:or stream with a bunch of non-vanilla stuff on screen. Oh so I'm not supposed to have my camera pulled out to the point that the players are barely-visible specks in the raid?
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Jonny 290 posted:yeah my other main game is dark age of camelot so 1999 isn't far off the mark for me, lmao this is awesome in a "you are loving insane" kind of way, but I've seen insane set ups for boxing in EQ too lol
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For healing I moved the party list to a more accessible place for the mouse and scaled it up a bit. BRD needs a heal? Click 'em on the list and press a heal button. I also have a Raise macro, doesn't say anything but casts Swiftcast and then shotguns some raises, prioritizing who I have selected, then tanks, then healers, then DPS. Only exception is RDM, where I usually end up clicking the body on the ground instead and then Vercure into Verraise.
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has there ever been an official explanation why 14 can't just have a "mouseover on all friendly abilities" option separate from having to make it a macro?
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That Little Demon posted:right, this is like how I healed in uh, 1999... theres got to be a better way lol Just use macros. The macros are pretty robust. You can target party members specifically with the macro, target your target, target your target’s target (really useful imo), mouseover target, etc. The target’s target is super good if you don’t want to have to disengage to toss a heal on the tank. /ac “Action Name” <tt> Use that for your tank heals and such and you never have to deselect a boss to heal the tank.
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That Little Demon posted:its also strange raiding in FF14 because its like bite size pieces of a raid. I'm used to a raid being a big thing but this feels oddly like, these raids don't exist in the world? in EQ, Classic WoW ect these raids existed in the world, yes there was trash and busy work ect instead of just bosses but this distilled form of raiding feels weirdly disjointed from the world ect. Things like that help the world feel more real, whereas in FF14 the overworld is dead and exists as an afterthought, you get barely any attachment to zones besides the 3 major cities.... its not bad and its different but there is something lost there It's my least favorite aspect of FFXIV and it's why I never end up caring about endgame. The fights are there for the first time spectacle for me. The rewards for clearing fights are generally not impressive either, just a small stat bump that doesn't even make you feel significantly more powerful.
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to answer your original question, I think there are a couple of mouse over plug in options , although I don't heal often enough to use them myself. if you aren't already using it, look up XIV launcher, which has its own plug in browser for all kinds of things.
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The plugin you want that makes mouseover healing better is ReAction, it lets you do things like queue macros so you can use Mr. Nice's setup without the downsides. And then if you really want to get into the features, with Stacks you can do things like have Esuna autotarget anyone who has a debuff, auto Dance Partner based on class priority, etc. If you're gonna use plugins for healing, RezPls is nice to have too, it highlights who needs a Raise or Esuna so you don't have to memorize a million different boss ability names for Poison.
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Vitamean posted:if you aren't already using it, look up XIV launcher, which has its own plug in browser for all kinds of things. It also downloads updates at a reasonable speed unlike the official launcher.
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when yall talk about 'mouseover' - does it literally fire if you just hold the mouse over a player? or do you have to click? the former seems like it would induce a shitton of misfires
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Jonny 290 posted:when yall talk about 'mouseover' - does it literally fire if you just hold the mouse over a player? or do you have to click? the former seems like it would induce a shitton of misfires You cast on what you are mouse over in WoW. So player names
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That Little Demon posted:its also strange raiding in FF14 because its like bite size pieces of a raid. I'm used to a raid being a big thing but this feels oddly like, these raids don't exist in the world? in EQ, Classic WoW ect these raids existed in the world, yes there was trash and busy work ect instead of just bosses but this distilled form of raiding feels weirdly disjointed from the world ect. Things like that help the world feel more real, whereas in FF14 the overworld is dead and exists as an afterthought, you get barely any attachment to zones besides the 3 major cities.... its not bad and its different but there is something lost there The closest thing to WoW raids is Alliance Raids. Those are the big long ones with lots of trash mobs in between boss fights. They're still not quite as long as WoW raids (and thank god for that imo) but they are as close as you're gonna get.
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Ojjeorago posted:If you're gonna use plugins for healing, RezPls is nice to have too, it highlights who needs a Raise or Esuna so you don't have to memorize a million different boss ability names for Poison. I mean in the case of Esuna you can just look for the very obvious blue line under the debuff. I used RezPls for a bit but it didn’t really give me more useful reminders than scanning over the party list already did. 
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It would be nice if they officially implemented better mouseover support. Mouseover macros are clunky and don't work super well. They have been slowly adding ui features based on popular plugins so who knows, maybe one day. Still for now the healers mostly work fairly well without it.
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Yeah mouseover would be pretty good ngl
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Jonny 290 posted:when yall talk about 'mouseover' - does it literally fire if you just hold the mouse over a player? or do you have to click? the former seems like it would induce a shitton of misfires If you press a spell keybind then the usual target priority for the triggered spell in "modern" MMOs is mouse-over'd entity > targeted entity > you. In FF14 you can only get that with macros. 14's macros effectively apply an activation time penalty on any spell they trigger and they should be avoided for anything you use frequently in combat. The game is slow enough that targeting someone while a spell is casting, tossing the new target whatever ogcd they need, then tabbing back to the boss before my cast time is up is not usually a problem. It can get irksome if I have to chain a lot of ogcds, which does happen occasionally. Astrologian and Sage in particular can be a bit much since they have targeted aoes, and potentially do have to do very lengthy ogcd chains due to cards and Kardia moves. Xerophyte fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Sep 16, 2023 |
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Controller has soft targeting which I guess is similar to mouseover targeting on kb+m?
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that's absolutely wild for me. We abuse the old way where a spell just doesn't fire if the target is invalid in DAOC to double-bind keys. i.e. on my healer in that game, i hit 1. It attempts to cast both a DoT and a heal. If i have an enemy targeted the dot lands and the heal fails. if i have a friendly targeted the dot fails and the heal lands. Interesting explanation, ty
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You can also set a macro to target a specific person in your party list, based on their order. By default, you're always <1>, and if you're a healer, <2> will be your tank. So, for example...code:Edit "What if you're in a raid and player 3 is your main tank instead of player 2?" code:
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Note that macros don't stack, so if you used the above, and you used any other macro, it would break the wait timer message.
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The most important use of macros is to set things up so every time you switch jobs your character snaps their fingers just as the switch happens.
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girl dick energy posted:You can also set a macro to target a specific person in your party list, based on their order. By default, you're always <1>, and if you're a healer, <2> will be your tank. So, for example... this seems insanely complicated for something mouseover would solve lol
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That Little Demon posted:this seems insanely complicated for something mouseover would solve lol
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girl dick energy posted:Sorry. Instead of helping you work with the systems we've got, next time I'll just magically make Squeenix include mouseover. I didn't mean to sound dismissive, it just doesn't help with my actual issue, which is I hate pressing keyboard keys to heal and managing all the macros ect (this is a me issue, I hated doing it in EQ and every MMO I've played, which is likely 100). WoW made this insanely good with mouseover and HealBot eventually which turned healing into an actual thinking mans game of mana managements rather than struggling trying to move my hand like a bard in EQ twisting a bunch of poo poo. I realize FF isn't like that, I just wish it had those options natively. Macros are good for targeting stuff but constantly having to adjust that and if I ever switch jobs or use other macros ect, seems like a giant headache I would tire of.
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XIV ultimately has a different design where instead of reacting to health bars bouncing up and down, high end content is extremely predictable so you plan out in advance where you hit every button in order to never actually spend global cooldowns on healing and instead squeeze out as much dps as you can. That makes casual content not very fun to heal imo.
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Fair enough. XIV has a different philosophy for healing than WoW does. Instead of being about mana management, it's a press-your-luck game of how much of your time you can still spend murdering poo poo without anyone dying, and being able to use your instant-cast heals without worrying about where your mouse is can help with that. e:f;b https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osvUOqeDwD0
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I don't know if it would help at all, but you can assign your mouse wheel, or really any other buttons, to scroll through your target list or party list. I used that for a while and it worked not bad, but my favourite mice end up having lovely wheel gears so it got unreliable.
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right and the issue with focusing on DPS is how bosses just, loving disappear and I lose target of them, even focus target, while trying to heal. DPSing as a healer is, frankly, loving annoying lol, and I hate that is the expectation. I have 2 loving damage spells and one is a DOT and Stone loving 4, how much could I actually be contributing.
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That Little Demon posted:right and the issue with focusing on DPS is how bosses just, loving disappear and I lose target of them, even focus target, while trying to heal. DPSing as a healer is, frankly, loving annoying lol, and I hate that is the expectation. I have 2 loving damage spells and one is a DOT and Stone loving 4, how much could I actually be contributing.
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SirSamVimes posted:XIV ultimately has a different design where instead of reacting to health bars bouncing up and down, high end content is extremely predictable so you plan out in advance where you hit every button in order to never actually spend global cooldowns on healing and instead squeeze out as much dps as you can. and honestly, which is why its a drag right now to heal through this stuff. I could see it being better at 90 pushing content, I raided on top tier guilds in most MMOs, and I love that cutting edge stuff, but its clunky as hell here to heal and DPS constantly trying to find targets (tab targeting was broken with multiple enemies not starting with the closet enemy, which I had to fix AND make a different key set to target closest enemy... another complication lol)
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