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rantmo posted:I'm kind of surprised that Dark and Blood Angels are included, I know they're substantially Codex compliant but they feel so, I dunno, discrete from the rest of the generic chapters. I wonder if it will also include Space Wolves. The Oath of Moment change doesn't really surprise me since that's the Combat Patrol version. He did say "it also supports all of the First Founding chapters, such as the Blood Angels, the Dark Angels, in concert with their index." Not sure how much work the "in concert with their index" part is doing in that sentence. Maybe it just means that all the off-the-shelf Space Marine stuff that the more bespoke chapters can take will be overwritten by the codex (makes sense), while the chapter specific stuff will still be index-based until they release new books.
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Would be interested if they ever give a reason why Oath is being nerfed, seems like Marine's aren't so strong that they need knocking back. Also if Dark Angels etc will be mini-Codexes or full size ones where you need two if you want to run something like DA units under a standard Marine detachment.
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Sep 18, 2023 18:16
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The Community post writes that the Oath of Moment change is supposed to be a sidegrade. Marines are losing rerolls for Wound rolls in Oath of Moment, but a bunch of units are supposed to be gaining the ability to reroll Wound rolls from their unit rules. Really depends heavily on which units get this ability and what hoops they may have to jump through to activate it, so it's a bit early to really decipher which way this will push things.
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Sep 18, 2023 18:23
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Question for you guys, my brain being broken I'm looking at getting a Spartan as a Land Raider for my Custodes but I want to convert this one into a grav vehicle. Finding grav plates is fairly easy but I'm trying to figure out what I could use to put track guards where the grav plating wouldn't be. I suppose plasticard but 
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PharmerBoy posted:The Community post writes that the Oath of Moment change is supposed to be a sidegrade. Marines are losing rerolls for Wound rolls in Oath of Moment, but a bunch of units are supposed to be gaining the ability to reroll Wound rolls from their unit rules. Remember when 10th was supposed to be the "less rerolls" edition? Lmao
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Sep 18, 2023 18:54
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Oh huh, I just realized that the index cards I got for Sisters might be out of date based on the data card changes they released last week? For sure the points total is off now, I'm still pretty close to 1k since I'm at 965 which I guess means I can squeeze in a leader for my novitiates at some point. I can just play at a little disadvantage I suppose while I'm painting and figuring out where I want to take the army though
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Sep 18, 2023 18:57
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I just want some game balance to reduce the mono faction dominance. Like nonstop Eldar with some Necron. Hopefully the new points changed will give other factions a chance to shine.
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Sep 18, 2023 19:05
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Oh huh, I just realized that the index cards I got for Sisters might be out of date based on the data card changes they released last week? I'm planning on using my current Index cards + Post-It errata for at least two more editions.
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Sep 18, 2023 19:08
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moths posted:I'm planning on using my current Index cards + Post-It errata for at least two more editions. Yeah, I was thinking of doing basically the same thing. I've also added my stuff to battlescribe and stuff so I suppose I can look it up that way just as easily. But it's so much nicer to have a physical thing that I can reference imo
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Sep 18, 2023 19:44
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Yeah, I was thinking of doing basically the same thing. I've also added my stuff to battlescribe and stuff so I suppose I can look it up that way just as easily. But it's so much nicer to have a physical thing that I can reference imo Unless you want to buy new cards every quarter for the next 3 years you'll want to find some mix of digital solution(s) and printing your own cards.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:17
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Do what they did in the olden days, cut out the errata and glue on onto the
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Sep 18, 2023 20:24
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Geisladisk posted:Remember when 10th was supposed to be the "less rerolls" edition? Lmao Yeah, not really feeling that part of the revamp. IncredibleIgloo's concerns re: stratagem bloat also seem accurate and concerning IncredibleIgloo posted:. . . The complaints in 9th edition about too many Stratagems is going to come up again because it looks like each codex is going to have 6 detachments with 6 stratagems, which mean over 950 total stratagems in the game by the time the final codex is released. Unfortunately you cannot read up on your opponents stratagems ahead of time because as the codex gets released the free rules are pulled. . .
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They're still going to have a maximum of six at the table. You're not going to need to memorize them all any more than you need to commit twelve thousand MtG cards to memory. It's unambiguously Good that they've committed to capping complexity.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:46
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Yeah, being able to take two or three minutes to read the page and a half of strats for a detachment that you're not familiar with doesn't seem unreasonable or particularly onerous.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:48
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rantmo posted:Yeah, being able to take two or three minutes to read the page and a half of strats for a detachment that you're not familiar with doesn't seem unreasonable or particularly onerous. Does make me wish you could still peep them for free tbh, but if your opponent's not a dick they'll at least show their info.
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Sep 18, 2023 21:12
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The Bee posted:Does make me wish you could still peep them for free tbh, but if your opponent's not a dick they'll at least show their info. Are the strategems they choose not public information? I guess I just assumed that there wasn't really much hidden information in this game as opposed to say, deck construction in magic
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Sep 18, 2023 21:16
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Are the strategems they choose not public information? I guess I just assumed that there wasn't really much hidden information in this game as opposed to say, deck construction in magic You don't choose your stratagems, they come with your detachment and are fixed (at least at this point in 10e.)
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Are the strategems they choose not public information? I guess I just assumed that there wasn't really much hidden information in this game as opposed to say, deck construction in magic They are, but codex content's paywalled on the app, so it'll be less convenient to check yourself than it was during indexhammer. If anyone actively witholds their stratagems, they're not worth playing with.
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Sep 18, 2023 21:19
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Eh, perhaps I've just had bad experience with opponents running models with niche rules (other systems) who have expressly given me wrong info when I ask how their stuff interacts with more common rules, and would try to dance around showing their printed rules (via giving soft summaries when I ask to see the text) Although, in hindsight, they were dicks that I wouldn't play with again to begin with. For the reasons stated above.
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The trick is to find a good community (unless you’re lucky enough to have multiple ham friends) so any given person only has to be a dick once or twice before it’s well known and you know to refuse a game I means personally I’d instantly refuse to play someone who wouldn’t share up to their full list including stratagems. That’s not technically a rule but it’s the only way I’ve ever played. Normally not tue full list but almost always there’s going to be something going on I need to ask about. I have t memorized every knight and their guns, all tau are the same to me, etc Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Sep 18, 2023 |
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PharmerBoy posted:Eh, perhaps I've just had bad experience with opponents running models with niche rules (other systems) who have expressly given me wrong info when I ask how their stuff interacts with more common rules, and would try to dance around showing their printed rules (via giving soft summaries when I ask to see the text) Yeah you should consider playing with people that don't blatantly cheat constantly and also suck
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Man, refusing to share rules on the ‘trust me, bro’ basis is something I haven’t seen since middle school, so yea don’t play those people. I’m lucky that I have a great local store, but honestly not playing at all is better than playing with that kind of opponent.
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Sep 18, 2023 22:59
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Also consider that factions generally share one primary strategem (AoC for Marines) so you usually only need to learn 5 if you know the basics of the faction.
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I dont play 40k, but I was interested that this edition was supposed to be less lethal. Did that actually pan out?
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Ristolaz posted:I dont play 40k, but I was interested that this edition was supposed to be less lethal. Did that actually pan out? For some of the factions:  For some of the factions: 
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Ristolaz posted:I dont play 40k, but I was interested that this edition was supposed to be less lethal. Did that actually pan out? not really. if that's something you're interested in, try shatterpoint
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OK, I am pretty hyped about Space Wolves using the "White Scars" detachment. Apparently a strat for Mounted units that's - 1 to hit and - 1 to wound for 1 CP plus Advance and charge army wide. Yes, this is my unit of 6 thunderwolf cav plus wolf guard leader plus wolf lord... Edit I actually hadn't looked up Thunderwolf character abilities, but the Wolf Guard gives the bloodsurge ability when shot allowing a D6“ movement that can engage after being shot at and lethal hits, while the wolf lord gives a free strat and +1 advance and charge. Woof! hoiyes fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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It may not be smart but playing Blood Angels with the Assault Force detachment seems like a lot of fun. Yes, I would like to run forward and shoot you down while others jetpack all over.
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Is the only way to make an army full of terminators to play dark angels? I don't know anything about the new rules yet but I like terminators.
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JBP posted:Is the only way to make an army full of terminators to play dark angels? I don't know anything about the new rules yet but I like terminators. With basic Marines, you could theoretically put 60 Terminators on the board plus various Terminator characters and leaders. At 2K points, you could run 3x10 Terminators and 2x10 Terminator Assault Squad with 450 points left for characters. Going DA just gets you a little more variety.
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Devorum posted:With basic Marines, you could theoretically put 60 Terminators on the board plus various Terminator characters and leaders. Ok cool thank you! So you don't have to run battleline units? I assume I miss out on something without them. I would probably want to run them with an executioner and dreadnoughts since I have those nicely painted. The terminators would basically be the next iteration of my custom chapter where the lads get serious about spess merehning. Also sorry I will read the rules, but I might pull the trigger on some cheapo Leviathan splits. JBP fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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JBP posted:Ok cool thank you! So you don't have to run battleline units? I assume I miss out on something without them. I would probably want to run them with an executioner and dreadnoughts since I have those nicely painted. The terminators would basically be the next iteration of my custom chapter where the lads get serious about spess merehning.
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JBP posted:Ok cool thank you! So you don't have to run battleline units? I assume I miss out on something without them. I would probably want to run them with an executioner and dreadnoughts since I have those nicely painted. The terminators would basically be the next iteration of my custom chapter where the lads get serious about spess merehning. There's no requirements to run BL, but they have better Objective Scores and sometimes have access to things like Sticky Objectives. I like making goofy lists, so I'm probably going to run Oops All Terminators.
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Ristolaz posted:I dont play 40k, but I was interested that this edition was supposed to be less lethal. Did that actually pan out? Generally yes, with a couple of caveats: The rock / scissors / paper effect is a lot more pronounced in 10th, by design. Unit and weapon profiles have been split into more distinct types, so that dedicated anti-armour is effective into vehicles & monsters but less-so into elites, and vice-versa. Cover and armour saves are much easier to get for most units. A proper specialist anti-infantry profile like warp spider weapons can be just as lethal as before, but more common anti-infantry profiles like boltguns & lasguns will be less lethal compared to 9th. A big difference from 9th is that you don't really get many weapons that are still effective into every target type. At launch there were a few exceptions to this (like Deathwatch and Wraithknights) but they have largely been addressed with balance updates. Writing a well balanced list requires a better mix of units for different situations than just spamming plasma guns that used to kill anything.
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/09/18/celebrate-warhammer-day-with-a-brand-new-miniature/ I see the Astartes are now lagging in the ridiculous-pauldron competition.
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I laughed at loud at the space stag headpiece, just thinking about the many implications it implies. Do the Leagues have roaming space stags? Did stags survive to the 42nd millennium and are now wide spread across the stars? Was there one League supercomputer that had a .jpg of a stag and went "this looks cool" 
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Blooming Brilliant posted:Was there one League supercomputer that had a .jpg of a stag and went "this looks cool" This is the funniest option so I choose to believe it's true. None of the Voltann have ever seen a stag, it's just something the Ancestor Cores spit out iconography of, so they just assume it's some mythical beast
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"I just saw a sheep!" "lol don't be silly, sheep are mythical creatures much like dragons, or chimera, or respect for fundamental individual rights". I suspect the actual answer, which is more boring, is that it is the ancient symbol of an ancient house rumoured to have been handed down for tens of thousands of years. It's some sort of Terra creature that no one remembers anymore. Which isn't quite as good as "that never existed" but is pretty close. I mean the real real answer is "the designer thought it looked cool". This is also the only Votann with an animal head design like that. Maybe this one person is weird and all the other Votann laugh at them.
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Animals exist in 40k who is to say that they don't have gene bred deer and whatever?Kitchner posted:This is also the only Votann with an animal head design like that. Maybe this one person is weird and all the other Votann laugh at them. How do you mean? They have rams, dragons/lizards and wolves and stuff too. I think one of the hq models has the same crest design with a ram on it. JBP fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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JBP posted:Animals exist in 40k who is to say that they don't have gene bred deer and whatever? Thought it was the first "real" animal, thought the rest were all like mythic creatures or stylised designs. I've not really looked too closely at the models though so maybe I just have some sort of animal blindness.
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