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i say swears online posted:interesting that the spanish cardinal directions are also from the old germanic English and French have both with the latin versions being only for fancy use Boreal forest, the Occident, etc
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*giant ham voice* Sadiq Khan dug up Londinium on purpose! 
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Guavanaut posted:
Is this excluding coins from Byzantium?
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my austrian friend is going to have an apoplectic fit when i show them this so thank you
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Count Roland posted:Is this excluding coins from Byzantium? Yeah kinda bewildered at how few there are in the east. Maybe just because of more archaeology in Western Europe? Neat to see that one way over north of Kazakhstan.
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Austria is the most Eastern European country in Europe. Aside from Portugal (obviously)
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Koramei posted:Yeah kinda bewildered at how few there are in the east. Maybe just because of more archaeology in Western Europe? I presume the metals in the east were used to melt down into new coins whereas there wasn't really the same level of society in the west to accomplish that at the time where the coins would have been in circulation.
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mobby_6kl posted:Austria is some sort of Russian colony at this point so definitely eastern europe She danced with Putin at her wedding. Now the former Austrian foreign minister has moved to Russia quote:A former Austrian foreign minister who had invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to her wedding and danced a waltz with him at the 2018 reception said she has moved to St. Petersburg to set up a think tank there.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Finland should be grey. As someone who is flying to Helsinki in a few hours and has been regularly checking the weather forecast: 
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Mister Olympus posted:you should read the yiddish policeman's union if you haven't already; a partially-in-yiddish noir novel in an alternate 50s where the jewish state in alaska came to be Nitpick: The novel is not set in the 50s but in the same (but alternate) time it was written. That is, by the time of the main plot, this Jewish state has existed for a couple of generations. And also the long-term lease of the land on which it was built is about to run out. (Also I don't recall it being partially in yiddish; except insofar as it throws around a fair amount of Yiddish slang and expressions.)
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Guavanaut posted:
An old classic. I wish ice caps and glaciers were their own sphere
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Count Roland posted:An old classic. It'd be about twice as big as the second sphere.  https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/distribution-water-and-above-earth
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Guavanaut posted:
Odd cutoffs for the map. Plenty of finds both south and east of that area.
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Grand Fromage posted:Odd cutoffs for the map. Plenty of finds both south and east of that area.
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Guavanaut posted:
Sri Lanka having a multiple of the coins found in Ireland is wild given their respective distance from Roman territory.
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Just you wait until someone founds a Roman coin in Antarctica
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I'm impressed the (already mentioned) spot north of Khazakstan/east of the Urals.
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The big hollow space of what used to be the Parthian empire between Syria or the Caucasus and India is kind of weird to have visualized like that.
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Blut posted:Sri Lanka having a multiple of the coins found in Ireland is wild given their respective distance from Roman territory. In the 1st century the Romans figured out how the monsoons worked and then a trip from Yemen to south India only took a month there and a month back as long as you timed it right which is really short by the standards of the day It’s why there’s so many more coins in south India then north India despite being farther in raw distance
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Blut posted:Sri Lanka having a multiple of the coins found in Ireland is wild given their respective distance from Roman territory. It's still pretty generous considering what you'd be interested in buying from Ireland, prior to the opening of the potato mines.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:In the 1st century the Romans figured out how the monsoons worked and then a trip from Yemen to south India only took a month there and a month back as long as you timed it right which is really short by the standards of the day Right, but a trip from Roman Britain to Ireland took less than a day, even at the speed of Roman ships. A trip to Sri Lanka involved Roman Egypt to Yemen, to South India, to Sir Lanka, so probably closer to two months all-in - or about 50-60 times the duration.
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Yeah but Sri Lanka has nice weather and Ireland is always raining so a day feels like a month.
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Blut posted:Right, but a trip from Roman Britain to Ireland took less than a day, even at the speed of Roman ships. A trip to Sri Lanka involved Roman Egypt to Yemen, to South India, to Sir Lanka, so probably closer to two months all-in - or about 50-60 times the duration. Sure, but what luxury goods (Luxury goods being the main things you're trading for that far from the Med) does Ireland produce that Romano-British merchants want to buy? Also pretty curious about the displayed distribution in Britain given this one from Wiki: 
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PittTheElder posted:Sure, but what luxury goods (Luxury goods being the main things you're trading for that far from the Med) does Ireland produce that Romano-British merchants want to buy? Well, Ireland produced a lot of raiders during the late Roman period, and some of them did raid Roman Britain instead of the more popular option of invading the Picts. So you would expect either raid loot or protection money to show up in some quantity.
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Servetus posted:Well, Ireland produced a lot of raiders during the late Roman period, and some of them did raid Roman Britain instead of the more popular option of invading the Picts. So you would expect either raid loot or protection money to show up in some quantity. Wouldn’t they be more interest in slaves/goods than useless coinage?
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if civ games taught me anything they desired that sweet peat
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Blut posted:Right, but a trip from Roman Britain to Ireland took less than a day, even at the speed of Roman ships. A trip to Sri Lanka involved Roman Egypt to Yemen, to South India, to Sir Lanka, so probably closer to two months all-in - or about 50-60 times the duration. Hmmm Two months from the second richest portion of the empire to get spices and artisan goods from the worlds third biggest economy Or a day from the rear end end of the empire that it already takes a month to get to so that I can get what sheep?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Wouldn’t they be more interest in slaves/goods than useless coinage? It's not modern currency, the coins have intrinsic value.
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EasilyConfused posted:It's not modern currency, the coins have intrinsic value. When it’s the mid-late empire and the coin contains almost no silver?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:When it’s the mid-late empire and the coin contains almost no silver? Fair point, missed the "late Roman" part of the previous post.
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Hurricanes and cyclones that were tracked between 1851 and 2015
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PittTheElder posted:Sure, but what luxury goods (Luxury goods being the main things you're trading for that far from the Med) does Ireland produce that Romano-British merchants want to buy? There was a decent amount of copper mining in Ireland, and trade in other goods: quote:Roman Britain certainly traded with Ireland, exchanging metals, cattle, grain, animal hides, hunting dogs and human slaves for wine, olive oil and decorated craftware such as crockery, glasses, jewellery and ivory Plus extensive raiding of Roman territory as mentioned by others: quote:Rome’s failure to control of the Irish Sea was to be the bane of many a governor of Roman Britain, as it provided a safe haven for incessant marauding pirates and other enemies of state. Tacitus was all in favour of the conquest of Ireland, arguing that it would increase the prosperity and security of their empire. “We know most of [Ireland’s] harbours and approaches,” he wrote, “and that through the intercourse of commerce.” https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/what-did-the-romans-ever-do-for-ireland-1.4205876 Your map has a huge concentration of coins around modern day Cardiff, whose hinterland would have had a similar economy at the time to Hibernia. Which also adds to the curiosity. BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Hmmm When has Sri Lanka ever been the world's third biggest economy?
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Guavanaut posted:
This map is basically small_artefact_discovery_reporting_practices.jpg, and isn't even that good at being that. Many countries officially forbid the use of metal detectors and have made it illegal for people to sell valuable artefacts they recover; two of the only countries in the Old World that don't do that are the UK and Israel, which is why they have relatively good representation on this map. Also, in terms of representation in Ireland vs Sri Lanka, the so-called "Muziris Papyrus," which has shed important light on trade with southern India in the 2nd c. AD, suggests that taxes on trade with southern India and Sri Lanka alone brought in 25-30% of the estimated annual military budget of c. 1 billion sesterces at that time. It was immensely important for the imperial fisc.
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Blut posted:There was a decent amount of copper mining in Ireland, and trade in other goods: I guess I should say economic region but South Asia has accounted for enormous portions of the worlds GDP pre-colonization with its high point being a full quarter of the worlds economic output. Sri Lanka and south India served as gateways for the goods of the entirety of India Southeast Asia and southern China as well for the Roman’s whereas with Ireland they would only have the goods that Ireland produced because everything else is either in the territory or they could just go there for trade directly Sri Lanka was much more economically productive and important as a trading center than Ireland and had only a slightly longer travel time from the center of the empire and its wealthiest provinces so I don’t think it’s surprising that there was evidence of much greater trading activity there regardless of its distance from the periphery
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MeinPanzer posted:This map is basically small_artefact_discovery_reporting_practices.jpg, and isn't even that good at being that. Many countries officially forbid the use of metal detectors and have made it illegal for people to sell valuable artefacts they recover; two of the only countries in the Old World that don't do that are the UK and Israel, which is why they have relatively good representation on this map. The idea of forbidding something as simple as a metal detector is new to me. Are these laws that are enforced? I assume they're meant to prevent plundering though I wonder how effective they'd be.
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