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The only popular American sport the terrorists know is basketball.
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Sep 23, 2023 02:16
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When Clancy tried to make the IRA his big bads was pretty funny
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Sep 23, 2023 03:30
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Regarde Aduck posted:he did 'terrorist attack at big sport event' a couple of times Its believeable enough, and his readers all go to sporting events at some point so he can hook people into it with "Oh no, that's just like me!" in the simplest way. That's how he likes his geopolitical terrorism plots, nice and simple. Its an effective plot (Bad Thing happen, Good Guy Gets Going, Guy That Did Bad Thing Dies Hooray) and also very very cheap. I need to re-iterate, Clancy after his first few books just wanted to keep rolling in cash and the best way to do that was to employ cheap ghostwriters who could churn out a bunch of books quickly while he got all the technical details that made his books stand out from people in the IC who were happy to have another propaganda mouthpiece.
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Sep 23, 2023 07:21
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KomradeX posted:When Clancy tried to make the IRA his big bads was pretty funny The whole era of the late 90s USA desperately trying to make minor brushwars into the next big existential threat so they could ooh-ra and so on was quite something. Lead the free world to a future utopia? lol no, laser bombs and black ops empire building my friend.
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evilmiera posted:I always got the impression that Clancy had a bunch of guys only telling him the best and most shining examples of what they did (or what they wanted people to think they did) and if he so much as said word one about them possibly maybe having used one of the tactics he ascribed to bad guys his connections would dry up. Much like how he was too lazy to write most of his books, it would be too much of a hassle for him to actually do any real research so he would just copy-paste whatever his handlers gave him and tack on some gratuitious schlock here and there and call it a day. he absolutely was a true believer, but also all of what you said here is true. he was a lazy true believer who understood - as anyone who ever gets access whether they're legitimately read into a program or not knows - that if you question let alone bite the hand that feeds you then you will forevermore be an outsider.
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gradenko_2000 posted:The one that really sucked was Red Rabbit just being a play-by-play rerun of Operation Mincemeat except it was for THE RUSSIANS to be fair JPII was the most gladio pope so my money'd be on the communists wanting him off peter's chair too
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KomradeX posted:When Clancy tried to make the IRA his big bads was pretty funny that was easily the fourth-funniest of the Jack Ryan books, behind the one where Palestinians collaborate with the American Indian Movement to successfully nuke the Super Bowl, the one where Japan goes to war with the US, and the one where Iran engineers an Ebola epidemic the IRA one features one of the heroes outright lying to an IRA-supporting Irish American, falsely attributing an attack by a different group to the Provos to turn him against them, with this treated as a good and heroic thing he is doing also has the Irish terrorists collaborate with black American communist militants who are a clear stand-in for the Black Liberation Army, and then during the attack they betray the Americans and murder all of them for no clear reason. 'the evil foreigners have stooges from an American minority group that they betray and murder for no reason' comes up more than once in his books, actually, the same thing happens in Sum of All Fears when the Palestinians murder their AIM ally
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What public affairs officer is signing off on paying for fluff like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPS6xqi-vhk
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lol at the end of that video they say it has a hourly flight cost of $25k, more than double the thing it is supposed to replace
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Sep 24, 2023 15:56
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Centrist Committee posted:lol at the end of that video they say it has a hourly flight cost of $25k, more than double the thing it is supposed to replace Yes but it's three times as good so 
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am I insane for thinking the US mil could buy like four hundred super tucanos and use them basically everywhere they normally spend like 1,000x the cost per flight? is the only downside that our super special pilots wouldn’t like being on a prop plane instead of a jet?
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poisonpill posted:am I insane for thinking the US mil could buy like four hundred super tucanos and use them basically everywhere they normally spend like 1,000x the cost per flight? is the only downside that our super special pilots wouldn’t like being on a prop plane instead of a jet? What you think of as "cost" is actually "profit"
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Sep 24, 2023 16:20
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Mister Bates posted:Palestinians collaborate with the American Indian Movement to successfully nuke the Super Bowl Lmao
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Sep 24, 2023 16:26
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poisonpill posted:am I insane for thinking the US mil could buy like four hundred super tucanos and use them basically everywhere they normally spend like 1,000x the cost per flight? is the only downside that our super special pilots wouldn’t like being on a prop plane instead of a jet? the point of modern US military aviation and gadgets is to spend a lot of money. a cheaper solution is worse cause it’s cheaper
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500excf type r posted:What you think of as "cost" is actually "profit" lol, lmao
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poisonpill posted:am I insane for thinking the US mil could buy like four hundred super tucanos and use them basically everywhere they normally spend like 1,000x the cost per flight? is the only downside that our super special pilots wouldn’t like being on a prop plane instead of a jet? If you read about the transition to the jet age, pilots loving hated prop planes that were more capable and better performing than still dangerous and unreliable jets, and tried to get rid of them ASAP. The Skyraider has had its image rehabilitated since Vietnam, but at the time the aviation community was seething at it. Each carrier off Vietnam was trying to ditch the aircraft pronto so they could have another cool jet squadron.
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Surely those propellers on a box greyhounds are more cost effective way to carry Amazon boxes to the sailors.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Surely those propellers on a box greyhounds are more cost effective way to carry Amazon boxes to the sailors. im surprised they transport all those boxes as-is, so much space vs useful mass l o g i s t i c s
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and it has no real political or cultural impact in-universe and everyone seems to pretty much forget about it after the debris is cleared in later, post-9/11 books, the September 11th attacks are treated with greater narrative weight and as though they are a greater injustice than the time that an actual nuclear weapon was detonated in a major US city
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Sep 24, 2023 20:46
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Mister Bates posted:and it has no real political or cultural impact in-universe and everyone seems to pretty much forget about it after the debris is cleared Because Bin Laden killed the wall street people, each Wall Street person is equivalence of 10 Joe six-pack Americans. So that's pretty close to Nagasaki death when you are weight adjusted.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Because Bin Laden killed the wall street people, each Wall Street person is equivalence of 10 Joe six-pack Americans. don't be so ridiculous finance capital obviously places their own at a minimum of 100:1 value, if not 1000+, based on their collective actions
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Centrist Committee posted:lol at the end of that video they say it has a hourly flight cost of $25k, more than double the thing it is supposed to replace Also it carries 60% of the payload And is physically larger And uses more gas And I don't even want to think about the maintenance cycle and parts life on a tiltrotor vs a small turboprop that's been built like a brick poo poo-house to survive catapult shots. Maybe the strategy is that Ospreys will suffer so many total airframe losses due to crashes that the longevity problems won't matter. Frosted Flake posted:Yes but it's three times as good so Exactly.
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poisonpill posted:am I insane for thinking the US mil could buy like four hundred super tucanos and use them basically everywhere they normally spend like 1,000x the cost per flight? is the only downside that our super special pilots wouldn’t like being on a prop plane instead of a jet? in addition to it being uncool and the jet pilots not going for it, this would also be an admission that the US primarily fights offensive wars against opponents that are massively weaker than them and are not capable of putting up any meaningful resistance in conventional warfare, and that the US military is so hyper-specialized in its role as a counterinsurgency force and army of occupation that it more or less couldn't fight an actual peer competitor in a straight-up conventional war for more than a couple of days now, this is true, but it runs so counter to America's national mythology that they will never, ever admit it, and they will definitely not base billion-dollar procurement decisions on it. the cheap efficient COIN airplanes are for the colonial auxiliary forces, like the 'powerful Afghan Air Force', who get only those and must never be allowed access to anything even capable of air-to-air combat, just in case they ever revolt
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poo poo the USAF doesn't even want slow CAS jets, they only want high fast stealth planes so pilot chads don't get scared by SAMs and poop themselves What's that, it needs to be able to perform a strategically relevant mission? That's coming in block 79a 
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Mister Bates posted:in addition to it being uncool and the jet pilots not going for it, this would also be an admission that the US primarily fights offensive wars against opponents that are massively weaker than them and are not capable of putting up any meaningful resistance in conventional warfare, and that the US military is so hyper-specialized in its role as a counterinsurgency force and army of occupation that it more or less couldn't fight an actual peer competitor in a straight-up conventional war for more than a couple of days The mythologizing around the AC-130 that goes on, a cargo plane that performs a slow orbit around a battlefield shooting at stuff isnt the type of weapon you come up with if your afriad of being shot at. I'm surprised all those Stingers the Taliban had meant one never got shot down
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Mister Bates posted:and it has no real political or cultural impact in-universe and everyone seems to pretty much forget about it after the debris is cleared Wait they had a Sep11? But I thought they already did a September 11 when they had that one guy suicide into something or other and Real Life media got wind of it and were so amazed at Clancy's foresight of kamikaze attacks being a thing more than half a century after WW2? I don't feel comfortable letting Clancy have two 9/11s in one series. (Actually hold up why would the infiltrators kill their allies, that makes no sense, you already used them once to carry out an attack, just use them again and feed them false info to get pursuers off your tail. If you kill them you just give them a trail of bodies to follow).
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evilmiera posted:Wait they had a Sep11? But I thought they already did a September 11 when they had that one guy suicide into something or other and Real Life media got wind of it and were so amazed at Clancy's foresight of kamikaze attacks being a thing more than half a century after WW2? It's like 9.11 times 9.11!!! Times another 9/11 by 9/11! (Frowning) my Casio calculator is giving me an error code.
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KomradeX posted:The mythologizing around the AC-130 that goes on, a cargo plane that performs a slow orbit around a battlefield shooting at stuff isnt the type of weapon you come up with if your afriad of being shot at. I'm surprised all those Stingers the Taliban had meant one never got shot down Even if they still had some, they have a shelf life.
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They used them to shoot down choppers just fine
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Slavvy posted:They used them to shoot down choppers just fine Oh those Stingers. The 2011 ones that went missing from Qatar?
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I was under the impression they were ones gifted to the brave mujahideen freedom fighters of Afghanistan, at least that's the popular story
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Slavvy posted:They used them to shoot down choppers just fine Shooting helicopters and SU-25s with stingers in the 1980s isn't the same as still having them around at all, much less having them in working condition, in the 2000s. There was occasionally reported worries about Stingers being used against US forces in Afghanistan, but it never really came to be. Some strelas, though.
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mlmp08 posted:Shooting helicopters and SU-25s with stingers in the 1980s isn't the same as still having them around at all, much less having them in working condition, in the 2000s. That's a relief!! Thank you for your service 
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https://twitter.com/maureen_bannon/status/1706079106436055490 we already knew this but $19B lmao
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Brave soldiers of the bourgeoisie dictatorship should understand the dangers of refusing to pay private landlords.
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Palladium posted:we already knew this but $19B lmao gradenko_2000 posted:Comedy option: The Third Amendment gets repealed tick tock...
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evilmiera posted:Wait they had a Sep11? But I thought they already did a September 11 when they had that one guy suicide into something or other and Real Life media got wind of it and were so amazed at Clancy's foresight of kamikaze attacks being a thing more than half a century after WW2? yeah in the Clancyverse a few years before 9/11 a Japanese nationalist airline pilot flies his aircraft into the Capitol Building during the State of the Union and kills the President, Cabinet, and almost the entire legislature this is, again, treated by later post-9/11 books as an event with less narrative weight and social significance than the 9/11 attacks you would think that people would be kind of numb to terrorists causing mass death after it happened six or seven times in less than a decade then again, the US fought a full-on hot war with Japan in the 1990s in Clancy universe and they effortlessly pivoted back to being loyal US allies within a few years because Clancy wanted to refocus on China Bad, so maybe people just have goldfish memories in Clancyverse oh also Iran and Iraq unite into a single country and the US invades that country and effortlessly mops the floor with their combined militaries and murders the Ayatollah on live television, the aftereffects of that are never explored, they apparently just turn around and leave, and the US then re-invades Iraq a third time in 2003 when the real invasion historically happened. gently caress it, one more. Russia has allied with NATO to fight a war against China, and the US set up websites streaming footage of Chinese soldiers getting blown up by US drones targeted at Chinese audiences, and the war porn demoralized them so much that they overthrew the Communist Party in a revolution to get the war to end. the word 'hyperwar' is used unironically. Clancy really did himself a disservice by trying to tie all of his books together into a shared universe instead of making them one-offs, because once you start thinking about the overarching narrative they tell it gets really loving ridiculous really quickly. the best book attached to his name is also the most obviously ghostwritten, Red Storm Rising, a Cold War Gone Hot wargaming scenario very thinly disguised as a novel. it reads exactly like it was written by legendary wargame designer Larry Bond, the guy who ghostwrote it, with no effort at all expended on making it seem like Clancy had contributed anything to the book. Mister Bates has issued a correction as of 05:43 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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