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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

I thought they removed the ability for an iPad to be a Home hub back in iOS 16?

It's a horrible idea to have a battery-operated device be the hub for all your devices and automations anyway, so that was a good change.

If your iPad is stuck on iOS 15 or older, it used to work. You just couldn't upgrade to the new HomeKit framework. Also a lot of people (me included), moved their oldest iPad as photo frame/homekit gateway so it's not that weird as scenario. My secondary ipad is connected 14 hours of the day or more to power.

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toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Has anyone played with CasaOS?

https://casaos.io/

I came across it recently and it seems interesting.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

SlowBloke posted:

If your iPad is stuck on iOS 15 or older, it used to work. You just couldn't upgrade to the new HomeKit framework. Also a lot of people (me included), moved their oldest iPad as photo frame/homekit gateway so it's not that weird as scenario. My secondary ipad is connected 14 hours of the day or more to power.

I have an iPad Air 2 that's stuck on iOS 15 and every time I touch it, I want to throw it in the garbage :v: They let that one get a couple years of iOS updates that it shouldn't have.

Scruff McGruff
Feb 13, 2007

Jesus, kid, you're almost a detective. All you need now is a gun, a gut, and three ex-wives.

toplitzin posted:

Has anyone played with CasaOS?

https://casaos.io/

I came across it recently and it seems interesting.

I haven't used it myself but I caught TechnoTim's video on it a couple months back and it seems like a good option for someone that doesn't want to have to learn docker up front to start running containerized apps. It's basically an open source version of Synology or unRAID's container UI and "app store" which is one of the best things about both those products. If you just need the apps and not the NAS stuff then it should work great, makes sense why it ships preloaded on the ZimaBoard.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.

Scruff McGruff posted:

I haven't used it myself but I caught TechnoTim's video on it a couple months back and it seems like a good option for someone that doesn't want to have to learn docker up front to start running containerized apps. It's basically an open source version of Synology or unRAID's container UI and "app store" which is one of the best things about both those products. If you just need the apps and not the NAS stuff then it should work great, makes sense why it ships preloaded on the ZimaBoard.

When I was looking at Pi projects during COVID, the Pi prices were just outrageous.

Researching led me to pick up an old HP Xeon workstation, I have invested like $400 into it...



You can't make this think break a sweat at anything, I have never even heart the fans spin up or come even remotely close to taking the memory, CPU, even when doing stuff like encoding video. I don't even have a keyboard or mouse attached to it, 100% Chrome Remote Desktop, there is like zero overhead from CRD.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
Holy goddamn HA's dashbard stuff is god awful.

My recent thing is trying to set up an old tablet to put up in the kitchen for "public use." Got a nice little POS/desk holder stand that swivels and tilts and whatnot.

But gently caress me, trying to get the cards to layout in a predictable way is infuriating. I mean I've always known this was an issue, but this is the first time I've really done a deep dive on it to try to make something nice.

I'm using the layout-card frontend thing from HACS and it's kind of helpful to somewhat keep things under control via the CSS Grid layout feature. But even so, it seems like the cards all just want to do their own thing. You can assign it a grid location and sometimes it'll take up the space you give it, but some cards will just refuse to cooperate and will take up whatever drat space they feel like taking.

The hard part is the rendering difference between my browser and the tablet... I guess mobile devices have their own ideas of how CSS should behave, so I'm finding that I have to basically design this dashboard specifically for the tablet in question and hard code stuff. Even then stuff just... goes wherever. Now I know next to nothing about CSS, but I'm finding that even with all these tools it's really difficult to control things.

I love HA for the most part but drat, this is really sucky. Getting real annoyed that I can't just say, "this card should be at X,Y and be of size HxW." At least then I could hard code things and be done with it, drat the consequences. But no...

edit:

So first, I'm pretty sure I have found stuff that lets you screw with a card's HxW, I just haven't explored that much yet, and I'm not sure how well it applies to custom cards. Cursory research indicates it's not as straight forward as it seems.

But what annoys me is that the prevailing opinion on HA (at least from the developers) seems to be is that the dashboards are supposed to be device-agnostic and the cards are supposed to be able to shuffle around to adjust for whatever size screen you viewing from.

Like yeah that's great and all, but... that's not the real world. And the side effect is that they seem to push this philosophy so much as to exclude the ability to design for a specific target device without extensive customization. A lot of the stuff I seem to come across when people ask for help is, "Well you can do <thing>, but it won't render nice on other devices." Yup, I know, and I don't care, but I do care that you're making it so difficult.

DaveSauce fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Sep 20, 2023

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


There's an add-on on for much nicer dashboards I have been loving with. Let me get to a real PC and I'll update this with more info. It might also be in my post history on my most recent "how do dashboards" post.

Edit:

This one is tailored for a mobile/tablet dashboard. (I have a Galaxy Tab A7 with Kiosk as a control pad, so relevant to my interests/guest use)
https://theawesomegarage.com/blog/responsive-home-assistant-dashboard-for-mobile-tablet-and-desktop

My first pass:


Its this plugin: https://github.com/thomasloven/lovelace-layout-card

toplitzin fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Sep 20, 2023

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!
I've been able to do most everything in the HA dashboard with grids. Lots of grids. Grids within grids.



Works fine on a mobile device touchscreen, other than the sliders on the lights being a little too small to manipulate easily. I create automations for common activities so I rarely have to worry about it.

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug

WhiteHowler posted:

I've been able to do most everything in the HA dashboard with grids. Lots of grids. Grids within grids.

This is the secret. What I see on my desktop is almost identical to what I see on my tablet with the app.

I also divided everything into multiple tabs which helps declutters things.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.

Yeah this is the thing I've been using. I'm finding that many cards just... are their own size. They refuse to get any bigger or smaller past a certain point, so I end up with some cards that leave a bunch of dead space, and other cards that blow past the intended boundaries.

calandryll posted:

This is the secret.

I got that far at least. One other problem I'm encountering is that some cards like to change size... like media player things will get bigger when something is playing and then shrink when not, which throws off everything else.

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug

DaveSauce posted:

Yeah this is the thing I've been using. I'm finding that many cards just... are their own size. They refuse to get any bigger or smaller past a certain point, so I end up with some cards that leave a bunch of dead space, and other cards that blow past the intended boundaries.

I got that far at least. One other problem I'm encountering is that some cards like to change size... like media player things will get bigger when something is playing and then shrink when not, which throws off everything else.

I don't use a lot of media player things so maybe that's why it works for me. I've been wanting to add a bunch of stuff but unsure if my wife would want to use HA setup for controlling things.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
haha what the hell

Not at home so I don't have a picture, but I was trying to put a button on a dashboard for activating a commonly-used light scene. The button comes in as absolutely ginormous. It's taking up WAY more space than it has any right to. Like it's trying to be nearly 1/4 the screen size on a 1280x800 tablet.

Find out that the problem is I need to manually change the size of the icon. Because the default icon size is (apparently?) hard coded and by god it'll take up that space come hell or high water, and the system refuses to scale the icon size down to match the space that the button is allowed.

I think I'm finally coming to terms with this and working around stuff... but it's such a PITA. Not clear if the button had a default pixel size, or if it had a relative size that just didn't play well with being nested inside a card, I dunno.

On the plus side, I did find a "swipe" add-on in HACS that lets you swipe between views on a dashboard, instead of pressing the button on top, so that's kinda cool and vastly increases usability :toot:

super late edit:

jfc this is a struggle:



Layout-grid using CSS grid with:

code:
      grid-template-columns: 40% auto
      grid-template-rows: 160px 150px 150px auto
      grid-template-areas: |
        "weather clock"
        "weather doors"
        "weather lights"
        "weather music"
Weather is a vertical stack and doors and lights are horizontal stacks.

Not... precisely what I wanted. But it's getting there, slowly but surely.

DaveSauce fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Sep 22, 2023

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCR7M9KX/

Amazon is doing a smart home splinter of their Echo that looks really good.

I have been really happy with my Google setup, but Google seems to have completely lost interest as they are wont to do and are actually removing features from their smart displays after killing off their party ones entirely.

fletcher
Jun 27, 2003

ken park is my favorite movie

Cybernetic Crumb

Three Olives posted:



https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCR7M9KX/

Amazon is doing a smart home splinter of their Echo that looks really good.

I have been really happy with my Google setup, but Google seems to have completely lost interest as they are wont to do and are actually removing features from their smart displays after killing off their party ones entirely.

If it's anything like the Echo Show, they are probably just going to use this thing as a way to slip advertisements into your vision. The only reason I got an Echo Show is for voice assistant, and to see a slideshow of my cat pictures on my desk.

I can't wait to get rid of all my Amazon Echo devices and use Home Assistant for voice control. I think the dashboard things are cool but I don't really see myself using it if voice control is available. Maybe seeing video upon doorbell press would be nice, can't think of anything else though.

I just need a good standalone voice device now, some sort of open source but not totally DIY echo dot would be nice.

smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

Google Home seems fine. What things did they get rid of?

My only complaint about my Google (plus Smartthings and Hue) ecosystem is I can't "hey Google" a volume change across a whole speaker group, which is kind of silly.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.

smoobles posted:

Google Home seems fine. What things did they get rid of?

My only complaint about my Google (plus Smartthings and Hue) ecosystem is I can't "hey Google" a volume change across a whole speaker group, which is kind of silly.

Multi-room audio keeps getting hosed up by Sonos rulings, they removed third-party assistant support, they are about to remove Zoom and kneecap Meet.

FunOne
Aug 20, 2000
I am a slimey vat of concentrated stupidity

Fun Shoe

smoobles posted:

Google Home seems fine. What things did they get rid of?

My only complaint about my Google (plus Smartthings and Hue) ecosystem is I can't "hey Google" a volume change across a whole speaker group, which is kind of silly.

Google Home is a tire fire. It can't reliably play my music, it wants to chat, it can't answer questions reliably, etc.

What's the weather today?
-answer- BY THE WAY DID YOU ALSO KNOW......

Ok, play the New Pornographers
Playing New Pornographers Video Best Of Playlist from YouTube

gently caress, play Johanne Sebastian Bach
Ok, playing Bach
(Plays Tchaikovsky)

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007

smoobles posted:

Google Home seems fine. What things did they get rid of?

My only complaint about my Google (plus Smartthings and Hue) ecosystem is I can't "hey Google" a volume change across a whole speaker group, which is kind of silly.

This seems like an extremely easy task for home assistant.

Also, with google home’s newer scripting automation platform you should be able to code a command that does this. It’ll be more manual in setup, but should easily be possible.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

By

Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib

FunOne posted:

Google Home is a tire fire. It can't reliably play my music, it wants to chat, it can't answer questions reliably, etc.

What's the weather today?
-answer- BY THE WAY DID YOU ALSO KNOW......

Ok, play the New Pornographers
Playing New Pornographers Video Best Of Playlist from YouTube

gently caress, play Johanne Sebastian Bach
Ok, playing Bach
(Plays Tchaikovsky)

Or echos do the same poo poo.

Currently, if I say "Alexa, play pop music", it plays a playlist called mega pop which is... Spanish pop music. Not ideal, and not an uncommon command. I just ask for a pop artist instead and it'll play "whoever and related artists on Amazon music"

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
Once asked Google to play Queen.

It started playing speeches by Queen Elizabeth.

Our dog is a Welsh Corgi, and you better believe that he stood at attention.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Can anyone recommend an outdoor-rated, zigbee-controlled type-B outlet? Or, alternately, a low-profile one that will fit into an existing protective enclosure?

Problem description: I have a birdbath with a heater that keeps it liquid through the winter. I want it to be automatically controlled based on exterior temperature rather than needing to manually plug and unplug it, especially in the spring and fall where we're getting temperature swings of >20°/day. At the moment it plugs into an exterior GFCI outlet recessed into the back wall of the house, and covered in a little protective clamshell that folds shut leaving a hole at the bottom for the cables.

I have Zigbee outlet dongles (these sonoff ones), but they're too wide to fit into the recess in the wall. Local stores sell some outdoor-rated smart plugs but they're all wifi + cloud services rather than locally controlled. Something with this form factor would probably work well, but I'm not about to buy from Amazon, especially not in the "five identical listings with different brand names" genre.


What are you using for those weather forecast cards? They're a lot nicer than the default.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

ToxicFrog posted:

Can anyone recommend an outdoor-rated, zigbee-controlled type-B outlet? Or, alternately, a low-profile one that will fit into an existing protective enclosure?

Problem description: I have a birdbath with a heater that keeps it liquid through the winter. I want it to be automatically controlled based on exterior temperature rather than needing to manually plug and unplug it, especially in the spring and fall where we're getting temperature swings of >20°/day. At the moment it plugs into an exterior GFCI outlet recessed into the back wall of the house, and covered in a little protective clamshell that folds shut leaving a hole at the bottom for the cables.

I have Zigbee outlet dongles (these sonoff ones), but they're too wide to fit into the recess in the wall. Local stores sell some outdoor-rated smart plugs but they're all wifi + cloud services rather than locally controlled. Something with this form factor would probably work well, but I'm not about to buy from Amazon, especially not in the "five identical listings with different brand names" genre.

I'm not sure I've ever seen this type of heater without a thermostat built in to it already. Are you sure it doesn't have that?

Also, freeze thermostats plug throughs are common and like $12 pretty much anywhere that sells ag stuff. Not sure why you would want to overcomplicate this.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Motronic posted:

I'm not sure I've ever seen this type of heater without a thermostat built in to it already. Are you sure it doesn't have that?

Also, freeze thermostats plug throughs are common and like $12 pretty much anywhere that sells ag stuff. Not sure why you would want to overcomplicate this.

I can't find anything like that at the local ag shops :shrug: maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places/using the wrong search terms? That would be a lot simpler.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

ToxicFrog posted:

I can't find anything like that at the local ag shops :shrug: maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places/using the wrong search terms? That would be a lot simpler.

"Freeze stat" and "thermostatically controlled plug" are good starting points to find one the right shape/size for what you need.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/farm-innovators-thermostatically-controlled-outlet

https://www.amazon.com/Add-A-Stat-T...tection&sr=8-16

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.

ToxicFrog posted:

What are you using for those weather forecast cards? They're a lot nicer than the default.

The top left is "Clock Weather Card" and the bottom left is "Hourly Weather Card," both I found in HACS. Working well for at-a-glance weather info so far.

Done some rearranging, looks a bit nicer now:



Screenshot off web browser instead of a screenshot from the tablet... but it's nearly the same. Renders a bit different, but oh well.

Actually disabled the "clock" portion of the weather card because it wasn't big enough... part of the intent is to make it a replacement for a clock with additional functionality. Also helps when cooking.

The windows/doors are groups, and if any door/window in the group is open it turns red. Tapping them goes to the respective view for details. The lights are the normal entities card... the door/window cards are Mushroom cards, but Mushroom Light card doesn't support groups and the Mushroom Entities card doesn't have a header for the scenes so :shrug:

MyQ is apparently loving around with their API so it's broken for everyone right now I guess... some people have worked around it, but I haven't bothered since it's not really critical for me... I have a separate sensor on the garage door from before I got a new opener. I'll wait until an official fix, or I'll get a local solution if I have to.

Still not exactly where I want it, but getting closer every day. Also still mad that things don't align the way I want them to... but it is what it is. Not sure I care at the moment.

DaveSauce fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Sep 29, 2023

Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe

DaveSauce posted:

The top left is "Clock Weather Card" and the bottom left is "Hourly Weather Card," both I found in HACS. Working well for at-a-glance weather info so far.

Done some rearranging, looks a bit nicer now:



Screenshot off web browser instead of a screenshot from the tablet... but it's nearly the same. Renders a bit different, but oh well.

Actually disabled the "clock" portion of the weather card because it wasn't big enough... part of the intent is to make

The windows/doors are groups, and if any door/window in the group is open it turns red. Tapping them goes to the respective view for details. The lights are the normal entities card... the door/window cards are Mushroom cards, but Mushroom Light card doesn't support groups and the Mushroom Entities card doesn't have a header for the scenes so :shrug:

MyQ is apparently loving around with their API so it's broken for everyone right now I guess... some people have worked around it, but I haven't bothered since it's not really critical for me... I have a separate sensor on the garage door from before I got a new opener. I'll wait until an official fix, or I'll get a local solution if I have to.

Still not exactly where I want it, but getting closer every day. Also still mad that things don't align the way I want them to... but it is what it is. Not sure I care at the moment.

Nice! I haven't dug into the dashboard functionality. What are you using for the "if door is open turn the group red"? I don't have all my door sensors in a group yet.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
Turning it red when open is part of the Mushroom Entities card, which you can get from HACS. You can pick what color it changes to.

And really all that card is doing is reading the state of the group object, which is inherent in the group itself... you can make behave as an OR or an AND function of the state of all its members.

IUG
Jul 14, 2007


DaveSauce posted:

MyQ is apparently loving around with their API so it's broken for everyone right now I guess...

Ah, that’s why I couldn’t have Siri close my garage door earlier.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

IUG posted:

Ah, that’s why I couldn’t have Siri close my garage door earlier.

This is why from time to time I beat the drum of my local only approach to home automation. It's absolutely possible these days.

Gyshall
Feb 24, 2009

Had a couple of drinks.
Saw a couple of things.
I run my myq through homekit w home assistant, all local after the initial setup

RoboBoogie
Sep 18, 2008
I've moved a water leak sensor from its original location a long time ago and now its telling me there is a water leak.

I forgot where i placed it

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


lol you didn’t change it’s place in the app when you moved it? That sucks but also hilarious.

bobfather
Sep 20, 2001

I will analyze your nervous system for beer money

RoboBoogie posted:

I've moved a water leak sensor from its original location a long time ago and now its telling me there is a water leak.

I forgot where i placed it

Does it not also have an audible alarm? Mine (Linkind Zigbee) are pretty noisy.

Macichne Leainig
Jul 26, 2012

by VG
I'd check where the water is coming from OP

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
Pro tip, If you plan to send your thermostat to netatmo for repairs, you will want to remove any additional valve beforehand. I followed the docs and left them as is and it's been two days of me getting kicked in the dick trying to link them back to the relay.

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Oct 15, 2023

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

Is there a good HomeKit scene controller for controlling a multi speed fan/dimmable light? Or at least something that is compatible with homebridge? Trying to get a better quality switch for my ceiling fan, the oem remote is kind of flimsy. Not looking for something that controls the in wall fan wires directly, it is hardwired and the remote is Bluetooth. The fan interfaces with HomeKit via WiFi and homebridge.

Hungry Squirrel
Jun 30, 2008

You gonna eat that?
I'm happy to be pointed to posts that already answer my questions; I tried but I don't know enough to effectively search the forum.

I'm moving. I want a security system. I definitely want exterior motion-detect cameras and a doorbell camera, but I don't know what other accessories are reasonable or overkill. Window alarms? Shatter alarms? Water / temperature alarms? Smoke / CO2 detectors are probably smart. I do want text notifications of alerts. I don't mind paying a monthly fee if necessary. I don't need it to auto-call the police; I'd actually rather it not do that so there aren't false-alarm problems. No pets, so indoor motion cameras would not be too problematic, but the kid wants to get a cat so that may be a future issue. But, do I even need indoor cameras if I have exterior alarms?

The main local provider is ADT. I'm fine with Nest or Ring, but I want something that I don't have to babysit or think too much about. Plug-and-play and idiot-proof is best.

What do you suggest?

EDIT that I expect most of the house IOT (lights, turn on/off the TV, not sure what else) will be run by Alexa.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

Well, apparently Chamberlain/myQ are loving dicks and purposely broke their API that the myQ Homebridge plugin uses for their garage door openers. They're allegedly implementing their own HomeKit solution, which I'm sure won't be locked behind a monthly subscription. The coming from same company who tried charging monthly for you to use IFTTT.

Of course, I installed a pair of myQ openers 18 months ago and have been using the Homebridge plugin this whole time. Now I have to drop $100 on a couple Meross MSG100HK modules to regain the exact same functionality back, minus having to use Homebridge.

Dicks.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
IIRC the MyQ fuckery has been known about for a while, with active attempts to constantly change the API to break 3rd party reverse engineering for years now, but the recent debacle has been quite a thing. I hadn't been following it closely, but I found this post:

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/the-current-state-of-myq-from-the-codeowner/630623

Basically the culprit is supposedly bot detection on cloudflare, but there's positively zero impetus for MyQ to fix it and allow HA or other things to work around it, and it's likely that this is simply used as a way to block things without having to rewrite their API periodically.

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Now I have to drop $100 on a couple Meross MSG100HK modules to regain the exact same functionality back, minus having to use Homebridge.

Dicks.

The internet tells me this is the way to go:

https://paulwieland.github.io/ratgdo/

I haven't gone down that route yet since it's really not all that important to me, but might. It's way cheaper.

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MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Hungry Squirrel posted:


EDIT that I expect most of the house IOT (lights, turn on/off the TV, not sure what else) will be run by Alexa.

I’d go with ring I that case. It’s dead simple to setup and maintain

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