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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1705234960037138647#m "Ty zh mene pidmanula" plays.
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Sep 22, 2023 16:10
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Looks like Tucker is getting his own show on Russia 24. https://x.com/francis_scarr/status/1705157558590169494?s=20
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Sep 22, 2023 16:23
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Mr. Apollo posted:Looks like Tucker is getting his own show on Russia 24. Alex Jones might be next. Solovyov is a big friend of his, apparently.
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Sep 22, 2023 16:43
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OddObserver posted:https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1705234960037138647#m After those AA systems were taken out by special forces, strikes on Crimea ramped up. Ukraine would have found great use for ATACMs before now, but now is good timing to continue slamming Crimea's infrastructure. I mean obviously the Kerch is the main concern, but we'll see what they choose to use these for. They could also take out more docked warships.
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Sep 22, 2023 17:41
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On the subject of warships, there may be another casualty: https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status/1705229356669321255
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Sep 22, 2023 17:43
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:They already had rights to use Sevastopol. Doing nothing would have been better from a naval perspective. The rental agreement had been renewed in 2010 by Yanukovich to last until 2042, but with the Maidan happening there was a risk that the agreement might be dissolved by the new pro-west government. But I wouldn't put it down to any one particular thing.
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Sep 22, 2023 18:31
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Impressive footage of one of the strikes on the Black Sea fleet HQ https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1705274912338817534 Were the Russians actually using these buildings for military planning? There have been a few strikes against Ukrainian military buildings but all the reports were that they were empty because obviously you don't just sit in a giant target like that during a war. Presumably it was empty, but still, a real statement from Ukraine. Edit: There's an unconfirmed rumour that an admiral was killed in the attack, which seems unlikely but holy crap if they were just chilling in a giant building with "military decision center" written on it Chalks fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Sep 22, 2023 |
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Sep 22, 2023 18:44
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It's a lot of office space in the middle of the city, I'm sure it was being used for something even if the more critical elements were put into bomb proof locations. Maybe the BS fleet's whole accountancy section just got wiped out 
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Sep 22, 2023 18:49
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Chalks posted:Impressive footage of one of the strikes on the Black Sea fleet HQ Russia claims that only one person is missing. Some speculate that the missing person is none other than Commander of the Black Sea Fleet Viktor Sokolov whose office was directly hit, but I haven't seen any real evidence of that so far. It would be weird if the HQ was completely empty, though. Russia normally has enough anti-air to cover crucial objects like that, but I guess they could have moved to a less conspicuous location when attacks on Sevastopol started ramping up. There still must be some security personnel there, I imagine.
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Sep 22, 2023 18:52
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Earlier today I was going to make a joke how white smoke coming from the HQ means that a new fleet commander has been chosen but couldn't be bothered to post then. Now it sounds like I might have been correct??
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Sep 22, 2023 18:58
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that's one of the best cruise missiles they have, no? it's relatively fast, flies low below radar and is capable of evasion maneuvers. meaning even the best AA network is going to have a a hard time detecting and then hitting it and then assuming there aren't major holes in coverage or operators are passed out drunk
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Sep 22, 2023 19:00
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Paladinus posted:Russia claims that only one person is missing. Some speculate that the missing person is none other than Commander of the Black Sea Fleet Viktor Sokolov whose office was directly hit, but I haven't seen any real evidence of that so far. It would be weird if the HQ was completely empty, though. Russia normally has enough anti-air to cover crucial objects like that, but I guess they could have moved to a less conspicuous location when attacks on Sevastopol started ramping up. There still must be some security personnel there, I imagine. Just casually taking out the commander of the fleet and nobody else with a volley of cruise missiles. There's no way Russia thinks it has enough AA to cover these targets when Ukraine blew a bunch of holes in a submarine and warship a couple of weeks ago. Look how close this building is to the dry dock!! 
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Sep 22, 2023 19:01
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From Zeit Liveblog: The EU has granted Ukraine another 1,5 billion EUR to keep critical infrastructure like bridges, schools and hospitals running. It's another part of the original 18 billion support package the EU set up last December. 13,5 billion EUR have already been paid out so far. The concrete entry in the liveblog is at 16:21, if you want to take a look. (A lot of stuff happened today, so this news item has fallen down the screen a lot.)
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Sep 22, 2023 19:14
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Chalks posted:Impressive footage of one of the strikes on the Black Sea fleet HQ how many missiles hit it? it seems like it was already on fire before the one shown landed.
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Sep 22, 2023 19:27
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Scratch Monkey posted:how many missiles hit it? it seems like it was already on fire before the one shown landed. At least two direct hits. There's some footage from a British journalist filmed during the strikes which sounds like at least 4 explosions and audio from both cruise missiles and air defences so it's difficult to tell exactly which are successful strikes. https://twitter.com/johnnyjmils/status/1705181843618701806 The Russian government reported 5 missiles but also claimed all were shot down so I don't know how much that's worth.
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Sep 22, 2023 19:45
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shot down directly into the headquarters apparently
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Sep 22, 2023 19:54
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Paladinus posted:Russia claims that only one person is missing. Some speculate that the missing person is none other than Commander of the Black Sea Fleet Viktor Sokolov whose office was directly hit, but I haven't seen any real evidence of that so far. It would be weird if the HQ was completely empty, though. Russia normally has enough anti-air to cover crucial objects like that, but I guess they could have moved to a less conspicuous location when attacks on Sevastopol started ramping up. There still must be some security personnel there, I imagine. The most dangerous non-military job in Ukraine seems to be night guards, as they often get killed when something gets cruise missiled. Herstory Begins Now posted:shot down directly into the headquarters apparently Someone should edit the Wikipedia article for S-400 and put the fleet headquarters as the picture.
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Sep 22, 2023 19:55
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Maybe they mean 'down' as in the feathered sense, meaning that they shot some migratory geese?
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Sep 22, 2023 19:55
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Herstory Begins Now posted:shot down directly into the headquarters apparently 2 missiles were shot down when they collided with the interceptor. Said interceptor was the Black Sea Fleet HQ. 2 birds with 1 stone, it didn't even have to move to perform a successful intercept! That reporter is being so careful to show nothing and talk vaguely and I still feel like he's walking a very fine tightrope.
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Sep 22, 2023 19:58
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Are cruise missile decoys a thing? Or does that not make any sense because to get a dummy bomb to fly is probably nearly as expensive as to just put explosives on it.
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Sep 22, 2023 20:01
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cr0y posted:Are cruise missile decoys a thing? Or does that not make any sense because to get a dummy bomb to fly is probably nearly as expensive as to just put explosives on it. Yes, they’re definitely a thing. They have been getting used a fair amount, particularly by the Russians during their school, theater, and power grid campaigns.
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Sep 22, 2023 20:03
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cr0y posted:Are cruise missile decoys a thing? Or does that not make any sense because to get a dummy bomb to fly is probably nearly as expensive as to just put explosives on it. The first Storm Shadow strikes were accompanied by decoys https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1657076098100756504 They're physically very different from the actual cruise missiles though, they're just designed to produce similar radar signatures for a time. I've not heard of these being used since these early strikes though, so it's possible that the Ukrainians discovered they were redundant if the Russians can't shoot them down anyway. Chalks fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Sep 22, 2023 |
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Sep 22, 2023 20:07
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cr0y posted:Are cruise missile decoys a thing? Or does that not make any sense because to get a dummy bomb to fly is probably nearly as expensive as to just put explosives on it. The German Taurus cruise missile has a variant that transforms the actual missile into a decoy midflight, as this type will start launching up to 8 submissions when entering its targeting area and then keep flying while the independent submissions seek out the radars targeting the Taurus and the AA-launching sites that reveal themselves when firing on the decoy. Though the German MIC probably needs to make completely new ones when Ukraine gets the permission to buy them, as this specific variant was only prototyped when the original program was shut down
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Sep 22, 2023 20:20
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It looks like Russia is ‘temporarily’ banning oil exports to keep domestic prices stable. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/crude-oil-prices-climb-after-russia-bans-gas-and-diesel-exports/ar-AA1h6s9F This seems like a really big deal for several reasons. First, oil exports are the Russian’s government financial/political ace-in-the-hole, and one of the biggest things keeping the war machine running. It’s likely one of their most useful tools for evading sanctions. The ruple could continue to eat poo poo if nobody can buy oil. Also, it puts the Russian regime in the tough spot of having to weigh public discontent over high gas prices with their ability to keep their macro-economy running. If this is really as serious as it looks, it bodes extremely poorly for the Russian government’s ability to deal with the attritional stress.
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Sep 22, 2023 20:39
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Remember there’s a difference between crude and refined exports though. As far as I know crude oil is the material the export most, although yes everyone with a contract to receive diesel from Russia is going to be mad. But now would be an excellent time for Ukraine to blow up a refinery if there are any in the western end of Russia.
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Sep 22, 2023 20:54
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My prediction is that they haven't even stopped the exports, they are just saying so to soothe domestic consumers and hoping that the end of the harvest season solves the problem on its own.
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Sep 22, 2023 20:59
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Refined products make more money and they were a major part of oil exports from Russia to Europe before the sanctions iirc. Mainly diesel.
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Sep 22, 2023 21:07
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spankmeister posted:Refined products make more money and they were a major part of oil exports from Russia to Europe before the sanctions iirc. Mainly diesel. They used to sell a lot of marine diesel. Basically every ship going Asia - US west coast had Russian bunkers. I’m not sure where they’re getting it from now as I don’t board vessels in the same capacity as I used to. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Sep 23, 2023 |
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Sep 22, 2023 22:38
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The admiral seems to be dead https://twitter.com/berlin_bridge/status/1705282007398252841 https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1705268912344940766
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Sep 23, 2023 00:46
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Interestingly Budanov claims there are a couple of injured generals, and that he can't confirm dead admirals.
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Sep 23, 2023 00:54
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Good interview with Budanov. . Amusingly, the failed Vuhledar attack earlier this year which was mocked mercilessly was commanded personally by Gerasimov.
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Sep 23, 2023 01:56
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OddObserver posted:Interestingly Budanov claims there are a couple of injured generals, and that he can't confirm dead admirals. Huge if true. That's a 3 star and 2 star general https://twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1705344634128380206 https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1705347391111524654
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Sep 23, 2023 02:43
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Holy loving poo poo. How often in history have multiple generals been taken out in one strike like this? Has it ever happened? Generals haven’t really died on the battlefield since the Early Modern, and it was pretty rare before that. And obviously lol, indeed, lmao.
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Sep 23, 2023 02:52
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pretty legit decapitation strike. makes sense why they sent the good missiles to do it.
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Sep 23, 2023 02:57
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Xiahou Dun posted:
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Sep 23, 2023 03:01
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Stealing a joke a goon posted early in the invasion, but, You just know the second-to-last* thing that went through some poor junior staffer's mind was "this whole meeting could have just been an email." *the last thing, of course, being shrapnel
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Sep 23, 2023 03:04
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surovikin in Algeria or whatever living his best life while these other “loyal” clowns are getting murked, would have been nice to have gotten him as well
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Sep 23, 2023 03:04
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Xiahou Dun posted:Holy loving poo poo. The US lost a decent amount of generals and flag officers in ww2, but I don't recall ever multiple in a strike. 2 died in the battle for Okinawa for example. I haven't dug deep but I'm seeing 11 US generals dying to enemy action compared to the 15 claimed/confirmed Russian ones. The US had a lot of naval officer losses to for obvious reasons which is not included in this.
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Sep 23, 2023 03:11
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wet_goods posted:surovikin in Algeria or whatever living his best life while these other “loyal” clowns are getting murked, would have been nice to have gotten him as well If Budanov's comments on the thing in Sudan is an indicator of the future, Surovikin has very little reason to relax.
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Sep 23, 2023 03:11
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In a mafia state, loyalty trumps competence everytime. Being seen as both competent but of questionable loyalty is remarkably bad for your health.
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