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Cartoon Man posted:Why the hell does Jarmo still have a job, lmao CBJ. To be fair to Jarmo, Columbus is stacked with young talent and he has done a pretty good job of managing the trajectory of the team. He hosed up with Babcock but the team is run pretty well from a hockey standpoint.
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I don’t know if that really helps when they are terrible at hockey.
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Sep 19, 2023 16:52
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The team has gotten steadily worse for like 6 years running now, but he's totally a good GM, they are Stacked With Young Talent
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Sep 19, 2023 17:03
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Last year they lost a record amount of games to injury and it was a throw away season out of the control of the GM. It would be ridiculous to deny that Columbus has a top 3 or 4 prospect pool with a potential franchise center in Fantilli. The Jackets haven't been that good or that inspiring, but Jarmo has been slowly building a team that looks set to be fun and competitive for a nice window in the near future. Babcock incident is a comical failure but if we are strictly talking about team-building, there are much worse situations for teams to be in than the Jackets.
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Sep 19, 2023 17:07
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I think one of the CBJ statements implied Jarmo would be gone if this incident happened in July He got saved because CBJ don't want search for a new GM two days before camp opens
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Sep 19, 2023 17:09
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I also don't know that they're really stacked with prospects beyond the guys they got with top 10 picks in the past few years.
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Sep 19, 2023 17:12
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I dunno I think he's mostly good at his job. Good drafts, mostly shrewd signings and trades. I seem to remember that he was hailed as some kind of brilliant guy when he was first hired, and he's definitely not that, but he's better than the average GM I think. He was also the GM for the only real period of sustained success in Blue Jackets history (playoffs 5 times in 7 years from 2013-14 to 2019-2020)
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Sep 19, 2023 17:12
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Spring Break My Heart posted:I also don't know that they're really stacked with prospects beyond the guys they got with top 10 picks in the past few years. That's true but they were a middling playoff team before that. When your team isn't a contender, collecting a lot of good prospects fast is basically exactly what you want, right?
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Sep 19, 2023 17:14
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Exactly. Marchenko, Sillinger, Tarasov, and Johnson are already NHL players with nice ceilings. Coming in they've got Fantilli, Jiricek, Mateychuk, and a handful of other solid B/C prospects.
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Sep 19, 2023 17:22
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He probably isn't terrible but he is nowhere near good enough a GM to survive hiring Mike Babcock
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Sep 19, 2023 17:26
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Hitting on Jiricek, Johnson, and Fantilli is pretty important, and then you've got Mateychuk who is trending very well, Dumais (3rd rounder, 140 points last year in the Q), Marchenko (2nd rounder, looks like a very good hit), Chinakhov (looks like good value at #21). They've got a top 5 system at worst, probably more like top 3. Hiring Babcock should still lead to him being canned though. I'd agree that before this I would consider him a "good GM" pending the actual outcome of these prospects, although even Hextall looked decent for a bit at the start of the Flyers rebuild too. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Sep 19, 2023 17:26
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I remember when the Kings collected prospects for 2003-2010. Then 2012-2014 happened. Sometimes it comes together quickly.
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Sep 19, 2023 17:27
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It doesn't mean they need to keep him though either. Shero did a lot of the work on the Devils rebuild after all, doesn't mean he had to be the guy to lead them out of it though.
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Sep 19, 2023 17:29
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Jarmo rocks for going all in at the deadline and sweeping the Lightning.
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Sep 19, 2023 17:48
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Until Columbus proves it to me they should be viewed with suspicion. Their entire history, including in Jarmo, has been struggling to approach a basic level of respectability and then sliding backwards. They COULD end up with a talented young team, or guys could just not develop quite as expected, vets could bail to other teams, and they could be stuck in the recycling all their draft picks because it never comes together
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I think in a few years, perennial dumpsters like Columbus, Arizona, Ottawa, and Buffalo are going to be among the best teams in the NHL. And I also think none of them will win a cup.
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Sep 19, 2023 18:00
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I think in a few years, perennial dumpsters like Columbus, Arizona, Ottawa, and Buffalo are going to be among the best teams in the NHL. And I also think none of them will win a cup. Chicago hitting the lottery again and passing them all is going to be tragic
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Sep 19, 2023 18:02
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Also, Gudbranson lol
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I think in a few years, perennial dumpsters like Columbus, Arizona, Ottawa, and Buffalo are going to be among the best teams in the NHL. And I also think none of them will win a cup. 3 of those 4 teams (and maybe all 4 given what CBJ have been up to) are where they are because of ownership. So no, nothing will change with them until ownership changes.
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Sep 19, 2023 18:51
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I think one of the CBJ statements implied Jarmo would be gone if this incident happened in July It did happen in July.
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some more commentary on the Columbus situation from Biznasty and Ryan Whitney on their most recent podcast. https://twitter.com/wealthyscratch/status/1704157841374756879 **the tweet says it contains sensitive content, it does not - just a description of their words which are as follows: Spitting Chiclets posted:Podcast dropped today and it’s worth a listen. Some interesting bullet points: Starsfan fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Sep 19, 2023 19:52
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Starsfan posted:some more commentary on the Columbus situation from Biznasty and Ryan Whitney on their most recent podcast. Jfc Babcock is a menace
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https://twitter.com/ScottBilleck/status/1704212440333045783 man wtf is this look
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Sep 19, 2023 20:20
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I couldn't help but laugh at: invite them to lunch flip through their phone kick them out... without lunch power move Babs, you complete loving psycho
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Sep 19, 2023 20:21
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This has got to be that he thought his comeback tour was going well enough he could bully the younger players and they’d be too afraid to say anything
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Sep 19, 2023 20:31
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Misanthrope posted:I couldn't help but laugh at: That's very bad but this part was ten times worse! quote:One older player who hasn’t quite cracked the NHL yet said that he was sitting on the bench in an empty arena taping his stick before the final preseason game in Anaheim. Babcock came and sat next to him, said something along the lines of “this is pretty amazing isn’t it?.” When the player he agreed, Babcock continued; “soak it in, it’s the last time you’ll ever be on an NHL bench.” What a raging loving rear end in a top hat holy poo poo.
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Levitate posted:This has got to be that he thought his comeback tour was going well enough he could bully the younger players and they’d be too afraid to say anything well.. I guess I can understand how from his perspective he thought the hurdle would be convincing someone to hire him, and then after he got past that he could do whatever the hell he wanted since he'd be back in charge.
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Every time more details come out I keep wondering why didn't they tell us that from the start.** Because this has gone to the potentially innocuous "Babcock made everyone share pictures from their phone" to "Babcock told a guy to come over for lunch, flipped through his phone for 10 minutes, then kicked him out without lunch" **Just kidding I know it's because they want people to listen to their podcast, as much as they want to paint themselves as pure-hearted advocates for the players Jamwad Hilder fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Sep 19, 2023 20:41
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Levitate posted:This has got to be that he thought his comeback tour was going well enough he could bully the younger players and they’d be too afraid to say anything I mean it almost worked. They were clearly too afraid to say anything to management or even their own captain. If they hadn’t helped get an investigation going by leaking info and listening to vets who specifically warned them about Babcock’s antics, this thing could have gotten swept under the rug. Just an insane failure by management to protect their players. WeaponX fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Sep 19, 2023 20:41
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What was Babcock even trying to gain by going through guy's phones? It was originally parsed as him wanting guys to share pictures on the screen in his office to get to know them better. Now it seems like he just wanted to go through certain players phones? Was he looking for evidence of wrongdoing or something? This whole story is completely bizarre and I don't understand a lick of it.
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ThinkTank posted:What was Babcock even trying to gain by going through guy's phones? It was originally parsed as him wanting guys to share pictures on the screen in his office to get to know them better. Now it seems like he just wanted to go through certain players phones? Was he looking for evidence of wrongdoing or something? This whole story is completely bizarre and I don't understand a lick of it. He wanted to see if any of them unlocked Lifeguard Tifa in the smash mobile hit Final Fantasy VII Ever Crisis.
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Aphrodite posted:It did happen in July. But it wasn't reported until a week or 2 ago. If the story broke immediately and Babcock was out then, Jarmo is probably out of a job
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ThinkTank posted:What was Babcock even trying to gain by going through guy's phones? It was originally parsed as him wanting guys to share pictures on the screen in his office to get to know them better. Now it seems like he just wanted to go through certain players phones? Was he looking for evidence of wrongdoing or something? This whole story is completely bizarre and I don't understand a lick of it. Why tell a random AHLer you will never make it to the NHL just to rub it in his face? Dude is a crazy rear end in a top hat who loves using his position of power over ppl to humiliate them. I’m sure he was looking for something to mock, weaponize, or hold over their heads the whole season. Classic power dynamic abuse. Gotta keep those rookies in check!
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ThinkTank posted:What was Babcock even trying to gain by going through guy's phones? It was originally parsed as him wanting guys to share pictures on the screen in his office to get to know them better. Now it seems like he just wanted to go through certain players phones? Was he looking for evidence of wrongdoing or something? This whole story is completely bizarre and I don't understand a lick of it. I don't know if there was anything to gain per se. It's just a power dynamics move by a raging rear end in a top hat. Why do any of the mean things he does? To demonstrate his power and put others down. He's a bully but also probably some part of him thinks that this is how coaching works. That he needs to be the unassailable leader who puts fear into everyone.
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https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1704129975065219102?t=sGzWcTnt00gOTjvEm3yWOA&s=19 "I didn't want him fired except I did. Also, I like being Mr. Bro with my anal rape metaphors, I'm Biz." Jamwad Hilder posted:I dunno I think he's mostly good at his job. Good drafts, mostly shrewd signings and trades. I seem to remember that he was hailed as some kind of brilliant guy when he was first hired, and he's definitely not that, but he's better than the average GM I think. He was also the GM for the only real period of sustained success in Blue Jackets history (playoffs 5 times in 7 years from 2013-14 to 2019-2020) They missed a sixth playoff spot on a tiebreaker in 2013 (which, ironically but on par for this franchise, Scott Howson was one of the champions for). E for more context- 2014-15 was one of the years where the whole team was dead and, when they were finally healthy, put together a run of like 15-2-3 or something to close out the season. 15-16 was where Richards was fired after 0-7-0, Torts was hired, everyone pointed and laughed, and yet it worked out alright. Nissin Cup Nudist posted:But it wasn't reported until a week or 2 ago. If the story broke immediately and Babcock was out then, Jarmo is probably out of a job Ignore her, you're correct. Ownership, which is very hands off, basically implied this in the aftermath. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Every time more details come out I keep wondering why didn't they tell us that from the start.** Because this has gone to the potentially innocuous "Babcock made everyone share pictures from their phone" to "Babcock told a guy to come over for lunch, flipped through his phone for 10 minutes, then kicked him out without lunch" That also would out that one player speaking out immediately and Babcock was still the coach
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T-Bone posted:Hitting on Jiricek, Johnson, and Fantilli is pretty important, and then you've got Mateychuk who is trending very well, Dumais (3rd rounder, 140 points last year in the Q), Marchenko (2nd rounder, looks like a very good hit), Chinakhov (looks like good value at #21). Cole Sillinger, who I keep forgetting is on the team, having a rebound season would be a big help. Voronkov is said to be a horse in the middle six.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:But it wasn't reported until a week or 2 ago. If the story broke immediately and Babcock was out then, Jarmo is probably out of a job That’s worse. That’s more grounds for firing him. This just happened under him for a couple of months nbd.
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Aphrodite posted:That’s worse. That’s more grounds for firing him. Oh, I agree. But CBJ doesn't want a GM search when camp starts in a couple days
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I'm so behind on this Babcock thing. Just let me know when the True Crime Podcast is released.
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