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Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

EVIL Gibson posted:

Trying to move air in a lovely generic case was poo poo since you really only had the back and front to pull air in/out.
It's still kind of poo poo because the ATX motherboard standard isn't optimal for air cooling current gen PC components, especially with GPUs puking hot air into the case.

Optimum Tech had a video recently where he 3D prints air ducts for his case and gets really good results, but it's a lot of work and obviously only works with that specific case and components.

Having more consistent components (like mandating a GPU should have a certain board size) would help, but ultimately I think we'd need to make a new standard for PC components if we want higher efficiency air cooling.

e:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cehXZftIYok

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Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"
We were trading vcds and tapes by mail in the 90s since we only had 56k connections

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry


I have one of these in perfect condition, and if I could figure out a cheap way to ship it to Humphreys, I would do it in a heartbeat.

It's a Terapin VCD recorder, which played or recorded VCD and SuperVCD and did a drat good job of it.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

F4rt5 posted:

Yeah I usually just used that at parties like The Gathering where there were interesting hard-to-find older things and stuff on private servers. Otherwise it was all EasyNews and private FTP servers in our little geek circuit.

Probably because there was an oldtimer Razor courier among us.
Everything about this post, I mean except the actual pirating, is stuff I dreamed about in the 1990s, hell yeah

I do remember by the time of the last BBS meetup I went to people were definitely starting to exchange burned CDs

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

Collateral Damage posted:

It's still kind of poo poo because the ATX motherboard standard isn't optimal for air cooling current gen PC components, especially with GPUs puking hot air into the case.

IIRC, one of the selling points of the ATX standard was moving the CPU to a position it could be ducted to the PSU intake fan, reducing the number of fans a manufacturer had to include.

But then none of this was built around the possibility of an air-cooled 600w TDP video card, either (the GTX 4090 is loving stupid.)

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo

Collateral Damage posted:

It's still kind of poo poo because the ATX motherboard standard isn't optimal for air cooling current gen PC components, especially with GPUs puking hot air into the case.


I was mainly talking about the case and less about the motherboard. PCs really didn't need much cooling but even at the time 3d video cards got super hot around that time.

While looking for examples to show this I found an awesome site where people refurb old cases to show off common design mid-90s

The 1995 IBM Aptiva





The guy did cut extra holes so it's not entirely accurate.

A 486 did not need top/side fan mounts or large open spaces in the front and back, so the case is as closed as possible because of ascetics; just enough to keep the processor from burning up (but still overheated like a bitch like all other OEM PCs.)

quote:

Having more consistent components (like mandating a GPU should have a certain board size) would help, but ultimately I think we'd need to make a new standard for PC components if we want higher efficiency air cooling.

Which is why I hope (read: probably loving not) ASUS motherboard concept takes hold.



One good way to make the motherboard more open to cooling is to take all those thick power wires and gently caress them off to the back. Only usable by their specific case so it sucks.

Or buy a PC case with absurd amounts of room in the back and do some good Dremeling.

quote:

Optimum Tech had a video recently where he 3D prints air ducts for his case and gets really good results, but it's a lot of work and obviously only works with that specific case and components.

This is common in PC custom built for performance and not for looks. If your #U blade server, especially 1U/2U there are going to be cool ducts to funnel the air straight to the things that need to be cooled and not to the things that have no use like the PCB.

My HP Proliant tower is my Plex + file server and like half is cordoned off because of plastic air ducting.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

I used to trade 8bit wavs over irc before mp3 became a thing. It was absolutely terrible sounding but somehow extremely fun

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



History Comes Inside! posted:

I thought all DVD players could play VCDs back in the day?

Playing back properly pressed (not necessarily official, but not CDRs) VCDs was almost ubiquitous, but finding players that could go above and beyond and do CDRs/DVDRs of all brands and then the, essentially made up, formats like XSVCD, CVD etc was the fun part. Websites would buy every player and try all kinds of discs on them and give you a chart of what they could do. Almost certainly it was the supermarket $99 players with brand names you’d never heard of that would have the most abilities, but I did have a great multi region Panasonic that could play pretty much anything I threw at it.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Yeah maybe it’s just the fact that every stand-alone dvd player I ever encountered was a cheap no-brand POS then, how weird.

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


I also got a no-brand cheap DVD player that allowed you to change the region code with the remote and it even played divx files off DVD-Rs. It was all extremely cool back in 2005.

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo

barbecue at the folks posted:

I also got a no-brand cheap DVD player that allowed you to change the region code with the remote and it even played divx files off DVD-Rs. It was all extremely cool back in 2005.

I had a LiteOn DVD player back around 2005 as well that could read both divx and xvid. I know the videos had to be very specific (like CBR rate or something) but they were cool enough to state in the manual what it could support.

Man LiteOn was such a cool brand. Making burners that work with everything with awesome buffering.

Around that same time, I got a portable CD player that could play mp3s off the CD. One thing mp3 had over the CD was the buffer size was to the point you had to shake it for a minute straight before it would stutter. All you had to do was not shake it hard for like 10 seconds and it would be full up again.

I worked in a cemetery doing weed whacking and walked up and down hills for hours and it wouldn't skip at all the entire time.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
The Nero logo is a burning Colosseum for some weird reason.

Just something I just remembered.

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

Nero Burning ROM is such a good name for a program

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Rome

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Yeah, and nobody dares to have such a name nowadays.

Qwijib0
Apr 10, 2007

Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?

Fun Shoe

F4rt5 posted:

You mean usenet, surely?


Beve Stuscemi posted:

There was a big pirating scene on irc, it was very obtuse, obnoxious, and involved a ton of hoop jumping.

it was better than the alternatives at the time, when @home cable service was just beginning to be a thing in the late 90s.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




F4rt5 posted:

You mean usenet, surely?

Nah IRC was the place to be for the discerning early to mid 00s pirate.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
I did my music piracy on GamingForce Audio. It's how I learned to use an FTP client.

mlnhd
Jun 4, 2002

History Comes Inside! posted:

Nah IRC was the place to be for the discerning early to mid 00s pirate.

That article used to be accompanied by this great image:

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




r u ready to WALK posted:

Nero Burning ROM is such a good name for a program

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Rome

Sort of? No one pronounces “rom” as “Rome”. Or they shouldn’t at least :catstare:

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Yeah but ROM and Rome share the same 3 first letters you’re really thinking about this way too hard

It’s just a fun lil reference

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



History Comes Inside! posted:

Nah IRC was the place to be for the discerning early to mid 00s pirate.

I like that it covered both ends of the spectrum, you’d have your xdcc bot kids over on DALnet from memory, then actual scene ftps using irc to relay bot info for couriers racing releases.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Beve Stuscemi posted:

Sort of? No one pronounces “rom” as “Rome”. Or they shouldn’t at least :catstare:
Germans wrote the program iirc

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Beve Stuscemi posted:

Sort of? No one pronounces “rom” as “Rome”. Or they shouldn’t at least :catstare:

In German the words are spelled the same.

F4rt5
May 20, 2006

History Comes Inside! posted:

Nah IRC was the place to be for the discerning early to mid 00s pirate.
Ooh, the BSA said so, no less. Maybe it was for the kids back then :3:

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'

Antigravitas posted:

In German the words are spelled the same.

There is also a small town in northern Germany called Rom, which I know about from that time a British pensioner decided to drive to Rome and then blindly followed his satnav as it took him a thousand kilometres in the wrong direction. When he got to Rom he crashed into the welcome sign.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Horace posted:

There is also a small town in northern Germany called Rom, which I know about from that time a British pensioner decided to drive to Rome and then blindly followed his satnav as it took him a thousand kilometres in the wrong direction. When he got to Rom he crashed into the welcome sign.

Amazing

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Humbug Scoolbus posted:



I have one of these in perfect condition, and if I could figure out a cheap way to ship it to Humphreys, I would do it in a heartbeat.

It's a Terapin VCD recorder, which played or recorded VCD and SuperVCD and did a drat good job of it.

Oh my! Where are you in the world? If not me, maybe TechnologyConnections etc might be interested

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
800 people live in Rom, yes.

[insert "wir haben Rom zuhause" meme]

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

r u ready to WALK posted:

Are you saying you don't have your own local ftp mirror of macintoshgarden.org and virtual machine running netatalk 2.1.6 so you can browse its file shares from System 7?

Hey I bought this tower in 2004 (I think) and I'll be damned if I throw out a perfectly good computer case
https://web.archive.org/web/20030924095624/http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/php/rd.php?rd=EYE910BB&toc=3040


heh i still have that case too, except the black version. i think it still is in storage somewhere, really scuffed up from all the lan parties

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




r u ready to WALK posted:

Are you saying you don't have your own local ftp mirror of macintoshgarden.org and virtual machine running netatalk 2.1.6 so you can browse its file shares from System 7?

Wait, does macintoshgarden offer mirror copies to download, or did you scrape it all somehow?

E: and how do you keep up with new stuff?

Beve Stuscemi has a new favorite as of 13:04 on Sep 18, 2023

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

I used to get the latest Simpsons and Futurama episodes from IRC in mpeg format. The files were ready to be burned as VCDs. When I had three episodes, I would burn a VCD with a meny and delete the :filez: off my computer so save space.

Big shoutout to #simpsonsMPEG on EFnet!

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

Beve Stuscemi posted:

Wait, does macintoshgarden offer mirror copies to download, or did you scrape it all somehow?

E: and how do you keep up with new stuff?

https://macintoshgarden.org/forum/public-access-file-repository

I only downloaded it once many years ago, I haven't bothered figuring out how to keep it up to date.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




New Posy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qIHCUWAgh4

If you're posting in this thread and not watching Posy, you should be

minato
Jun 7, 2004

cutty cain't hang, say 7-up.
Taco Defender
I started watching Posy because of this video he made about VFD displays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkPSDOjhxwM

But really I just follow him because he's got such a chill relaxing voice.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


That Eink video got me to subscribe and I'll go through his whole catalogue until my stupid flesh and blood eyes stop working.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Worth it

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

#bookwarez and #oldwarez used to be favorite hangouts back in the day, along with the rpgscanz dc++ server.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
President, Founder of the Brent Spiner Fan Club
I remember everyone at my high school, like every single person I knew pronouncing it like "Juarez" and it driving me loving mad

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo

rndmnmbr posted:

#bookwarez and #oldwarez used to be favorite hangouts back in the day, along with the rpgscanz dc++ server.

There was a dedicated SA DC++ server and it was amazing especially music.

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Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
The program name "NESticle" is still funny to me.

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