Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/ThucydidesCA/status/1703903171306029506

this guy's pretty honest about it

i say swears online posted:

lolling at this Financial Times headline

Justin Trudeau denies trying to provoke India with claims over Sikh leader’s death
Response from Canada’s allies to accusation has been muted

quote:

"I am here today to ask the world to witness the situation in Okinawa," Tamaki told a session of the world body's Human Rights Council, arguing that the concentration of the military bases there threatens peace.

Tamaki, the first Okinawa governor in eight years to address the council, said, "The reclamation work proceeds despite the fact that it was clearly opposed by Okinawan voters in a democratically held referendum."

He spoke during a part of the session that was allocated for a Japanese nongovernmental organization.

Under the bilateral agreement, the Japanese government is proceeding with work to relocate the U.S. Marine Corps Air Station Futenma from a densely populated area in Ginowan to a new facility being built in a coastal area in Nago, both on Okinawa Island, despite staunch local opposition.

Tamaki has sought to drum up international support as he struggles to prevent the relocation plan, saying the island prefecture hosts 70% of all the U.S. military bases in Japan while accounting for only 0.6% of the country's total land area.

Earlier this month, however, Japan's Supreme Court turned down his government's appeal against the central government's order related to carrying out necessary landfill work.

Orange Devil posted:

Does the Philippines also celebrate Spain or is this ex-colonizer special?

stephenthinkpad posted:

https://twitter.com/business/status/1704174229170589827?t=WIHAXShL_5pMmRd07X4tVQ&s=19

(Nobody in the comment believes her)

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://voice.gov.au/

Lol this seems to be freaking out aussies online

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Voting 'no' will make people think the country isn't ready for pro-Indigenous constitutional change so either way the movement for actual recognition & empowerment is pushed back. They're hosed whatever the result.

The Voice is just more succlib "better things aren't possible" decorum bullshit where they create endless successive committees and white papers and advisory panels rather than do anything with actual substance. Parliament created the 2012 Expert Panel on Recognising Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples in the Constitution and the 2013 Joint Select Committee on Constitutional Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples which lead to the creation of the Referendum Council advisory group in 2015 which lead to the First Nations National Constitutional Convention advisory group in 2017 which published the Uluru Statement From The Heart recommending the Indigenous Voice to Parliament advisory group which Turnbull rejected but then the Morrison government set up a Senior Advisory Group to create a "non-constitutional Indigenous voice co-design process" in 2019 and then the Albanese government announced they were going to bring it to referendum, and so on and so forth ......

The real annoying part is that if they're going to all the trouble to call a referendum they could have made it about an actual treaty, or even have it about the Voice and a treaty as well. There's plenty of referendums in Australia's past which covered several issues at the same time. Unfortunately the Referendum Council way back in 2017 recommended that "constitutional and extra-constitutional recognition are modest, reasonable, unifying and capable of attracting the necessary support of the Australian people" so the entire process was about "modest" and "non-divisive" recognition instead of actual change even before the Uluru Statement.

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I think the issue here is that there's two distinct layers when talking about No and Yes.

The mainstream Yes and No campaigns are both forms of nationalism, one is the typical white supremacist bloc featuring Pauline Hanson, Jacinta Price, and their lot while the other is a more 'modern' version of team Australia supported by the Business Council of Australia, Rio Tinto, and the ALP. The From the Heart grouping even has a former political advisor to Boris Johnson on its board.

Something to genuinely reckon with is that the mainstream Yes campaign has won overwhelming support from white liberals who see constitutional recognition as a nice thing, which is why the right of the Greens has split from the formal position with the South Australian branch announcing it will support Yes even if the Greens support No (my impression at present is that the NSW branch at least will campaign for No if nothing changes).

Then there are the Yes and No camps that play out amongst Blak peoples. This is not to deny Jacinta Price's race as a No campaigner, but her position isn't based on why many elders and nations have decided to oppose the Voice referendum. The No camp amongst Blak peoples is quite significant and is arguing a progressive line of self-determination cohered around stopping the referendum before it happens. The Gomeroi and Wiradjuri nations in NSW seems broadly against, for example, and the Tasmanian Land Council chair has committed to supporting No even if it goes to the ballot. These are also the people who turn out to support rallies for trans rights, or fights against CSG.

The position as explained to me is that this camp opposes any constitutional recognition unless the government can demonstrate in practice that they believe sovereignty was never ceded, and it's the fact that the call for Voice is requiring constitutional recognition that is the sticking point. My impression is that while people in this camp would call the voice tokenistic that it would not be a flashpoint if it were legislated - there are plenty of advisory boards that haven't gotten this kind of pushback. This descends from the very strong and majority opposition by mob to Recognise (despite white support) that we all probably remember.

The Yes camp amongst mob mostly seem motivated by a pessimism where by the Voice itself is not a negative, and there is a strong concern that this is the best that they can get from white people. That they need an advisory board to take the next step, and constitutional recognition is the price to pay since many of them were opponents of constitutional recognition prior but they don't want to risk getting nothing. Perhaps they are right in the sense that white liberals are not particularly inspiring, and if Albanese doesn't get his landmark reform he may give up entirely on doing anything.

This makes it a bit messier when people argue that supporting No is supporting the racists. I very much doubt the racists could organise a national day of action criticising the Voice, and I also don't think the role of socialists should be to see our role as reluctantly picking between two visions of nationalism as if the resistance to said nationalism does not exist. I think those arguing for self-determination, and that the referendum should not come to be voted on as is deserve our solidarity and that means being open to voting No if Blak militants run a left wing No campaign.

The other element that is being forgotten is that at present the referendum still needs the support of either Liberals or the Greens before it will pass. It seems like Lidia Thorpe is acting on instructions from Elders in her nation group and if the Greens back stab Lidia and pass a referendum anyway then it's a bad thing. Alternatively if Labor win Dutton's support to get the referendum happening, and sidelines the Greens, then socialists would be put in a strange position of insisting on Yes to whatever Albanese and Dutton cook up and campaigning alongside the Libs for constitutional recognition.

The scenario is not so simple as the ACP image, but it's certainly not so neat as presented in the discussion either. At present I'm thinking I'll vote No since it's most likely to be an Albanese-Dutton push for constitutional recognition funded by mining corporations with substantial opposition from the people who organise the protests we all attend.

i say swears online posted:

lolling at this Financial Times headline

Justin Trudeau denies trying to provoke India with claims over Sikh leader’s death
Response from Canada’s allies to accusation has been muted

mila kunis posted:

lol cucked by our own allies

mila kunis posted:

lol cucked by our own allies

stephenthinkpad posted:

(Nobody in the comment believes her)

AnimeIsTrash posted:

i bet there are some "fun" videos out there of canadian politicians trying to pronounce nijjar

yellowcar posted:

one of them dropped the n-bomb lol

yellowcar posted:

one of them dropped the n-bomb lol

stephenthinkpad posted:

I checked the Canadian religious breakdown, the Hindu and the Sikhs take up 1.6% and 1.5% respectively. So the Shik population are almost as big as the Canadian Hindus. I don't know how to check Indian muslim number.

I can't find the party leaning of each religion group either, I don't know if Canada does such survey. But I suspect the Sikhs are pro LPC and Hindus are pro conservative.

Frosted Flake posted:

The leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition did

PawParole posted:

even the RSS is going woke

Zedhe Khoja posted:

the dorm stuff kinda sucks, but miles ahead of most textile factories.

GlassEye-Boy posted:

the Dorm stuff is regulated by the government, it's mandatory for every manufacturing facility provide either onsite or offsite housing. Typically to accommodate workers who moved from the countryside who can't afford rental housing.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

mila kunis posted:

Unacceptable. With friends like these, who needs enemies? Canada must immediately leave these useless western alliances and join hands with our natural ally across the Pacific, the only country standing up to the Indian menace: the People's Republic of China

mila kunis posted:

Unacceptable. With friends like these, who needs enemies? Canada must immediately leave these useless western alliances and join hands with our natural ally across the Pacific, the only country standing up to the Indian menace: the People's Republic of China

DiscountDildos posted:

https://twitter.com/katiadoyl/status/1704546751175127490?s=20

Lol hilarious that they gave this dipshit the position in the first place.

quote:

A spokesperson for Emanuel disputed NBC News’ report, calling it “absolutely not true.”

OhFunny posted:

lmfao if he's going to try and post through it.