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Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007

Craptacular! posted:

Why is it Democrats are slower to gang up on Menendez than they were on Al Franken. jfc

The first one to call for Franken to resign was Gillibrand, and she didn't do it out of some deeply held principle. She was running for the Dem nominee for president and thought that Dem voters cared about the MeToo stuff. Everyone seen what happened to her in the primary and now the rest don't want to speak out against fellow Democrats because their voters value party loyalty above all else.

edit: Gillibrand called for Franken's resignation a little before she announced her candidacy.

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Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

Craptacular! posted:

Why is it Democrats are slower to gang up on Menendez than they were on Al Franken. jfc

Because bribery feels like a run-of-the-mill politician scandal while groping a woman is far more shocking

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Chemtrailologist posted:

The first one to call for Franken to resign was Gillibrand, and she didn't do it out of some deeply held principle. She was running for the Dem nominee for president and thought that Dem voters cared about the MeToo stuff. Everyone seen what happened to her in the primary and now the rest don't want to speak out against fellow Democrats because their voters value party loyalty above all else.

edit: Gillibrand called for Franken's resignation a little before she announced her candidacy.

Also notable:

The big flood of calls for Franken's resignation were coordinated and organized over a period of weeks as the accusations mounted.

Mendendez is indicted and likely to go to jail where it will force everyone's hands on resignation or expulsion no matter what anyone says. Everyone was aware that Franken was never likely to see trial for what he did: forcing him out of office was the only real remedy.

Related to above, as said, for a long list of reasons accusations of bribery and accusations of sexual assault are generally viewed differently even if you want both to be punished.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I react more strongly to sexual-assault allegations out of a perception that you need a hue-and-cry in order for anything to happen at all.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005
There was also straight up photo documentation of Franken's behavior

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Papercut posted:

There was also straight up photo documentation of Franken's behavior

Yes, but I would also say lots of FBI pictures of gold bars and stacks of cash found in your coat pockets is pretty good documentation. :v:

pencilhands
Aug 20, 2022

i just remembered im banned from d&d im sorry mods

pencilhands fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Sep 25, 2023

small butter
Oct 8, 2011

Does anyone know how the Biden administration got the Bridge Access Program created for the uninsured? At one point, the administration said that Congress had not allocated any more money for Covid boosters. So where did this money come from? Was CDC funding shifted around?

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

small butter posted:

Does anyone know how the Biden administration got the Bridge Access Program created for the uninsured? At one point, the administration said that Congress had not allocated any more money for Covid boosters. So where did this money come from? Was CDC funding shifted around?

According to the press bulletin announcing the "HHS Bridge Access Program For COVID-19 Vaccines and Treatments Program", yeah it's coming from the CDC until Congress funds the "Vaccines for Adults" program ( LOL in rage ).

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023...-uninsured.html

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




Looks like the WGA and the studios have a tentative deal:

The LA Times posted:

The Writers Guild of America and the major Hollywood studios have reached a tentative deal that would end a strike that has lasted more than 140 days, tossed thousands of people out of work and exposed deep anxiety over changes brought by technology, sources said Sunday.

The proposed three-year contract, which would still have to be ratified by the union’s 11,500 members, would boost pay rates and residual payments for streaming shows and impose new rules surrounding the use of artificial intelligence.

[...]

The full article doesn't have a ton of details beyond that, but from that summary it seems like the writers got a lot of what they were asking for, which is awesome. Of course, this is all still tentative (and light on details) so we will see as this develops.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
The main thing I'm curious to see is if stuff about numbers got in. Streaming services have been notoriously quiet on the actual viewership rates, iirc, which also lets them gently caress over royalties.

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
MORE INDISPUTABLE PROOF I AM BAD AT POSTING
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I just want my late night talk shows and snl back for election season and tromp trials

koolkal
Oct 21, 2008

this thread maybe doesnt have room for 2 green xbox one avs
https://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/newsroom/cfpb-kicks-off-rulemaking-to-remove-medical-bills-from-credit-reports/

CFPB posted:

The document released today is an outline of proposals and alternatives under consideration for the CFPB’s medical debt rulemaking. If finalized, they would:

* Remove medical bills from consumers’ credit reports: Consumer reporting companies would be prohibited from including medical debts and collection information on consumer reports that creditors use in making underwriting decisions.
* Stop creditors from relying on medical bills for underwriting decisions: The proposal would narrow the 2005 exception and prohibit creditors from using medical collections information when evaluating borrowers’ credit applications.
* Stop coercive collection practices: As unpaid medical bills would no longer appear on consumers’ credit reports used by creditors in making underwriting decisions, debt collectors would no longer be able to use the credit reporting system as leverage to pressure consumers into paying questionable debts.

Proposed changes from the CFPB regarding medical debt on credit reports.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

VikingofRock posted:

Looks like the WGA and the studios have a tentative deal:

The full article doesn't have a ton of details beyond that, but from that summary it seems like the writers got a lot of what they were asking for, which is awesome. Of course, this is all still tentative (and light on details) so we will see as this develops.

Just listened to a brief update on the Scriptnotes podcast about this. No extra information, but since John August is on the WGA board of directors and he was positive about the whole thing, seems good for them

WebDO
Sep 25, 2009


Craptacular! posted:

Why is it Democrats are slower to gang up on Menendez than they were on Al Franken. jfc

But then nobody will give them gold bars in exchange for votes

Also not sure what the big deal is, they don't mention finding the gold bars in bags that say "bribe for (whatever)" so I'm pretty sure there's Supreme Court precedent that says it's impossible to call that evidence of corruption

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

AlternateNu posted:

Yes, but I would also say lots of FBI pictures of gold bars and stacks of cash found in your coat pockets is pretty good documentation. :v:

menendez is also completely hosed which takes a bit of the urgency out of the situation

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

WebDO posted:

But then nobody will give them gold bars in exchange for votes

Also not sure what the big deal is, they don't mention finding the gold bars in bags that say "bribe for (whatever)" so I'm pretty sure there's Supreme Court precedent that says it's impossible to call that evidence of corruption

It is pretty loving amazing that Menendez appears to have read the ridiculous Supreme Court bribery ruling, and then done everything but the bag with a dollar sign on it. I mean, dude too loving gold bars for straight up quid pro quo and had his wife text about it. If the assholes in robes let this go then not even cartoon bribery is illegal.

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005

Gyges posted:

It is pretty loving amazing that Menendez appears to have read the ridiculous Supreme Court bribery ruling, and then done everything but the bag with a dollar sign on it. I mean, dude too loving gold bars for straight up quid pro quo and had his wife text about it. If the assholes in robes let this go then not even cartoon bribery is illegal.

Maybe Menendez is wagering that because Thomas is openly accepting bribes, he can get four more justices to rule that bribery is protected political speech.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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The U.S. is recognizing extremist Kiwi separatist movements.

I think it is obvious why the U.S. is once again supporting coups in the global south: Natural resources.

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1706298941241725377

This is a war all about fueling the U.S.'s need for a steady supply of frozen fish and recreational boats.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

azflyboy posted:

Maybe Menendez is wagering that because Thomas is openly accepting bribes, he can get four more justices to rule that bribery is protected political speech.

He doesn't need to, it's already been pretty well established that unless someone is on video clearly and unambiguously saying "Here is the bribe that I am currently engaged in bribing you with in exchange for political favors. This bribe right here. Kuzco's bribe. The bribe for Kuzco.", then you can't really "know" it's a bribe.

That, and he's probably just waiting on it to blow over.
The news cycle will move on, some politician will get caught doing blow at a church bake sale, and only the terminally online will remember Menendez's gold bars enough to care.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


The juice must flow

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


Are there any votes scheduled in the House today to work on the debt ceiling?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Laughing Zealot posted:

Are there any votes scheduled in the House today to work on the debt ceiling?

Debt ceiling is covered for another two years.

The spending bills they are debating are over government funding.

Republicans can't pass their own government funding bill, so they are today trying to pass four separate bills - one funding only agriculture, one funding only defense, one funding only homeland security, and one funding only the state department. The logic is that they can probably pass these bills and send them to the Senate, where they will be rejected, and they can claim it isn't the House's fault entirely if the government shuts down.

The short version is:

- The debt ceiling deal passed earlier this year called for slowing the growth of new spending, without direct spending cuts, but didn't specify what spending to cut. This year, the funding was supposed to only increase 1% total from last year.

- Defense hawks wanted to add a lot more defense spending, House Freedom Caucus Members wanted to reduce spending with actual cuts compared to last year's budget instead of slowing the growth (and also add immigration changes for some reason), and Democrats wanted to increase social spending. So, basically everyone wanted to modify the numbers in some way.

- Nobody can agree on how to modify them, so the Republicans keep killing their own funding bills. If they don't pass one in the next week, the government will shutdown.

- They can pass a continuing resolution, which is a short-term bill that just funds the government at the same levels for a few months to prevent a shutdown and buy more time. However, many Republicans don't want to do that because it will take away their leverage and also not result in any spending cuts.

- There is no deal on a CR or overall spending levels within the Republican caucus itself, let alone both the House and the Senate, so now we are in a phase where Republicans are basically just trying to set up a scenario where they can plausibly argue that a government shutdown was not entirely their fault.

Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004
Basically every democratic official in NJ has called for Menendez to resign, including the Governor, so I don't know where the idea is coming from that there isn't anyone on the democratic side pressuring him to leave.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Yawgmoft posted:

Basically every democratic official in NJ has called for Menendez to resign, including the Governor, so I don't know where the idea is coming from that there isn't anyone on the democratic side pressuring him to leave.

It's been a bunch of Democratic House members and basically every Democratic official from New Jersey, but no Democratic Senator has commented yet - except for Chuck Schumer who just said that he is being removed from his chairmanship "until the matter is resolved" in court.

The focus is on his colleagues in the Senate (who aren't saying anything one way or the other yet) when they mention that "nobody is talking about it."

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The U.S. is recognizing extremist Kiwi separatist movements.

I think it is obvious why the U.S. is once again supporting coups in the global south: Natural resources.

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1706298941241725377

This is a war all about fueling the U.S.'s need for a steady supply of frozen fish and recreational boats.



What’s a banana republic but for Fillet O’Fish patties?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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The Atlantic has an article out that ties in to the Credit Card Competition Act discussion from the other day and why the airline employee unions and airline companies are so involved in being opposed to it.

The major airlines' credit and points businesses are now worth more than the actual airline flight services at several major companies.

quote:

Airlines Are Just Banks Now

They make more money from mileage programs than from flying planes—and it shows.

Last week, Delta Air Lines announced changes to its SkyMiles program that will make accruing status and taking advantage of perks much harder. Instead of relying on a combination of dollars spent and miles traveled in the air, Delta will grant status based on a single metric—dollars spent—and raise the amount of spending required to get it. In short, SkyMiles is no longer a frequent-flier program; it’s a big-spender program. These changes are so drastic that one of the reporters at the preeminent travel-rewards website The Points Guy declared that he’s going to “stop chasing airline status.”

When even the points insiders are sick of playing the mileage game, something has clearly gone wrong. In fact, frequent-flier programs are a symptom of a much deeper rot in the American air-travel industry. And although getting mad at airlines is perfectly reasonable, the blame ultimately lies with Congress.

From the late 1930s through the ’70s, the federal government regulated airlines as a public utility. The Civil Aeronautics Board decided which airlines could fly what routes and how much they could charge. It aimed to set prices that were fair for travelers and that would provide airlines with a modest profit. Then, in 1978, Congress passed a sweeping law deregulating the airline industry and ultimately abolishing the CAB. Unleashed from regulation, airlines devised new tactics to capture the market. American Airlines was one of the most aggressive. In the lead-up to the deregulation bills, it created discount “super saver” fares to sell off the final few remaining seats on planes. That meant cheap prices for last-minute travelers and more revenue for American, because the planes were going to take off whether or not the seat was filled. But these fares upset business travelers, who tended to buy tickets further in advance for higher prices. So in 1981, American developed AAdvantage, its frequent-flier program, to give them additional benefits. Other airlines followed suit.

In the early years, these programs were simple, like the punch card at a café where your 11th coffee is free. But three big changes transformed them into the systems we know today. First, in 1987, American partnered with Citibank to offer a branded credit card that offered points redeemable for flights on the airline. Second, in the ’90s, the airlines proliferated the number of fare classes, charging differential prices for tickets. With more complicated fare structures came the third change: Virgin America realized that the amount people spend on a flight, based on the fare class, is more important to their bottom line than the number of miles flown. So, in 2007, it introduced a loyalty program rewarding money spent rather than mileage accrued.

These three shifts fundamentally transformed the airline industry. They turned frequent-flier systems into the sprawling points systems they are today. And they turned airlines into something more like financial institutions that happen to fly planes on the side.

Here’s how the system works now: Airlines create points out of nothing and sell them for real money to banks with co-branded credit cards. The banks award points to cardholders for spending, and both the banks and credit-card companies make money off the swipe fees from the use of the card. Cardholders can redeem points for flights, as well as other goods and services sold through the airlines’ proprietary e-commerce portals.

For the airlines, this is a great deal. They incur no costs from points until they are redeemed—or ever, if the points are forgotten. This setup has made loyalty programs highly lucrative. Consumers now charge nearly 1 percent of U.S. GDP to Delta’s American Express credit cards alone. A 2020 analysis by the Financial Times found that Wall Street lenders valued the major airlines’ mileage programs more highly than the airlines themselves. United’s MileagePlus program, for example, was valued at $22 billion, while the company’s market cap at the time was only $10.6 billion.

Is this a good deal for the American consumer? That’s a trickier question. Paying for a flight or a hotel room with points may feel like a free bonus, but because credit-card-swipe fees increase prices across the economy—Visa or Mastercard takes a cut of every sale—redeeming points is more like getting a little kickback. Certainly the system is bad for Americans who don’t have points-earning cards. They pay higher prices on ordinary goods and services but don’t get the points, effectively subsidizing the perks of card users, who tend to be wealthier already.

Like the federal reserve, airlines issue currency—points—out of thin air. They also get to decide how much that currency is worth and what it can be spent on. This helps explain why the points system feels so opaque and, often, unfair. Online analysts try to offer estimates of points’ cash value, but airlines can reduce these values after the fact and change how points can be redeemed. Airlines even sell points at above their exchange-rate valuation, meaning that people are paying for something worth less than the money they’re buying it with, in part because it’s so hard to know what the real value is.

In this context, it’s easy to see why Delta is making changes. The shift to a focus on spending, rather than mileage, has long been coming, because of the rise of multiple fare classes and the decoupling of mileage and revenue. Limiting benefits and increasing the requirements for status, meanwhile, looks like a way to spread out costs: 1 percent of GDP spending is a lot of outstanding points that could be redeemed.

Still, you might wonder how airlines can get away with angering their customers by devaluing loyalty programs. Aren’t they worried that those customers will get a little less loyal? Well, not really. The U.S. has only four major carriers, which account for more than three-quarters of the market, and they tend to move in lockstep. Indeed, American Airlines recently made a similar change to its mileage program. Customers don’t have many other places to go.

In this and other respects, the strange evolution of airlines into quasi-banks reflects how badly deregulation has gone. Regulation carefully set the terms under which airlines could do business. It was designed to ensure that they remained a stable business and a reliable mode of transportation. Deregulation, in turn, allowed the airlines to pursue profits in whatever way they could—including getting into the financial sector.

The proponents of deregulation made a few big promises. The cost of flying would go down once airlines were free to compete on price. The industry would get less monopolistic as hundreds of new players entered the market, and it would be stable even without the government guaranteeing profitable rates. Small cities wouldn’t lose service. In the deregulators’ minds, airlines were like any other business. If they were allowed to compete freely, the magic of the market would make everything better. Whatever was good for the airlines’ bottom line would be good for consumers.

They were wrong. As I explain in my forthcoming book, most of their predictions didn’t come true, because air travel isn’t a normal business. There are barriers to entry, such as the fixed supply of airport runways and gates. (And, for that matter, mileage programs, designed to keep customers from ditching an established airline for a rival.) There are network effects and economies of scale. There are high capital costs. (Airplanes aren’t cheap.) The idea that anyone could successfully start an airline and outcompete the big incumbents never made much sense.

After a relatively short period of fierce competition, the deregulated era quickly turned to consolidation and cost-cutting, as dozens of airlines either went bankrupt or were acquired. Service keeps getting worse, because the airlines, facing little competition, have nothing to fear from antagonizing passengers with cramped legroom, cancellations, and ever-multiplying fees for baggage and snacks. Worse still, without mandated service, cities and regions across the country have lost commercial air service, with serious consequences for their economies. And when a crisis like 9/11 or the coronavirus pandemic comes along, the airlines—which prefer to direct their profits to stock buybacks rather than rainy-day funds—need massive financial relief from the federal government.

Deregulation even failed to deliver the one thing it is sometimes credited with: lowering prices. Airfare did get cheaper in the years after the 1978 deregulation law. But the cost of flying had already been falling before deregulation, and it kept falling after at about the same rate.

The old system of airline regulation wasn’t perfect. Barred from competing directly on price, the airlines got into an amenities arms race that notoriously included in-flight piano bars. But the cure was worse than the disease. The industry went from being a regulated oligopoly, which had real problems, to an unregulated oligopoly, which we are now seeing is much worse.

Airlines serve a vital public need, just like railroads, the electric grid, and communication networks. They also exist within a system of special privileges from the government. The public has built and paid for a substantial federal infrastructure to coordinate flights safely. Historically, these are all standard reasons to regulate an industry. A modernized set of rules could arrest the trajectory of airlines becoming financialized e-commerce platforms—and maybe even get them to focus on making air travel less miserable.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/airlines-banks-mileage-programs/675374/

I AM GRANDO posted:

What’s a banana republic but for Fillet O’Fish patties?

A fish fry fiefdom?

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's been a bunch of Democratic House members and basically every Democratic official from New Jersey, but no Democratic Senator has commented yet - except for Chuck Schumer who just said that he is being removed from his chairmanship "until the matter is resolved" in court.

The focus is on his colleagues in the Senate (who aren't saying anything one way or the other yet) when they mention that "nobody is talking about it."

Not true
https://twitter.com/SenFettermanPA/status/1705662182434734108

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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You're right, thanks for the correction. Fetterman didn't release the statement until the weekend, though. So when people were complaining about no Senators saying anything during the work week last week, they were still right.

It also appears that Fetterman is the only one to do so as of now.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Sep 25, 2023

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1706330319358394600

Stacks of US currency are excellent insulators, which is why I stuffed my official congressional windbreaker with my name embroidered on it with bands

-OR-

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1706001778888851751

He was just following this idea

zoux fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Sep 25, 2023

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
I have a completely rational and mundane reason for having Swiss gold bars. Prosecutors are also missing the expansive context of the ongoing texting joke between my wife and I, where we are cracking some real good bits about me performing official duties for compensation.

single-mode fiber
Dec 30, 2012

I AM GRANDO posted:

What’s a banana republic but for Fillet O’Fish patties?

What if it were you
Li-ined up on this wall
If it were you in that blindfold
You wouldn't be laughing at alllll

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Gyges posted:

I have a completely rational and mundane reason for having Swiss gold bars. Prosecutors are also missing the expansive context of the ongoing texting joke between my wife and I, where we are cracking some real good bits about me performing official duties for compensation.

https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1706332818735784306

Hmmm some unexpected expenses this month, time to dip into The Hoard. Also lmao at Cuban exile PTSD. Biden's coming for your plantations Bob!

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It also appears that Fetterman is the only one to do so as of now.

He's suggesting it's because Menendez holds a grudge:

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1706329180621660397

Judgy Fucker
Mar 24, 2006


Please don't give Markwayne Mullin any funny ideas

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

George Santos continues to serve his function as a capitol press cat toy

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1706024865558299009

Now you may be wondering why those two people with him look familiar...

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1706332818735784306

Hmmm some unexpected expenses this month, time to dip into The Hoard. Also lmao at Cuban exile PTSD. Biden's coming for your plantations Bob!

Marco Rubio hears the call of an oppressed Batista-era Cuban and leaps into action to pretend it's just like what his parents claimed to face

Kaiju Cage Match
Nov 5, 2012




zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1706332818735784306

Hmmm some unexpected expenses this month, time to dip into The Hoard. Also lmao at Cuban exile PTSD. Biden's coming for your plantations Bob!

It's funny because Menendez was born in the U.S. before the revolution happened.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Sinema is testing the 3rd-party waters with this pitch



Even she knows that she has more conservative support than liberal. Also there's a mega huge typo in this plea to donors, maybe they won't notice.

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GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
when your pitch is a mathematical explainer making the argument that your campaign is technically feasible, you might as well just cede the race

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