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smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016



Edit: Holy god. Just realised this was a Snype of true horror. Apologies to all

76 is an even composite number composed of two prime numbers multiplied together.

smellmycheese fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Sep 23, 2023

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Brewster's Millions but for policies and/or voters.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Looks like Labour is just a pale imitation of the Tories instead of their opposition. :suicide:

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
my main experience with my union so far has been every year or so getting to select candidates for the national committee based on a booklet of indistinguishable randoms with near-identical paragraphs beside them, who have apparently sorted themselves into differing slates but refuse to elaborate on what exactly separates them. i feel so involved in the governance process. also the main guy is a terf

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022
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Disregarding all the flaws in proposals to ban them - which are probably fairly obvious to most of us - why are American Bullies getting attention now? it feels delierately simplistic, most people don't really know about fiscal policies but they do know what dogs are

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Of course they're not, how is Rachel Reeves going to be able to boot everyone off disability if they enshrine it in law?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

The Wicked ZOGA posted:

Disregarding all the flaws in proposals to ban them - which are probably fairly obvious to most of us - why are American Bullies getting attention now? it feels delierately simplistic, most people don't really know about fiscal policies but they do know what dogs are

Couple of attacks close together and a government that wants to desperately prove it can do anything potentially perceived as positive.

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022
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Are Bully XLs even a breed that... exists? You can call any dog anything, backyard breeders don't keep rigorous records by definition

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Children dying to dog attacks is the kind of human interest fear story papers love to draw attention aswell.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

The Wicked ZOGA posted:

most people don't really know about fiscal policies but they do know what dogs are
I'm not sure they do when there's no breed description in the UK and the news keeps showing pictures of Labrador Terrier crosses and shouting "it's the bully bonus!"

I think that makes it the perfect moral panic because there's no way of banning them prior to them attacking, and the papers can just decide based on sensationalism value.

Also it means the government doesn't have to do any hard boring work like dog licensing. They can just ban something during washup and then claim that Labour would have put bad dogs in your child's room.

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022
Probation
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Has to be said I felt some satisfaction in throwing the spectator jar into the newspaper offices in BG3. may be the first time a spectator has actually improved journalism

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

The Wicked ZOGA posted:

Are Bully XLs even a breed that... exists? You can call any dog anything, backyard breeders don't keep rigorous records by definition

It's very loosely defined amongst breeders but not recognised as a breed by the Kennel club, I'm also not untirely sure if non XL American Bullies will also be banned or if its just the XL ones. So how would a ban work? Well it won't but its something the Government can point do as 'delivering what the people want' or something.
Bonus that it will require almost no effort or money spent.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Nothingtoseehere posted:

Taken over implies they weren't already. This is blair legacy of unions.

The Junior doctors already went through this, with BMA leadership badly managing the last junior doctor strikes which ended up petering out in 2015-2016. Junior doctors in the BMA spent the last 7 years organising and reforming the union, hence the BMA is the last union striking over the state of the NHS while every other union representing NHS staff has given up and told members to accept 6%.

Seems to be going nowhere and is a damned if you do, damned if you don't problem. There's also a limit to how much the juniors can strike before they get in trouble with their training requirements (£££ notwithstanding).

Even the consultants strike seems to be swept under a rug and the turnout for that was like 90% with 90%+ voting to strike.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

The Democrats of Pelosi and Biden now showing more solidarity with workers than the British party specifically created for, erm, solidarity with workers. You have to lol

https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1705577360832053277?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

History Comes Inside! posted:

I think that might be it!

😊

Jarvis is not the best writer, but his dedication to bringing pretty much every kind of horror to kids is definitely underappreciated.

I mean just look at this poo poo

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Thread seems to have missed this phenomenal cringe

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1705211616864735376?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Mega Comrade posted:

It's very loosely defined amongst breeders but not recognised as a breed by the Kennel club, I'm also not untirely sure if non XL American Bullies will also be banned or if its just the XL ones. So how would a ban work? Well it won't but its something the Government can point do as 'delivering what the people want' or something.
Bonus that it will require almost no effort or money spent.

If you wanted to be super efficent, you could just make up stuff and announce you are cancelling it to really get a boost from the right. (See the seven bin ban.)

"The Government has listened to you. Effective immediately, we are banning the lethal Ball Gobbler breed of dog!"

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

The Question IRL posted:

Ball Gobbler breed of dog!

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

God all the Strictly jokes are incredibly painful

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...


His owner taught him well!

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
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Hello, dear

MeinPanzer posted:

Anyone else involved in the university labour dispute who is as annoyed as I am with how it's proceeding?

For those of you who aren't familiar with it, the UCU, the main university employee union, has been involved in the longest-lasting labour dispute in UK history (5-6 years now, I believe). We were striking last year and when the university negotiating body, the UCEA, refused to even negotiate, the union membership called for a marking boycott towards the end of the academic year. Normally, this is the nuclear option, as it means that students don't get their work assessed, can't finish exams, and ultimately can't graduate.

Except that many unis, including my own, called the UCU's bluff and just guaranteed students the ability to graduate with a placeholder degree while docking the pay of participating staff 30-100% (my uni docked 50%). As soon as that happened, I could see that we were in a losing position, and indeed the UCEA barely budged over the summer while many academic staff lost a month or two of income and then withdrew because they just couldn't sustain it financially.

I'm at a Scottish uni and our academic year starts in early September. The only real leverage our local UCU branch had was to strike in the first two weeks, which causes real disruption because it means that students can't get assigned to classes, advised on their degree path, etc. We had two weeks of strikes scheduled, but the local branch ultimately called them off at the last minute in exchange for the uni retroactively restoring pay for those who participated in the marking boycott over the summer.

Then the national UCU called for strikes next week, and we were scheduled to participate... until our membership inexplicably voted to opt out, despite not receiving any offer from the uni. Now I'm reading that 89 of 140 branches across the country opted out of striking, at least in some cases because they've been offered what sound like token concessions by administrators (https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/22/university-staff-union-backs-away-from-uk-wide-strikes-as-support-wanes).

What the gently caress is this strategy?! The whole thing is such a shambles. The moment unis announced that they would undercut the marking boycott by awarding placeholder degrees the union should have called it off and switched to 100% indefinite strikes from the first day of the semester. That would have been a WAY more effective use of their leverage and saved people from real financial hardship. Now people are pissed off that all their suffering with the marking boycott was for nothing and are beginning to scatter to the winds.

thanks for this post, i found it informative :)

having seen the absolute state of the UCU reps in meetings here it doesn't surprise me that the union as a whole has the air of an unattended hose

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

fuctifino posted:

Have the unions been taken over by Keiths?

i've certainly encountered them. I had a rep once who seemed to lack a grasp of the basic idea of her job. A very senior manager in health trust i used to work for did something that was about as clear cut an instance of disability discrimination as you can get because she was the all too common staple in senior public service management of poo poo for brains and a bully by nature. i'd never needed the services of a union before and said rep spoke against me in the first meeting, to try to ingratiate herself to the senior management in the trust lol

what's worrying is that i took this up with the union, immediately, and a guy who was competent took over my case, but that colostomy bag was still in her post as rep a year or so later, after i'd left that place in disgust and with an almighty pay out from them

even with the rep who understood the basic purpose of a union and acted accordingly, i was pissed off at several points by how much heavy lifting i had to do by myself in the tribunal case

crispix fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Sep 23, 2023

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
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Hello, dear

Just Another Lurker posted:

Looks like Labour is just a pale imitation of the Tories instead of their opposition. :suicide:

no there's nothing pale about it imo

it's positively ruddy faced and going out of its way to drive a loving range rover over some baby ducks just for the hindbrain thrill of it

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Couple of things from me:

Saw Grace Petrie live in Ottawa the other night. She was really good. Don't recall having seen her mentioned in the thread before (though I'm certain many of you have heard of her). She's a lesbian socialist protest singer and comedian from Leicester. If you get the chance to see her live in the UK, go check her out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRAEYEL_A1c

Also, The UK has been in the Canadian news!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/broken-britain-1.6973299



quote:

One of the most surprising details to emerge after a recent prison escape in Britain wasn't that a terrorism suspect managed to sneak out of London's Wandsworth prison by clinging to the bottom of a delivery truck.

Or even that Daniel Abed Khalife, the former British soldier facing terrorism charges, was only being held in a category B security prison.

It was that on the day of his escape 80 members of the prison staff — nearly 40 per cent of its workforce — were absent. And according to government figures, the prison operating with staff absence levels of between 36 and 48 per cent was more or less normal.

The news prompted a scathing editorial from the Times newspaper: "Living conditions are often inhumane and unsanitary, levels of rehabilitation unsatisfactory, and prison officers are both inexperienced and overstretched following years of cuts," wrote the editorial board.

The exposed failings of the prison join a growing mound of public infrastructure problems feeding a deep sense of gloom spreading across the United Kingdom, England in particular.

Crumbling concrete in schools
At the end of August, just a few days before the start of the school year, the Conservative government led by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak ordered more than 100 schools to close buildings it said were at risk of collapse.

Weak and aging concrete with a shelf-life of about 30 years was the culprit. But the government had been made aware of the problem as early as 2018 after the collapse of a school roof in Kent.

For children prevented from attending classes in their actual schools — government numbers show 174 are now deemed to be at risk — it was a grim reminder of the remote learning that defined the COVID years.

Crumbling concrete closes over 100 U.K. schools ahead of new semester
Other public buildings, including hospitals and theatres, could also be at risk, as they were built with the same type of concrete.

And a senior official in the department of education has accused Sunak of refusing to rebuild more schools when he was head of the treasury in 2021.

The opposition Labour Party is driving home the failings every chance it gets, clearly hoping the crisis might signal an end to their long years in the political wilderness.

"Thirteen years into a Conservative government and the public realm is literally crumbling around the next generation," Labour MP and education spokesperson Bridget Phillipson said during a parliamentary debate earlier this month.

Polls suggest dissatisfaction ahead of election
In a September poll published by the Ipsos Political Monitor, eight out of 10 Britons said they were dissatisfied by the way the government is running the country.

The poll also put the Labour Party a full 20 points ahead of the Conservatives in terms of voting intentions in an election that must be held before January 2025: 44 per cent said they planned to vote Labour, while 24 per cent favoured the Conservatives.

Ford says there's a whole "wedding cake" of reasons for Britain's current state of discontent.

"Many years of austerity, cutbacks to public services, meaning a serious under investment in infrastructure, which has now produced the crisis in the schools in terms of concrete that should have been replaced many years ago, serious underinvestment in staff in the public sector, which is resulting in staff shortages in schools and in hospitals and major strikes," he said.

Dual doctor strikes
In England on Wednesday, consultants, senior doctors and junior doctors (those still undertaking clinical training), held a joint strike for the first time in the history of the National Health Service (NHS).

Dr. Rebecca Lissmann, a junior doctor working in obstetrics, was out on the picket line in front of the University College Hospital in London.

"I think it's important to say that I love the National Health Service," said Lissmann. "That's what we're here for. To defend a health service that's free at the point of use for everybody."

But she also says pressures on the NHS are both unsustainable and dangerous for patients.

"There's immense pressure to kind of do work outside your typical job because we don't have enough people, and you know, that's what you fear, because as a doctor you want to provide care that you're proud of. And if you don't have the staffing to do that, that's not a good feeling."

Hamish Bains, a medical registrar also on the picket lines, said he fears the NHS is "kind of structurally not sound."

Like many striking health-care workers, both doctors believe the government is making a political choice about the future of the NHS, pointing out that the strike has already cost millions of dollars that could have gone toward pay increase demands.

Over the summer, more than seven million people were on NHS treatment waiting lists for England, waiting lists Sunak has pledged to bring down.

He's blamed the strikes for putting that pledge in danger.

More challenges ahead
There are other nagging issues that speak to the sense of things falling apart in the United Kingdom.

Water companies have been accused of spilling sewage into rivers and the sea, and it's alleged the government has turned a blind eye.

And commuters say the rail system doesn't seem to work, even where there isn't a strike on.

No wonder headline writers in the U.K. find themselves converging on various versions of "Broken Britain" on any given day. The winter of discontent seems to have moved up a season.

It leaves all eyes on a coming election, which some expect to be called for next fall.

Ford, the political scientist, says the challenge facing any new government in Britain will be in getting the message across that fixing all that's broken is going to take time and money.

"It's going to really come down to whether or not hope beats despair in a sense," he said, speaking of those who will vote in the next election.

"They have to have faith in the ability of government to deliver those outcomes. And you know, that faith may have to sustain them for a while before things actually start to tangibly improve."


Like, poo poo's hosed in Canada in a whole load of ways but even so they're looking at the UK and saying "Holy poo poo, that's bad". Good job Britain.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Grace Petrie's excellent, seen her a couple of times and going to her stand-up show in the near future as well.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Saw Stewart Lee doing a bit of stand up last week and it looks like his next big show will have a thread going through it that pays off with a routine attacking TERFs and JK Rowling in the manner you'd expect from him.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gorn Myson posted:

Saw Stewart Lee doing a bit of stand up last week and it looks like his next big show will have a thread going through it that pays off with a routine attacking TERFs and JK Rowling in the manner you'd expect from him.

Heard Lee was a bit melty. Glad he has his limits, especially given how much of the UK's media-political clique has been radicalising insanely fast over trans issues.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
Some idle thoughts:

- The ideological thrust of the "broken Britain" newspaper angle is obviously a prelude to a renewed campaign against 'welfare', vaguely defined: people are less, not more, inclined to support redistribution when they feel personally worse off. Sunak certainly has indicated no plans to raise key taxes.
- It does look to give the wrangling between the assorted Tory factions a grounding in reality that had dissipated amidst peak Brexiteerism. And what else is there? Solemn noises about 'woke' keep recurring but have failed to crystallize. And unlike Australia (where Sunak seems intent to continue cribbing party strategy notes), the UK is not a major commodities exporter and so the payoff from being actively anti-green is correspondingly reduced. At least quarrels between Tories over what programmes are to be considered well-earned entitlements of the deserving working man vs giveaways to idle layabouts and mendicants would be arguments over actually-existing policies and not hypothetical future Britains. It's early days yet but I think this particular turn has legs, unlike the past year of Sunak experimenting with various messages
- I don't think folks anticipated school concrete in the particular, but broadly an eventual Tory turn toward investment in state capacity is a predictable long-term response to the Labour's own turn toward the services angle (which is one of the better legacies of Corbynism, I might add)
- There's a vague theory (which I don't put much stock in, but it's fodder for an idle mind and these are idle thoughts) that the existence of Soviet competition to the Western sphere nudged the postwar West toward acceptance of welfare states. Well, today the premier communist power is very hot on supply side policies and capital spending, and not at all enthusiastic about welfarism. So...?

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




ronya posted:

the UK is not a major commodities exporter and so the payoff from being actively anti-green is correspondingly reduced.

Yeah it reminds me of when they tried to do the whole voter ID thing by copying the US. Australia isn't a country, it's a bunch of natural resource extraction companies wearing a trenchcoat, it makes more sense for them to warp their politics around that. There are even leftists there that support mining because of the working class jobs it creates. They're going to regret that of course, but still.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




A lot of tories will have seen that internal combustion car cutoff date coming and been investing in the "solution" of replacing every car with an electric one, which is insane, but will certainly make them some money while we circle the drain. The car companies themselves will have invested massive capital already.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Brendan Rodgers posted:

A lot of tories will have seen that internal combustion car cutoff date coming and been investing in the "solution" of replacing every car with an electric one, which is insane, but will certainly make them some money while we circle the drain. The car companies themselves will have invested massive capital already.

https://twitter.com/dsquareddigest/status/1704777668594471245

Yeah... I have a feeling the U-turn will be watered down. It seems like sloppy electoral experimentation?

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Not before the election. Sunak needs his MPs to play nice to stand any chance at all of winning in May.
U-turning on this kind of issue will get a lot of culture war afficionados bent out of shape and plenty of them hate him enough as is. If they feel he's wrecking their gravy train ticket, it'll be knives out.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

https://twitter.com/barneydavises/status/1705578102846325176?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




kingturnip posted:

Not before the election. Sunak needs his MPs to play nice to stand any chance at all of winning in May.
U-turning on this kind of issue will get a lot of culture war afficionados bent out of shape and plenty of them hate him enough as is. If they feel he's wrecking their gravy train ticket, it'll be knives out.

There's a collision there in terms of that "gravy train", the consumers of the culture war just want all that "green bollocks" over and done with, but the tories with actual power only care about money, and Rishi may have lost them a lot of their "green economy investment".

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Oh christ they actually got on my bus today when I was heading home from London. I didn't make eye contact

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ronya posted:

- The ideological thrust of the "broken Britain" newspaper angle is obviously a prelude to a renewed campaign against 'welfare', vaguely defined: people are less, not more, inclined to support redistribution when they feel personally worse off. Sunak certainly has indicated no plans to raise key taxes.
There does appear to be some level of cracks appearing in the schools narrative among the top 10% though, because while you still hear a lot of the old rhetoric, it's starting to happen to people they know and care about now. What direction that goes in seems to be variable, some going to insular nationalism and blaming offshoring, others taking their ball and going private, and others understanding that public spending might benefit them too in some other scenario.

ronya posted:

- There's a vague theory (which I don't put much stock in, but it's fodder for an idle mind and these are idle thoughts) that the existence of Soviet competition to the Western sphere nudged the postwar West toward acceptance of welfare states. Well, today the premier communist power is very hot on supply side policies and capital spending, and not at all enthusiastic about welfarism. So...?
I don't think people see China as the inevitable victory over Europe though. They've a longer drive to the Fulda Gap.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

lol i'm in favour of this :)

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
anything to loving give a bit of hope

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004





And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom

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DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
caught two seconds of that and my arsehole tried to take a bite out the floor

need some kind of warning system for that level of cringe imo

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