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2 | 1.06% |
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| Mr. Hands 2x Apple Flavor |
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| War Horse |
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All right. I'm looking for a counter to the "In the past, if there were half a dozen deaths from a trial of a vaccine/drug/etc it was pulled, but they didn't pull the COVID ones even though there were (insert large number here), ergo they are somehow wrong." Cut away all the poo poo and they might still have a few hundred deaths or so. Is the sole answer to this 'This was a vaccine to a pandemic that was actually killing thousands of people when it was fully finished up and rolled out, and hence higher numbers in the 0.01 percent range were acceptable risks as compared to stuff like the swine flu pandemic which killed a grand total of one person', or are there further arguments I could make beyond that that I'm not thinking of?
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Sep 18, 2023 22:56
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It's just math literacy. With hundreds of millions of vaccinations some people are going to die unexpectedly, if you gave 100 million people each a banana some of them would die unexpectedly. The Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines were paused over a side effect that happened like ten times because surveillance was good enough to pick that up.
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Sep 18, 2023 23:39
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Cornwind Evil posted:All right. I'm looking for a counter to the "In the past, if there were half a dozen deaths from a trial of a vaccine/drug/etc it was pulled, but they didn't pull the COVID ones even though there were (insert large number here), ergo they are somehow wrong." Cut away all the poo poo and they might still have a few hundred deaths or so. Well, have they actually provided proof for any of this to begin with? There's no need to come up with a response to a claim that isn't true in the first place. Were there an unusual number of deaths in COVID vaccine trials? I don't know why you're just taking it for granted that they must have something to point to there. Even if people died during the trials, deaths don't necessarily cause the halting of a medical trial. It depends on why the deaths happened, how many deaths there were, how the death rate compares to the control group, and numerous other factors. It also depends on why the trial is being done, what kind of trial it is, what kind of product is being tested, and so on.
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Sep 18, 2023 23:40
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Cornwind Evil posted:All right. I'm looking for a counter to the "In the past, if there were half a dozen deaths from a trial of a vaccine/drug/etc it was pulled, but they didn't pull the COVID ones even though there were (insert large number here), ergo they are somehow wrong." Cut away all the poo poo and they might still have a few hundred deaths or so. The vaccine is endemic now. We have to learn to live with the vaccine. The vaccine has a >99% survival rate.
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Sep 19, 2023 00:16
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Oracle posted:Local Epidemiologist Looked Into Best Times to Get Boosted After Infection/Previous Booster Thanks for this. My brother and his wife are at the tail end of their infection and he's talking about them getting the booster ASAP, so I'm trying to show him evidence against it. He's not an idiot so I hope he'll listen.
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Sep 19, 2023 00:25
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Involuntary Sparkle posted:Thanks for this. My brother and his wife are at the tail end of their infection and he's talking about them getting the booster ASAP, so I'm trying to show him evidence against it. He's not an idiot so I hope he'll listen. Don’t let him waste his shot trying to boost an already boosted immune system.
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Sep 19, 2023 00:48
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Oracle posted:Don’t let him waste his shot trying to boost an already boosted immune system. That's exactly what I've been telling him. I think I've gotten through to him. He's not an idiot, I think his wife is freaking out in general because they both got strep and covid at the same time.
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Sep 19, 2023 03:20
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Got my Pfizer booster this evening. I was one of the last appointments for the day and the location I was at said they’ll be out of dosages tomorrow most likely. Since the vaccine is now commercial they have a much shorter supply on hand at any time (they’re supposed to have 60 the technician told me but that runs out and then they have to wait for the re-up). Also, my insurance dropped the ball and the vaccine was not yet approved though it apparently will be, but I didn’t want to wait since I have travel soon so I just bit the bullet and will need to seek reimbursement later. But, if unsure, you might want to either wait a bit or check with your insurance because the commercial shot is now ~$155.00
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Sep 19, 2023 04:35
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Hello Covid goons. x4 vaxxed with Moderna. I think my last shot was either late last year or very early this year (Nov-Jan? Don’t have my card on me) I heard there’s a very new updated vaccine. I have some questions about it. 1) If I get Moderna #5 within the next few weeks, how do I know it’s the new one? 2) Is there any evidence that the new vaccine is better? Or is most of that benefit just from being a booster rather than a new “calibrated” one? 3) I’m traveling to Europe from the States in December. Is getting the booster now too soon if I want to be sure I’m covered during my vacation? 4) is the state still paying for these or do I have to use my insurance. I don’t mind using it, I just dont want to fight Aetna if they don’t cover it after because covid is over for something.
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Sep 19, 2023 05:07
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buglord posted:4) is the state still paying for these or do I have to use my insurance. I don’t mind using it, I just dont want to fight Aetna if they don’t cover it after because covid is over for something. The covid booster is now commercial and the state is no longer paying for it. You’ll need insurance or to pay out of pocket.
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Sep 19, 2023 05:12
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buglord posted:Hello Covid goons. x4 vaxxed with Moderna. I think my last shot was either late last year or very early this year (Nov-Jan? Don’t have my card on me) 1. The previous vaccines are no longer authorized. If you're getting vaccinated now, it is the new one. 2. The vaccine is probably better against current variants, but even if it wasn't, you're getting boosted, which means that You're better protected than not getting boosted. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2023/what-to-know-about-the-updated-covid-19-vaccine-for-fall/winter-2023 3. It is probably not too soon, but the best protection will be two weeks before you travel. But the other side of it is that you can get sick at any time so you will be forgoing that additional protection now. My terrible luck was getting the first bivalent last September, timed two weeks before going to Europe, and us still getting Covid (first time, too) a few days after landing. 4. There are reports of some insurances denying the boosters because they're being slow. I can't imagine they wouldn't reimburse you, though, since the cost/benefit of vaccines to insurance companies (like free annual check ups) is a smart business decision. Aetna pays for annual flu shots, right?
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Sep 19, 2023 05:20
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FYI the government is still paying for uninsured/under insured vaccines so it should be free to you regardless. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/bridge/index.html
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Sep 19, 2023 05:34
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Cornwind Evil posted:All right. I'm looking for a counter to the "In the past, if there were half a dozen deaths from a trial of a vaccine/drug/etc it was pulled, but they didn't pull the COVID ones even though there were (insert large number here), ergo they are somehow wrong." Cut away all the poo poo and they might still have a few hundred deaths or so. I don't know if this helps but because of how every potential adverse symptom of a vaccine has to be reported during a trial, a noted side effect of one of the COVID vaccines was "getting hit by a car".
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Sep 19, 2023 07:52
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Last posts made me check my insurance info and it’s weird. I was billed about $125 for the Moderna, insurance paid $80. It says I owe $0 because I supposedly paid CVS $45 already but I definitely didn’t. They didn’t ask for anything or take any paperwork from me and let me just walk out right after the shot. They’re gonna send this to collections aren’t they lmao
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Sep 19, 2023 10:24
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Boris Galerkin posted:Last posts made me check my insurance info and it’s weird. I was billed about $125 for the Moderna, insurance paid $80. It says I owe $0 because I supposedly paid CVS $45 already but I definitely didn’t. They didn’t ask for anything or take any paperwork from me and let me just walk out right after the shot. What does your heart tell you
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Sep 19, 2023 14:07
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I did mine yesterday and confirmed that Walgreens has the new shot. Oddly, my Blue Cross didn't cover it, presumably because it's brand new and yesterday was the first day they had it available for appointments. Also confused the tech with my stupid flu shot voucher my company does instead of my insurance just covering my dang flu shot wherever I want to get it. They just put me in as uninsured and moved on, which I'm not a huge fan of, but I guess it bumps the numbers of people getting vaxx'd on the government's dime so they can justify more funding?
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Sep 19, 2023 14:51
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Echophonic posted:I did mine yesterday and confirmed that Walgreens has the new shot. Oddly, my Blue Cross didn't cover it, presumably because it's brand new and yesterday was the first day they had it available for appointments. Also confused the tech with my stupid flu shot voucher my company does instead of my insurance just covering my dang flu shot wherever I want to get it. The Bridge Access Program is for both un- and under-insured (which sounds like your category).
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Sep 19, 2023 15:14
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I don't know if this helps but because of how every potential adverse symptom of a vaccine has to be reported during a trial, a noted side effect of one of the COVID vaccines was "getting hit by a car". To be fair, that’s exactly how I’ve felt after every single one of my 4 shots so far. 24-72 hours of feeling loving awful and wanting to do nothing but sleep. Which really sucks because I have a lot of kid stuff every day. It makes me really not want to get them even though I always do.
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Sep 19, 2023 16:50
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Oracle posted:What does your heart tell you That CVS is eating the $45 and getting their money on volume, and betting that the insurers are so busy that CVS won't get audited for not collecting the copay, and even if they do get caught they won't get punished badly enough for them to care because they were trying to get people vaccinated and that's a Bad Look for the insurer Edit: or using govt programs to reimburse unpaid out of pocket costs
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Sep 19, 2023 17:03
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Devor posted:That CVS is eating the $45 and getting their money on volume, and betting that the insurers are so busy that CVS won't get audited for not collecting the copay, and even if they do get caught they won't get punished badly enough for them to care because they were trying to get people vaccinated and that's a Bad Look for the insurer Wouldn’t it be in their best interest to collect my $45 and also get the $45 from the govt. that’s twice as much money.
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Sep 19, 2023 17:54
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James Garfield posted:if you gave 100 million people each a banana some of them would die unexpectedly. Sounds like we need to recall all bananas until we find out what is going on Nobody in Europe had ever eaten a banana in 1490, and there were zero autism diagnoses then too, coincidence?
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Sep 19, 2023 18:29
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hows covid doing?
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Got the new booster from Pfizer (previously all Moderna) with a side if flu shot since I have a big trade show in two weeks. Side effects are absolutely kicking my rear end, probably the worst since my original #2 shot. I know there's no real correlation between strength of side effects and efficacy, but if there were I'd be very pleased with it.
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Sep 20, 2023 00:54
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VitalSigns posted:Sounds like we need to recall all bananas until we find out what is going on We now have regulations to ensure that banana curviture is within safe limits
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Sep 20, 2023 01:00
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effervescible posted:Got the new booster from Pfizer (previously all Moderna) with a side if flu shot since I have a big trade show in two weeks. Side effects are absolutely kicking my rear end, probably the worst since my original #2 shot. I know there's no real correlation between strength of side effects and efficacy, but if there were I'd be very pleased with it. I’m planning my injection day during the middle of the week so I don’t spend my weekend horribly ill like I did last time.
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Sep 20, 2023 01:04
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effervescible posted:Got the new booster from Pfizer (previously all Moderna) with a side if flu shot since I have a big trade show in two weeks. Side effects are absolutely kicking my rear end, probably the worst since my original #2 shot. I know there's no real correlation between strength of side effects and efficacy, but if there were I'd be very pleased with it. buglord posted:I’m planning my injection day during the middle of the week so I don’t spend my weekend horribly ill like I did last time. I got it Saturday at noon, was doing ok until Saturday evening where I was just a lot more tired than usual. Sunday I was in so much ache and ended up taking 400 mg ibuprofen and slept/stayed in bed the whole day. Was a bit out of it Monday but I’m fine now on Tuesday. Got the Moderna and a flu shot ymmv.
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Sep 20, 2023 01:43
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My second Covid shot (and I believe third) were wicked on me, worse than my two covid infections. The worst was the body aches and what I could only describe as skin aches. Weirdly painful to have clothes on that rubbed against skin, which was most clothes. But I’ll take it over Covid or the risk of long Covid since both reactions were about 24 hours. I just gotta call Aetna and see if these are covered yet and also hope that the rep who confirms it to me is correct. Something I don’t understand is, if these shots give us the ability to transmit 5G signal, wouldn’t that hurt Big Telecom if that means we don’t need Verizon et al for cell service? I thought they’d be working with Big Government.
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Sep 20, 2023 02:28
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Google Butt posted:hows covid doing? Pretty good, thanks for asking. https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1700282023447834898 Luckily I got my first dose of natural immunity a week before my booster appointment.
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Sep 20, 2023 03:25
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eXXon posted:Pretty good, thanks for asking. covid looking healthy these days
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Sep 20, 2023 04:52
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How do these spikes compare to annual flu numbers? I’m guessing still much worse.
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Sep 20, 2023 05:03
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I AM GRANDO posted:How do these spikes compare to annual flu numbers? I’m guessing still much worse. Flu numbers are increasing in the SE but nowhere near putting up these numbers.
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Sep 20, 2023 05:09
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If they'd check waste water for flu, it'd probably be up there
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Sep 20, 2023 05:13
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eXXon posted:Pretty good, thanks for asking. Christ almighty why do I have 0 recollection of Dec 2021 being that nuts? I swear Covid has totally warped my sense of time. I remember moving to Los Angeles in December of 2020, and maybe a few weeks later it made news that EMS didn’t have enough resources to pick up people and hospitals were crazy full.
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Sep 20, 2023 06:00
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buglord posted:Christ almighty why do I have 0 recollection of Dec 2021 being that nuts? I swear Covid has totally warped my sense of time. I remember moving to Los Angeles in December of 2020, and maybe a few weeks later it made news that EMS didn’t have enough resources to pick up people and hospitals were crazy full. 
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Sep 20, 2023 06:23
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I distinctly remember the December 2021 surge because it was caused by everyone seeing the latest Spider-Man movie, and I'm only half-joking.
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Sep 20, 2023 07:23
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buglord posted:Christ almighty why do I have 0 recollection of Dec 2021 being that nuts? I swear Covid has totally warped my sense of time. I remember moving to Los Angeles in December of 2020, and maybe a few weeks later it made news that EMS didn’t have enough resources to pick up people and hospitals were crazy full. The winter 2021/2022 wave absolutely crushed the previous winter in case count due to newer and more transmissible variants (was it Omicron by then?), but largely since a whole lot more people had gotten the vaccine and/or virus already the hospitalization/mortality rate was far lower and peak deaths never reached the winter 2020/2021 high. Virus level tracking would naturally follow cases, and health system stress would track to hospitalizations. 
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Sep 20, 2023 08:18
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buglord posted:Christ almighty why do I have 0 recollection of Dec 2021 being that nuts? I swear Covid has totally warped my sense of time. I remember moving to Los Angeles in December of 2020, and maybe a few weeks later it made news that EMS didn’t have enough resources to pick up people and hospitals were crazy full. Because the actual health impact was less than you'd think based on that chart. It really shows how effective vaccination had been. Even though the wastewater data suggests there were way more infections in Jan 2022 than in Dec 2020, the number of COVID deaths per week was actually higher in Dec 2020 than it was in Jan 2022. And while the number of hospitalizations per week in Jan 2022 did rise beyond the Dec 2020 peak, the spike didn't last nearly as long, so the total number of people hospitalized over the course of the spike was lower.
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Killer robot posted:The winter 2021/2022 wave absolutely crushed the previous winter in case count due to newer and more transmissible variants (was it Omicron by then?) I'm certain it was the omicron wave happening, yeah. I worked at a Covid testing facility between 2021-2022 and that winter was by far the largest spike in cases we saw, and I remember we were all pretty certain it was the omicron strain we were hearing about. We saw increases from the delta variant too (that seemed to start in the summer of 2021) but it wasn't close to that winter's numbers.
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Sep 20, 2023 13:01
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Ventana posted:I'm certain it was the omicron wave happening, yeah. I worked at a Covid testing facility between 2021-2022 and that winter was by far the largest spike in cases we saw, and I remember we were all pretty certain it was the omicron strain we were hearing about. We saw increases from the delta variant too (that seemed to start in the summer of 2021) but it wasn't close to that winter's numbers. Yeah, it was Omicron.  Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106a4.htm
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buglord posted:My second Covid shot (and I believe third) were wicked on me, worse than my two covid infections. The worst was the body aches and what I could only describe as skin aches. Weirdly painful to have clothes on that rubbed against skin, which was most clothes. But I’ll take it over Covid or the risk of long Covid since both reactions were about 24 hours. I just gotta call Aetna and see if these are covered yet and also hope that the rep who confirms it to me is correct. Got the new jab yesterday and I'm having the same thing, got it once before on one of the initial boosters. The entire volume of my body hurts, from my bones out to my skin. Plus the pain in my shoulder where they injected of course. Tylenol helps but woof.
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