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Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

fizzy posted:

Part 1: What is media literacy?

Let's start from the beginning.

So, the implication here is that the "transmitter" himself is incorruptible? So journalists can't be wrong, their messages can only be scrambled AFTER it's been formed?

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uninterrupted: Jun 20, 2011

ikanreed posted:

It was when the US and Canada did it to native Americans.

crazy that libs think "teaching children to read" was what made it a genocide, not "casually slaughtering the children in native schools and dumping their bodies into a mass grave"

# ? Sep 24, 2023 18:03

Best Friends: Nov 4, 2011

I thought that thread was psychotically anti China, but now Chinese infrastructure success has them comparing China to the liberal hero state of nazi Germany. perhaps soon a Chinese civil engineer will get her own standing ovation in a liberal democratic parliament.

# ? Sep 24, 2023 18:55

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

uninterrupted posted:

crazy that libs think "teaching children to read" was what made it a genocide, not "casually slaughtering the children in native schools and dumping their bodies into a mass grave"

And then blame the pope, don't forget the last part.

# ? Sep 24, 2023 19:00

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

Best Friends posted:

I thought that thread was psychotically anti China, but now Chinese infrastructure success has them comparing China to the liberal hero state of nazi Germany. perhaps soon a Chinese civil engineer will get her own standing ovation in a liberal democratic parliament.

# ? Sep 24, 2023 19:23

wynott dunn: Aug 9, 2006; What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

President Xi, please neurostrike the ruling class into the heavenly posting army

# ? Sep 24, 2023 19:28

Punkin Spunkin: Jan 1, 2010

Best Friends posted:

I thought that thread was psychotically anti China, but now Chinese infrastructure success has them comparing China to the liberal hero state of nazi Germany. perhaps soon a Chinese civil engineer will get her own standing ovation in a liberal democratic parliament.

that is the interesting thing, so many of them engage with history in that limited "knowing the gently caress out of WW2 stuff, particularly Nazis, almost like I super duper love them and am fascinated and transfixed by the myths of their greatness/'brutal efficiency' that make up so much of the Western historical canon" and they're also kinda Holocaust minimizers/distorters because of their willingness to make equivalencies about how Stalin/Putin/the CCP are "as bad as Hitler/the Nazis". do you want to hug and kiss them or not?? Figure it out.

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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Punkin Spunkin posted:

that is the interesting thing, so many of them engage with history in that limited "knowing the gently caress out of WW2 stuff, particularly Nazis, almost like I super duper love them and am fascinated and transfixed by the myths of their greatness/'brutal efficiency' that make up so much of the Western historical canon" and they're also kinda Holocaust minimizers/distorters because of their willingness to make equivalencies about how Stalin/Putin/the CCP are "as bad as Hitler/the Nazis". do you want to hug and kiss them or not?? Figure it out.

lol jfc

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i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

lmao

# ? Sep 24, 2023 21:34

Orbis Tertius: Feb 13, 2007

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/TrueSlazac/status/1698744643641303512

both the left-liberals and the right-liberals are obsessed with population numbers while the PRC just goes harder into automation for all spheres of life

reminds me of

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Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

tristeham posted:

lol he's so mad

This is a loving discussion forum!

# ? Sep 24, 2023 22:27

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

now read it with your best lib voice:

mawarannahr posted:

it's already in the rules

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fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Part 2: The Rhetorical Situation

One useful way to understand any given media source is a framework called "The Rhetorical Situation". This framework was developed to develop and analyze persuasive messages, but it's also great for just improving critical thinking about media. In any situation where communication is happening, each person communicating has three factors to consider.

Exigence (i.e. goal)

The speaker has a particular goal in mind. This goal could be specific political reform, the overthrow of the capitalist state, feeling better about themselves, getting laid, anything. The important thing is that, as covered in the first part, the goal is not the same as the message. When a right-wing pundit wants to fearmonger about a minority, they rarely say �you should be afraid of this minority�. They tell a story about some made-up atrocity that motivates that fear in their audience.

Your goal is not the same as what you are trying to communicate, and it�s not the same as what you want your audience to believe, nor is it the same as the text of the message you send (yes, this is the same lesson as in Part 1).

Audience

Messages need to be written in terms and forms that convey their intended content to a specific audience. If you�re speaking to one person or to a well-defined group and the situation is simple, you can �tailor� your message specifically based on what you know about them. In most situations, though, there are multiple audiences, including both intended and unintended audiences whose response still matters and can influence whether or not your goals are achieved.

Balancing how different audiences will respond to a message becomes more difficult as the number of audiences becomes more diverse. Coded language (like racist dogwhistles, speaking in Spanish, or references to the specific slogans of a protest movement) let the speaker try to split their message�s interpretation for different audiences. Most of the time, though, they�re stuck crafting a message that will offend or appeal to some set of different audiences, and try to reach a balance of different statements, appealing to different audiences, such that their general goals are achieved. If a speech seems tone-deaf, well, it may just not be tuned for your ears. That doesn�t mean it�s necessarily badly composed.

All of this is made infinitely harder by the fact that almost all audiences are now mediated; audiences they are only getting message after it passes through someone else�s hands.

Constraints

Mediators (like the press) are one example of constraints on a message- limitations of format, sources of noise (another concept from Part 1) or misinterpretation, limited time or money or access, that can restrict the speaker�s options. Each of these constraints can screw up an otherwise well-designed message, but the biggest constraint, the greatest restriction, in most modern communication settings, is attention. Everyone involved in communication is trying to figure out how to get their audience to read, to click through, and to share- and that distorts both the initial message, and every other medium or media that it passes through. It�s incredibly hard to get nuance or details through to an audience that isn�t somehow motivated to stick around- and right now most online media just intensifies this constraint.

Exercise 1

Here�s a practice problem to get a feel for what this entails.

Congratulations. You�re Joe Biden. You have to give your first state of the union speech, and Peter Thiel just drained all the blood out of your speechwriter. It�s all on you now, and your speech is in an hour. What�s your goal? What are your different audiences? What are the constraints on your speech? What do you say?

�Why am I not hearing about x?!�

Politicians do not actually control the media- and media attention is an incredibly fickle constraint. There is a constant churn of attempts to get and maintain media attention, and the media ecosystem is more fragmented than ever. The vast majority of press announcements, even from the white house, do not get billing even in conventional press. Mediated, self-reinforced selection newsfeeds like twitter give an even more limited picture. When you blame someone for �not talking about� something, bear in mind that they may actually be talking about that thing- you�re just not hearing about it because your sources of information aren�t providing it to you. If you find yourself asking this question, check to see if the politician or- well, let�s be real, it�s usually the democrats that get blamed for this- the democrats are actually talking about it, and it�s just not getting covered. And understand that �well they should talk about it more� usually means they get to do, or even just talk about, other things less�and you�re not the only person with the only priorities that they need to reach. Good governance does not attract attention like a fat man riding an escalator does. Find better, more direct sources that will tell you more about what is going on. Stop watching the fat man on the escalator.

Consider the message creator�s rhetorical situation

If you think someone is doing or saying something horrible and insane, ask yourself why they are doing it. People are rarely completely irrational, especially in communication. There is usually some motivation, even if it is self-interested or unethical. If your answer requires a conspiracy or some sort of global all-encompassing evil, or if you just don�t have any information that tells you why, your understanding of the situation is incomplete- and the current information source you are using to understand the situation is probably misleading you. Maybe the speaker can�t talk about the subject of a deliberation without derailing it, or there�s a liability issue. Maybe they�re trying to reach out to someone who doesn�t share your values, but whose support is vital to their goals. Maybe they are monstrous and psychotic, but they�re usually gonna have some underlying reason beyond their psychosis! Putting yourself in the shoes of the speaker and thinking through their rhetorical situation will let you start to view any message they put out more critically.

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Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

Cpt_Obvious posted:

So, the implication here is that the "transmitter" himself is incorruptible? So journalists can't be wrong, their messages can only be scrambled AFTER it's been formed?

no, "message" goes into the transmittor and "signal" comes out, i imagine there could be some distortion there
but its important to remember its a model developed for radios, like on a mechanical or technical level

# ? Sep 25, 2023 00:32

Bald Stalin: Jul 11, 2004; Can't post for 6 hours!

i say swears online posted:

lmao

Their latest discussion point on CPC being heavily influenced by Nazi philosophy is just liberal horseshoe theory. Imagine if they applied this Nazi analysis to Western states in good faith. The fascism is coming from inside the house!

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Echo Chamber: Oct 16, 2008; best username/post combo

Canada being sanctuary for terrorism makes Canada sound cool.

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Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

i say swears online posted:

lmao

lol hell yeah

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

you enter the halls of the terrorist sanctuary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmYfkfm7GpA

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GlassEye-Boy: Jul 12, 2001

Has Canada issued a travel warning for India yet?

# ? Sep 25, 2023 01:22

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/business/status/1706102739414007946?s=20

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Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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Cuttlefush posted:

lol hell yeah

my brain cells revived, and they proceeded to die even more

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fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Palladium posted:

my brain cells revived, and they proceeded to die even more

Assumption of bad faith. User loses posting privileges for 6 hours.

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/SAMSyria0/status/1705242231739666749

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Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

so my book is now discussing wang xiaobo who wrote some novella in 1992 called golden age thats apparently incisive free speech because it makes fun of party officials and intellectuals and involves lots of sex and his wife is li yinhe whos described here as chinas leading expert on sexuality in a very odd segue the book goes from discussing these people to talking about how nobody had any idea who was leading the tianamen square protest or what they wanted and this is like silence caused by mao or something

feel free to jump in at any point but the question im leading up to is what exactly were the beliefs of the tianamen square protestors in regard to gay stuff ive heard before that they werent exactly great on racial issues and it seems like if their views are well known enough we can say that much it seems plausible they might also have reactionary opinions on sexuality that wang and li might have decided would be a good reason to not want to get involved with any of that

# ? Sep 25, 2023 02:19

Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

fizzy posted:

Part 1: What is media literacy?

Let's start from the beginning.

This is the Shannon and Weaver Communication Model.

(Note that this is a model of communication. This material will have a few models; the thing about models is they're simplified representations that explain one set of relationships by sacrificing detail elsewhere. I am also simplifying these models, as many of the real ones get very complex.)

Shannon and Weaver is a classic. It�s the foundation of entire fields of theory. But let�s put some flesh on these bones. Why do we care about this?

Example 1

DnD mod GreyJoyBastard loves classic film The Princess Bride, and has always thought it deserves more appreciation. He writes a long, meandering OP in CineD discussing his love of the film, and promoting his idea, an HD re-release shown in theaters.

GJB has a message he wants to convey, but he can't just beam it into people's heads- he has to encode it into a message into a form other people can translate. This post passes through the channel or medium of the forums.

Unfortunately, this medium has a source of noise, or distortion, that warps or limits the content of the message. All communications have sources of noise, but SA has an especially bad one: radium�s code. The post that is ultimately displayed is scrambled.

Several users see the new thread. Among them is Jeffrey of YOSPOS, who sees the post and reads it, decoding it in the context of some�detailed�children's cartoon fanfiction GJB had been posting earlier. He decides he's had enough. GreyJoyBastard is demodded and permabanned.

What have we learned?

First, what you mean isn�t the same as what you say, or what your audience hears. Your ideas or beliefs or intentions have to be converted into a message, which travels through a medium that further distorts its content, and then has to be interpreted by the recipient.

Second, to communicate your meaning, you have to think about how the message will be received. It�s not enough to care passionately about your beliefs. Hell, caring passionately can make it harder to communicate! You need to be able to anticipate how your message will be mediated to construct your message so that it conveys your desired idea and your audience will understand it. GreyJoyBastard didn�t have too much of a chance because of radium, but if he�d included a short message at the top of his post saying �I understand this is not like my usual posting, but I promise this thread is not related to my collection of My Little Pony alternate universe harem novellas��it might have helped. He needed to think about how the forums could screw up his message, and how his target audience doesn�t share his well-known love of 1980s camp cinema and costumed horse romance.

If you don�t actively think about how your message will be mediated and received, and how it relates to your goals, you�re talking to yourself, not others. You're masturbating, not communicating. DPPH is closed. We try to discourage that practice these days.

Third and most importantly, all messages are mediated.

When we usually think of media, we think of getting information from an outside source, like a newspaper, that �mediates� the message. But every medium, every source, selects and influences how a message is shaped and ultimately received.

What�s more, messages are mediated many times over. When you see and post a tweet that contains a link to a news story, the reporter is a mediator for the message- but so is the source for the story, and the way they talked to the reporter, and the editor, and the newspaper�s social media account, and the person who retweets it, and the twitter format�and so are you, the person who posts that tweet on the forums.

When we think of media literacy, then it�s not just about understanding how the �news media� operates. We get information in all kinds of ways, and very little of it is only mediated by reporters. Media literacy is about understanding how the process of communication affects the messages we receive, and how we can better participate in communication, as message creators and receivers.

fizzy posted:

Part 2: The Rhetorical Situation

One useful way to understand any given media source is a framework called "The Rhetorical Situation". This framework was developed to develop and analyze persuasive messages, but it's also great for just improving critical thinking about media. In any situation where communication is happening, each person communicating has three factors to consider.

Exigence (i.e. goal)

The speaker has a particular goal in mind. This goal could be specific political reform, the overthrow of the capitalist state, feeling better about themselves, getting laid, anything. The important thing is that, as covered in the first part, the goal is not the same as the message. When a right-wing pundit wants to fearmonger about a minority, they rarely say �you should be afraid of this minority�. They tell a story about some made-up atrocity that motivates that fear in their audience.

Your goal is not the same as what you are trying to communicate, and it�s not the same as what you want your audience to believe, nor is it the same as the text of the message you send (yes, this is the same lesson as in Part 1).

Audience

Messages need to be written in terms and forms that convey their intended content to a specific audience. If you�re speaking to one person or to a well-defined group and the situation is simple, you can �tailor� your message specifically based on what you know about them. In most situations, though, there are multiple audiences, including both intended and unintended audiences whose response still matters and can influence whether or not your goals are achieved.

Balancing how different audiences will respond to a message becomes more difficult as the number of audiences becomes more diverse. Coded language (like racist dogwhistles, speaking in Spanish, or references to the specific slogans of a protest movement) let the speaker try to split their message�s interpretation for different audiences. Most of the time, though, they�re stuck crafting a message that will offend or appeal to some set of different audiences, and try to reach a balance of different statements, appealing to different audiences, such that their general goals are achieved. If a speech seems tone-deaf, well, it may just not be tuned for your ears. That doesn�t mean it�s necessarily badly composed.

All of this is made infinitely harder by the fact that almost all audiences are now mediated; audiences they are only getting message after it passes through someone else�s hands.

Constraints

Mediators (like the press) are one example of constraints on a message- limitations of format, sources of noise (another concept from Part 1) or misinterpretation, limited time or money or access, that can restrict the speaker�s options. Each of these constraints can screw up an otherwise well-designed message, but the biggest constraint, the greatest restriction, in most modern communication settings, is attention. Everyone involved in communication is trying to figure out how to get their audience to read, to click through, and to share- and that distorts both the initial message, and every other medium or media that it passes through. It�s incredibly hard to get nuance or details through to an audience that isn�t somehow motivated to stick around- and right now most online media just intensifies this constraint.

Exercise 1

Here�s a practice problem to get a feel for what this entails.

Congratulations. You�re Joe Biden. You have to give your first state of the union speech, and Peter Thiel just drained all the blood out of your speechwriter. It�s all on you now, and your speech is in an hour. What�s your goal? What are your different audiences? What are the constraints on your speech? What do you say?

�Why am I not hearing about x?!�

Politicians do not actually control the media- and media attention is an incredibly fickle constraint. There is a constant churn of attempts to get and maintain media attention, and the media ecosystem is more fragmented than ever. The vast majority of press announcements, even from the white house, do not get billing even in conventional press. Mediated, self-reinforced selection newsfeeds like twitter give an even more limited picture. When you blame someone for �not talking about� something, bear in mind that they may actually be talking about that thing- you�re just not hearing about it because your sources of information aren�t providing it to you. If you find yourself asking this question, check to see if the politician or- well, let�s be real, it�s usually the democrats that get blamed for this- the democrats are actually talking about it, and it�s just not getting covered. And understand that �well they should talk about it more� usually means they get to do, or even just talk about, other things less�and you�re not the only person with the only priorities that they need to reach. Good governance does not attract attention like a fat man riding an escalator does. Find better, more direct sources that will tell you more about what is going on. Stop watching the fat man on the escalator.

Consider the message creator�s rhetorical situation

If you think someone is doing or saying something horrible and insane, ask yourself why they are doing it. People are rarely completely irrational, especially in communication. There is usually some motivation, even if it is self-interested or unethical. If your answer requires a conspiracy or some sort of global all-encompassing evil, or if you just don�t have any information that tells you why, your understanding of the situation is incomplete- and the current information source you are using to understand the situation is probably misleading you. Maybe the speaker can�t talk about the subject of a deliberation without derailing it, or there�s a liability issue. Maybe they�re trying to reach out to someone who doesn�t share your values, but whose support is vital to their goals. Maybe they are monstrous and psychotic, but they�re usually gonna have some underlying reason beyond their psychosis! Putting yourself in the shoes of the speaker and thinking through their rhetorical situation will let you start to view any message they put out more critically.

learning a lot about asia, thanks

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gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

comedyblissoption posted:

https://twitter.com/SAMSyria0/status/1705242231739666749

Who must stay 🥰🥰🥰

# ? Sep 25, 2023 02:24

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

also could i have some help with this sentence please i have no idea what its supposed to mean

quote:

Unlike Beijing, whose intimate neighborhoods of alleyways have been replaced with fascist gargantua, Xi'an walls and temples still form a coherent urban space.

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brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

i say swears online posted:

i almost syq'd that DV post but it was too stupid to bother with

# ? Sep 25, 2023 02:43

GlassEye-Boy: Jul 12, 2001

Some Guy TT posted:

also could i have some help with this sentence please i have no idea what its supposed to mean

Lol still salty about them tearing down some of the hutongs back in the early 2000s.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 02:43

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Well Xi'an is famous for keeping its wall intact, all the other cities like Beijing have demolished their walls. But the rest of your sentence is gibberish.

Also I have never heard of the Tiananmen protest being linked to any homosexual group or discussion.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 02:45

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Remember when they opened a cspam media literacy thread and it was just copy and pasted from DnD?
You're bot going to trixk me again into reading that poo poo

genericnick has issued a correction as of 03:16 on Sep 25, 2023

# ? Sep 25, 2023 03:14

GlassEye-Boy: Jul 12, 2001

stephenthinkpad posted:

Well Xi'an is famous for keeping its wall intact, all the other cities like Beijing have demolished their walls. But the rest of your sentence is gibberish.

Also I have never heard of the Tiananmen protest being linked to any homosexual group or discussion.

hutongs are the old traditional neighborhoods in Beijing. a bunch were torn down in the early 2000s due to development as well as the Olympics. Libs took offense and made a big stink about destroying cultural relics, nevermind that most hutongs were not that old, having been constantly rebuilt, and were unsanitary slums.

Nowadays the remaining hutong neighborhoods are some of the most expensive property in China.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 04:55

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Some Guy TT posted:

also could i have some help with this sentence please i have no idea what its supposed to mean

Xian city centre is fun and easy to walk around in but Beijing sucks.

Beijing is a much bigger city though and maybe I don't know where the more walkable areas are

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:31

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Xian city centre is fun and easy to walk around in but Beijing sucks.

Beijing is a much bigger city though and maybe I don't know where the more walkable areas are

mainlanders seems to dislike beijing as a city for some reasons

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:39

oscarthewilde: May 16, 2012; I would often go there
To the tiny church there

Bald Stalin posted:

Their latest discussion point on CPC being heavily influenced by Nazi philosophy is just liberal horseshoe theory. Imagine if they applied this Nazi analysis to Western states in good faith. The fascism is coming from inside the house!

not to defend discendo vox or anything - he�s just about good for spending way too much time modding payday 2 into an actually playable game, but that�s it - but there has been a resurgence of interest in Schmittian thought in China. However, it�s much too easy to discount it as simple nazism, not only because the legal theoretical works being read are from before his turn from decisionism to concrete order thinking, but also because even with its controversial author, the theory itself is interesting and much more accurate than liberal legal positivism. the liberals simply describe the law and the state as they wish it to be, Schmitt describes what we don�t want, but nevertheless what it is

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:36

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

there's been an interest in schmitt among western leftist academics too, like jodi dean and especially chantal mouffe.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:56

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Fascist Gargantua is a great user name

# ? Sep 25, 2023 07:34

oscarthewilde: May 16, 2012; I would often go there
To the tiny church there

mawarannahr posted:

there's been an interest in schmitt among western leftist academics too, like jodi dean and especially chantal mouffe.

yes, though the left-Schmittians - or Western conservatives too for that matter - focus more on Schmitt�s political existentialism and critique of liberalism while leaving his legal theory by the wayside (if we leave Agamben out of the discussion). what�s interesting about the Chinese approach is that they�re really making use of both, and particular Schmitt�s notion of sovereignty, the exception and the impossibility of an autopoeietic domain of Recht that limits and controls politics and the state.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 07:46

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

It does make sense in the context of challenging a liberal competitor, and what is the most efficient course of action of how to deal with it. Arguably, in Schmitt's case, the Third Reich was in reality no leviathan, it was completely dominant in appearance, but in reality was a thin fa�ade for German industry. The actual German state were the boards of I.G Farben, Krupp, and Porsche.

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# ? May 26, 2024 00:50

fizzy: Dec 2, 2022; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Good news for fans of accounting - The US wants to see accountability

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/blinken-addresses-canada-accusation-india-hardeep-singh-nijjar-murder-vancouver/

Blinken: U.S. expects "accountability" from India after Canada accuses it of being involved in death of Sikh activist
BY SIMRIN SINGH
UPDATED ON: SEPTEMBER 23, 2023 / 6:30 PM / CBS NEWS

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken addressed the growing tension between Canada and India on Friday, saying the U.S. is "deeply concerned" about the allegations made by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that India was involved in the murder of a Canadian citizen earlier this year.

Blinken, who spoke publicly at a news conference in New York City, is the highest-ranking U.S. official to discuss the matter, which has been escalating since Monday, when Trudeau accused the Indian government of being involved in the June 18 killing of Sikh activist and leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

Nijjar was gunned down in the parking lot of a gurdwara, a Sikh place of worship, in Surrey, a suburb of Vancouver in British Columbia. He was a vocal Sikh activist and proponent of the Khalistan movement, which aims to create an independent Sikh homeland in the Punjab state of India. The separatist movement began after the Indo-Pakistan partition of 1947, and is considered a controversial issue in India.

In addition to publicly accusing India this week, Canada expelled a senior diplomat from India and issued a travel advisory for the country, citing a threat of terror attacks.

India strongly denied involvement in Nijjar's murder, and in response, expelled a senior diplomat from Canada.

India on Thursday suspended visas for Canadian citizens and issued a travel advisory for Canada, citing security threats against its diplomats there.

The U.S. is actively coordinating with Canada as they continue to investigate Nijjar's death, Blinken said, and he encouraged India to work with Canada.

"From our perspective, it is critical that the Canadian investigation proceed, and it would be important that India work with the Canadians on this investigation," Blinken said in response to a question from a journalist about the issue. "We want to see accountability, and it's important that the investigation run its course and lead to that result."

He added that while the U.S. is focused on this specific case, it also sees Nijjar's shooting death as an opportunity to discourage other countries from engaging in acts that violate international rules-based order.

"We are extremely vigilant about any instances of alleged transnational repression, something we take very, very seriously," Blinken said. "And I think it's important more broadly for the international system that any country that might consider engaging in such acts not do so."

Blinken was asked about how this growing tension might impact relations between the U.S. and India, which has become an important strategic and economic partner in Asia for the U.S. In June, both countries signed the U.S.-India Comprehensive Global and Strategic Partnership, and released a statement saying the agreement "affirmed a vision of the United States and India as among the closest partners in the world."

Blinken said he does not want to characterize or speak to the larger diplomatic conversations yet, and said the U.S. is still focused on seeing Canada's investigation move forward. However, he said the U.S. has "been engaged directly with the Indian government as well."

# ? Sep 25, 2023 09:11

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