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fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

NihilCredo posted:

i vote for 'use elm'. echinopsis, you're making a clicker game for fun and learning. fun and learning is exactly what elm is suitable for and does very well

you'll never use elm for actual pays-the-bills stuff (and you shouldn't), but the experience of setting up a clean finite state machine, covering every possible edge case whether you like it or not, and then binding it to a view is invaluable

yep

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:37

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# ? May 23, 2024 06:41

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

what I don't find compelling about elm is that I don't know anything about it

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:43

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

that code is a crime!!! lol

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:45

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

I really wish I can learn to use something like a dictionary. there are functions in that code that exist to act like a dictionary, they take a string and then I loop through every item in the array searching for a match for the string, and return some bullshit. it feels like a tragic solution to what feels like it should have a much simpler solution

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:48

my homie dhall: Dec 9, 2010; honey, oh please, it's just a machine

what you really need is a finite state machine and algebraic data types mate

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:52

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

my homie dhall posted:

what you really need is a finite state machine and algebraic data types mate

been saying this

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:54

mystes: May 31, 2006

You could just use typescript but maybe elm isn't actually a bad idea because it will force you to do some stuff correctly

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:57

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

or use purescript ftw

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:57

mystes: May 31, 2006

Don't encourage self harm

# ? Sep 21, 2023 13:58

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

my homie dhall posted:

what you really need is a finite state machine and algebraic data types mate

wtf ok imma boot up wikipedia and read some mf words

# ? Sep 21, 2023 14:09

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

mystes posted:

You could just use typescript but maybe elm isn't actually a bad idea because it will force you to do some stuff correctly

�doing stuff correctly� here means �having fun writing it� I think

someone else is making a game in JS too: https://youtu.be/m8SmXOTM8Ec?si=doqLt-ikHrXF2jUR

# ? Sep 21, 2023 14:21

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

echinopsis posted:

every time I dive back into this I have to half rel-earn js

tbf having programmed professionally for 20 years this more or less remains standard operating procedure when i switch back into something after a break. you'll learn it 10x faster this, and eventually fast enough that it isn't *that* distinguishable from knowing.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 14:22

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

turns out knowing the right way to build an app doesn't give you any more motivation to write the code

if anything, knowing the chore ahead is a good deterrent

# ? Sep 21, 2023 14:57

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

tef posted:

turns out knowing the right way to build an app doesn't give you any more motivation to write the code

if anything, knowing the chore ahead is a good deterrent

back when i was contributing to elm, i had a good working thing w/ a computer science nerd where i (self taught hobbyist who had a lot of ideas) would write a bunch of bad code that basically worked, and then that guy (computer science nerd who had no ideas) would simply rewrite all my stuff the Correct Way

# ? Sep 21, 2023 15:02

crazypenguin: Mar 9, 2005; nothing witty here, move along

Sagacity posted:

hdym

it was started in 2018, there have been a ton of previews, how is this "it's here"?

oh, my mistake.

I just assumed I would have noticed, but it seems its been in preview since java 19 a year ago and I hadn't noticed

# ? Sep 21, 2023 15:49

rjmccall: Sep 7, 2007; no worries friend; Fun Shoe

lol i posted this in the bwm thread

i wouldn�t say that java is just doing the hip new thing. if anything, i think that would be async/await. instead, they�re taking a strong stance of committing to their older, arguably simpler programming model by trying to make threads more scalable

the �some weird thing blocked an os thread and our perf cratered / we deadlocked� problem is inevitable. os threads are a precious resource, and it sucks to block them. any technology that tries to create scalable concurrency will involve m-n scheduling and will be susceptible to the problem. and if you deliberately don�t build that into the language, people will build libraries to pool your non-scalable concurrency primitives, and those pools will be susceptible to the problem. java�s opt-in approach for their scalable threads seems like a reasonable, conservative way to introduce the tech into the system without forcing problems on people

i�m still not sure it�s the best thing overall, but I understand it

# ? Sep 21, 2023 17:25

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

echinopsis posted:

every time I dive back into this I have to half rel-earn js

echi try this poo poo out, you might like it:
https://www.executeprogram.com/courses/modern-javascript

it teaches some of the nicer stuff that has become available in all browsers (and been available for quite a while at this point) and it does spaced recall testing so that you can learn a thing and have it reinforced.

it's also a nice way to give some money to the guy who made the "javascript wat" presentation, if you want the premium account

# ? Sep 21, 2023 17:57

crazypenguin: Mar 9, 2005; nothing witty here, move along

(what's the bwm thread?)

yeah, I'm not disputing they probably chose right for java, but their proposal for it was basically "babby's first criticism of async/await" followed by "there are no problems ~~in Ba Sing Se~~ with green threads!"

the first one irked me, the second has me really suspicious. "pretend the problems don't exist" isn't usually a good engineering strategy.

That could have been irrational exuberance with the initial proposal, but the final JEP still has threads getting pinned and blocked with no real options presented for dealing with it. (Despite there being a solution for IO blocking seemingly hidden away inside the runtime.)

# ? Sep 21, 2023 18:01

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

bwm = bad with money:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3878671

# ? Sep 21, 2023 18:08

rjmccall: Sep 7, 2007; no worries friend; Fun Shoe

crazypenguin posted:

(what's the bwm thread?)

the bad with money thread in bfc, which you can find by searching the entire forums for a thread with a million posts that doesn�t have �bad with money� in the title

(it actually is in bfc atm, currently called �bulbs worth millions�)

# ? Sep 21, 2023 18:10

Dijkstracula: Mar 18, 2003; You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

my assumption is that java's new green threads are being pushed exclusively by low-latency hedge funds with deep pockets to drive JEPs, which is not inherently a bad thing but does mean that it might not be a general solution for everyone

prisoner of waffles posted:

echi try this poo poo out, you might like it:
https://www.executeprogram.com/courses/modern-javascript

oh nice, I wondered what gary bernhardt was up to these days

# ? Sep 21, 2023 18:19

Sagacity: May 2, 2003; Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.

the project loom stuff was built because java did not want to adopt async/await since it requires a completely different ecosystem next to your regular ecosystem, like in other languages

in some ways this has already happened in java too, with the god awful reactive programming libraries that have popped up

what loom enables users to do is to simply take an application like netty, which serves network requests using an ordinary thread pool, and have it use a green thread pool instead, where it suddenly handles (tens of) thousands of requests per second

# ? Sep 21, 2023 19:04

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

itym jetty

netty is the one where it's all non-blocking and you write network applications as if you were performing interrupt-driven i2c transactions on a bare-metal microcontroller, pounding nails into your dick in black-and-white infomercial hellworld while screaming at the heavens that there has got to be a better way!!

# ? Sep 21, 2023 19:11

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

also i'm a filthy pervert who loves writing bare-metal interrupt-driven i2c drivers in c, it gets me really hot and bothered

please pay me six figgies to do it. rust is for cowards and c++ is revolting. only c.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 19:14

Armitag3: Mar 15, 2020; Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.

Sapozhnik posted:

also i'm a filthy pervert who loves writing bare-metal interrupt-driven i2c drivers in c, it gets me really hot and bothered

please pay me six figgies to do it. rust is for cowards and c++ is revolting. only c.

don't get addicted to SIGs, kids

# ? Sep 21, 2023 19:15

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

prisoner of waffles posted:

echi try this poo poo out, you might like it:
https://www.executeprogram.com/courses/modern-javascript

it teaches some of the nicer stuff that has become available in all browsers (and been available for quite a while at this point) and it does spaced recall testing so that you can learn a thing and have it reinforced.

it's also a nice way to give some money to the guy who made the "javascript wat" presentation, if you want the premium account

thankyou very much this looks good and is something achievable

# ? Sep 21, 2023 20:30

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

echinopsis posted:

JavaScript code:

// struct for accumulated data (I expect to add more as time goes on)
function structOfGameState(state, numberTimesCommitted, datetimeCrimeWillEnd, datetimeCrimeStarted) {
    // state refers to where the crime is at
    // 0 = ready to run
    // 1 = running
    // 2 = completed but haven't collected resources
    // 3 = unavailable (need more noto)
    this.state = state;
    this.numberTimesCommitted = numberTimesCommitted;
    this.datetimeCrimeWillEnd = datetimeCrimeWillEnd;
    this.datetimeCrimeStarted = datetimeCrimeStarted;
}

for (let gameStateDataIndex = 0; gameStateDataIndex < setOfCrime.length; gameStateDataIndex++) {
    gameState[gameStateDataIndex] = new structOfGameState(0, 0, 0);
}

i'm just going to use this as an example, but you don't need to use "new" here, instead you can just use an object literal:

JavaScript code:

for (let gameStateDataIndex = 0; gameStateDataIndex < setOfCrime.length; gameStateDataIndex++) {
	gameState[gameStateDataIndex] = {
		state:0,
		numberTimesCommitted: 0,
		datetimeCrimeWillEnd: 0,
	}
}

or, if you want to use a function to create your objects (which is fine):

JavaScript code:

// struct for accumulated data (I expect to add more as time goes on)
function structOfGameState(state, numberTimesCommitted, datetimeCrimeWillEnd, datetimeCrimeStarted) {
	// using shorthand object notation
	return {
		state,
		numberTimesCommitted,
		datetimeCrimeWillEnd,
		datetimeCrimeStarted
	}
}

function structOfGameStateButWithOldNotation(state, numberTimesCommitted, datetimeCrimeWillEnd, datetimeCrimeStarted) {
	// using the traditional notation
	return {
		state: state,
		numberTimesCommitted: numberTimesCommitted,
		datetimeCrimeWillEnd: datetimeCrimeWillEnd,
		datetimeCrimeStarted: datetimeCrimeStarted
	}
}


for (let gameStateDataIndex = 0; gameStateDataIndex < setOfCrime.length; gameStateDataIndex++) {
    gameState[gameStateDataIndex] = structOfGameState(0, 0, 0); // no "new" operator, just a function call
}

# ? Sep 21, 2023 20:57

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

gentle request to take specific stuff like "help me with my game" to its own thread plz & thank

# ? Sep 21, 2023 21:04

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

noted

# ? Sep 21, 2023 21:14

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Wheany posted:

i'm just going to use this as an example, but you don't need to use "new" here, instead you can just use an object literal:

JavaScript code:

for (let gameStateDataIndex = 0; gameStateDataIndex < setOfCrime.length; gameStateDataIndex++) {
	gameState[gameStateDataIndex] = {
		state:0,
		numberTimesCommitted: 0,
		datetimeCrimeWillEnd: 0,
	}
}

or, if you want to use a function to create your objects (which is fine):

JavaScript code:

// struct for accumulated data (I expect to add more as time goes on)
function structOfGameState(state, numberTimesCommitted, datetimeCrimeWillEnd, datetimeCrimeStarted) {
	// using shorthand object notation
	return {
		state,
		numberTimesCommitted,
		datetimeCrimeWillEnd,
		datetimeCrimeStarted
	}
}

function structOfGameStateButWithOldNotation(state, numberTimesCommitted, datetimeCrimeWillEnd, datetimeCrimeStarted) {
	// using the traditional notation
	return {
		state: state,
		numberTimesCommitted: numberTimesCommitted,
		datetimeCrimeWillEnd: datetimeCrimeWillEnd,
		datetimeCrimeStarted: datetimeCrimeStarted
	}
}


for (let gameStateDataIndex = 0; gameStateDataIndex < setOfCrime.length; gameStateDataIndex++) {
    gameState[gameStateDataIndex] = structOfGameState(0, 0, 0); // no "new" operator, just a function call
}

i�ll have a look at these later and get my head around them. something satisfying I get when coding is discovering a new and significantly better approach to making something work.

here�s a question : in unreal engine blueprints there�s this thing called select

let�s say I needed to plug a float into a function, select means I plug the select into the float input and then put multiple float options into the select, and then something like a boolean or integer index or even an enumeration, and then at run time the float is chosen from the options depending on the indexing input

I use it all the time because it feels clean.

and I�ve just thought about it and think I know how you could do it in js but would feel ugly and spose pointers would also be helpful achieving this .. just thinking out loud

coz of the nodes, the select node doesn�t really messy up the code, in fact it makes it clearer than the top example using branch

I spose in-line it might make for some gnarly to pull apart code and more challenging to work out what�s going on later sitch

# ? Sep 21, 2023 21:30

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

I am realising now looking at those examples that there is a performance price to pay, at least in those blueprints. but I can imagine how pointers wouldn�t introduce that issue

anyway lol what am I talking about I�ve never used a pointer in my life

# ? Sep 21, 2023 21:32

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

you mean you want to map it? can use an array or object for that depending on what keys you want. for zero-based integers:

code:

const select = [�red�, �blue�, �green�, �butts�];

�

let colourIndex = 3;
let colour = select[colourIndex]; // �butts�

# ? Sep 21, 2023 21:46

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

echinopsis posted:

let�s say I needed to plug a float into a function, select means I plug the select into the float input and then put multiple float options into the select, and then something like a boolean or integer index or even an enumeration, and then at run time the float is chosen from the options depending on the indexing input

sounds to me like a switch statement https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/switch

# ? Sep 21, 2023 21:48

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Subjunctive posted:

you mean you want to map it? can use an array or object for that depending on what keys you want. for zero-based integers:
code:
const select = [�red�, �blue�, �green�, �butts�];

�

let colourIndex = 3;
let colour = select[colourIndex]; // �butts�

amazing

# ? Sep 21, 2023 23:20

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

"i want to make my game better"
"learn and rewrite it in some fly-by-night hipste plang"

# ? Sep 22, 2023 03:19

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

redleader posted:

"i want to make my game better"
"learn and rewrite it in some fly-by-night hipste plang"

this is the PL thread, the advice is gonna be PL related.

like you�re going to some blockchain shop and act surprised they try to sell you blockchains

# ? Sep 22, 2023 03:35

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

doesn�t pl just mean programming language not plang?

# ? Sep 22, 2023 03:48

Dijkstracula: Mar 18, 2003; You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

rotor posted:

gentle request to take specific stuff like "help me with my game" to its own thread plz & thank

# ? Sep 22, 2023 03:52

rjmccall: Sep 7, 2007; no worries friend; Fun Shoe

i am happy that echi wants to learn to program but there really is an entire subforum for this

# ? Sep 22, 2023 03:57

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# ? May 23, 2024 06:41

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

rjmccall posted:

i am happy that echi wants to learn to program but there really is an entire subforum for this

# ? Sep 22, 2023 04:01

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