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https://twitter.com/RinKarigani/status/1705846807354315068 He's worn Givenchy before without it meaning anything I just liked the tinfoil.
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Waffleman_ posted:I feel like I'm insane, because G'raha doesn't really make that much of an impression on me, good or bad. He's around, and he's like fine. I don't really notice him being like clingy at all, he's just there. Weirdly, while there's characters I do put in this 'never does anything strong enough to make any impression' category (Krile and Erenville come to mind most clearly; naturally, most other examples don't), and functionally speaking G'raha should be in this space, it feels like there's a very different energy when they clearly want me to like this fairly inoffensive character and do a lot of work towards that, but not towards making them interesting. It's like, passive blandness against active blandness, if that makes sense. It's the same reason I really hate when the protagonist of a game is its least interesting character.
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Sep 25, 2023 04:18
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Zeruel posted:that's me with hauchefant to be honest. it didnt help that his introduction was him leering at my female character. I've heard Haurchefant is substantially toned down in the English localization compared to other languages, and I should probably try to hunt down a side-by-side. I didn't find him particularly bad in English, but what I've heard about the other versions sounds insufferable.
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Sep 25, 2023 04:21
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I think I remember a cutscene where Haurchefant said something like "share the warmth of my hearth" while the camera panned over to the shirtless soldiers doing squats in the corner and that showed me his priorities
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Cleretic posted:Weirdly, while there's characters I do put in this 'never does anything strong enough to make any impression' category (Krile and Erenville come to mind most clearly; naturally, most other examples don't), and functionally speaking G'raha should be in this space, it feels like there's a very different energy when they clearly want me to like this fairly inoffensive character and do a lot of work towards that, but not towards making them interesting. Part of this may be that I had already so completely mentally rejected the idea of my WoL being romantically involved with a man that it doesn't even register to me.
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Sep 25, 2023 04:35
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Cleretic posted:G'raha's got the same problem to me as the 'canon' romance choice in any game with multiple romance options There are no romance choices in FF14. Well there was 1 but Yoshi P sent me a certificate saying I'm the only one that can date Estinien so we're back down to 0.
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Antivehicular posted:I've heard Haurchefant is substantially toned down in the English localization compared to other languages, and I should probably try to hunt down a side-by-side. I didn't find him particularly bad in English, but what I've heard about the other versions sounds insufferable. He's arguably a better character in the Japanese version. Comes on a little stronger, but he's also a lot more animated and emotive.
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Antivehicular posted:I've heard Haurchefant is substantially toned down in the English localization compared to other languages, and I should probably try to hunt down a side-by-side. I didn't find him particularly bad in English, but what I've heard about the other versions sounds insufferable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1zMMLv3bno&t=2091s Prior to Heavensward, Haurchefant was a bit...well, yeah
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Sep 25, 2023 04:39
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Waffleman_ posted:Part of this may be that I had already so completely mentally rejected the idea of my WoL being romantically involved with a man that it doesn't even register to me. So have I, but I think that just adds extra repellant for me when I know the intention of 'you can read a romantic interest into this' rather than making it easier to ignore. Like, I was never in any world going to like Emet or Zenos, but being aware of that angle just knocks them even further down. And characters that otherwise would probably leave me neutral like Haurchefant and G'raha drop specifically because of that, and it doesn't even help the characters I do like; in this case that's pretty much just Aymeric, but he's gone form 'cool guy, I like him' to being just a little annoying every time he turns up. I'm not sure how I'd react to them doing the same with a female character, because the sample size there is so much lower; just going by Y'shtola, I feel like it wouldn't bother me but I would be more interested in them having that romantic subtext being oriented towards another NPC instead of the WoL. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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Bruceski posted:He had Resting Betrayal Face to me so I read all of his actions in the most cynical, Romulan-esque way possible. "Haurchefant really put everything on the line to convince Father to allow you here" yeah I bet he did. Bet he told you not to tell me that, too. This was me with Aymeric. The minute we met him I was sure he was going to betray us to the pope and Lahabrea.
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idc about g'raha but the game is rather lacking in terms of both friendly rivals and good guys who despite being good just don't care for the wol, which are both fun dynamics, and imo that lack of friction makes how much everyone else likes you a little more cloying. almost every time someone dislikes the wol they're literally evil or misguided, let an otherwise upstanding character just find our whole deal loving annoying luckily a good chunk of that can be chalked up to the fact that the last expansion was "every single character from every single main quest, raid series, trial series, and job quest pile into the MSQ for one HUGE fight against an existential threat" and a lot of it narratively was about choosing to trust and support other people because life is inherently fragile and we should all stand together, while the next expansion has us likely to be sincerely well-meaning interlopers in a land and conflict we don't really understand, so there's a lot of room to put more low-level personal conflict with well-intentioned NPCs in Valentin fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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FWIW, and I am and play my WoL as aro, I just read him as a bit extra (eventually adding "To make up for the political poo poo he's had to deal with") and the squat thing was just an amusing background event kind of like how sometimes characters would talk in the background.
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Cleretic posted:So have I, but I think that just adds extra repellant for me when I know the intentioon of 'you can read a romantic interest into this' rather than making it easier to ignore. I guess I'm confused by this statement because it happens with female characters all the time. Like I can't count how many NPCs or even major characters flirt with the WoL or at least have dialogue that can be read as flirting as much as friendship. Edit: If we're just talking about the scions it doesn't come up as often because weirdly enough all the major female NPCs in the current Scions except for Y'shtola are children or Lalafell and even then you can pretty easily read Alisae as having a childish crush on your character. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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Valentin posted:idc about g'raha but the game is rather lacking in terms of both friendly rivals and good guys who despite being good just don't care for the wol, which are both fun dynamics, and imo that lack of friction makes how much everyone else likes you a little more cloying. almost every time someone dislikes the wol they're literally evil or misguided, let an otherwise upstanding character just find our whole deal loving annoying That's why the coolest character in FFXIV is that one Ala Mhigan guy in Ul Dah who calls the WoL out for being a tool of the Syndicates.
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The coolest character in Ffxiv is the guy who says ‘Ishgard remembers, WoL’ and then blows up a wall with a cannon
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Firebert posted:The coolest character in Ffxiv is the guy who says ‘Ishgard remembers, WoL’ and then blows up a wall with a cannon Truth.
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ImpAtom posted:I guess I'm confused by this statement because it happens with female characters all the time. Like I can't count how many NPCs or even major characters flirt with the WoL or at least have dialogue that can be read as flirting as much as friendship. I dunno, I might be kinda blind to the stuff that's on a lower scale than 'obvious shipping bait' on the level of G'raha or Haurchefant. That level in particular is definitely really male-dominated, though.
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Cleretic posted:I dunno, I might be kinda blind to the stuff that's on a lower scale than 'obvious shipping bait' on the level of G'raha or Haurchefant. That level in particular is definitely really male-dominated, though. I guess I have to disagree because to me the level of which they blatantly push Y'shtola as a 'ship bait' is more than G'raha ever was. She's targeting a different demographic but her threatening to 'put you over her knee' or being shown naked multiple times or having scenes where books adorably fall on her head or whatever is so blunt and obvious that it's absurd.
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I think Y'shtola is pushed towards the player more than she is pushed towards the WoL, if that makes sense.
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Hellioning posted:I think Y'shtola is pushed towards the player more than she is pushed towards the WoL, if that makes sense. Yep. She's the team mom, and there's an enormous number of people who play this game who are into that.
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Firebert posted:The coolest character in Ffxiv is the guy who says ‘Ishgard remembers, WoL’ and then blows up a wall with a cannon That dude too
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Kazinsal posted:Yep. She's the team mom, and there's an enormous number of people who play this game who are into that. Um, I think you will find Urianger is the Team Mom. Y’shtola is the wine aunt.
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Hellioning posted:I think Y'shtola is pushed towards the player more than she is pushed towards the WoL, if that makes sense. I get what you mean but I'm not sure the same isn't true of the other characters. Like I would argue a lot of Emet Selch stuff is not connected to how he acts to the WoL but how people feel about the character based off his actions/the short stories/the convenient Azem excuse. (Zenos, now, Zenos is absolutely WoL fightfucksexual)
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I barely notice anything from Y'shtola, half the time it feels like she doesn't want to be near the rest of the Scions (WoL included) because it takes time away from her real work.
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ImpAtom posted:I guess I have to disagree because to me the level of which they blatantly push Y'shtola as a 'ship bait' is more than G'raha ever was. She's targeting a different demographic but her threatening to 'put you over her knee' or being shown naked multiple times or having scenes where books adorably fall on her head or whatever is so blunt and obvious that it's absurd. Yes, congratulations, you named the one female character that I agreed, in that earlier post, does get that sort of treatment, although I'd instead point to the Stormblood short story that basically directly said Y'shtola at least briefly thought of the WoL like that. And who I think they backed away on using like that as time went on; she's more put with other characters than us now, and is better for it, I find her and Runar or Zero more engaging than her and the WoL. All that's compared to at least five guys, reasonably probably more. Alphinaud and Alisaie are edge cases, but either they both count or neither do, so they cancel each other out anyway. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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Cleretic posted:Yes, congratulations, you named the one female character that I agreed, in that earlier post, does get that sort of treatment. (And who I think they backed away on using like that as time went on; she's more put with other characters than us now, and is better for it.) That's compared to at least five guys, reasonably probably more. Most of the stuff I mentioned is literally from the 6.x patches so they really haven't. And it's elsewhere too. Like Lyse had a lot of stuff in Stormblood that felt flirty and the big ol' "let's spar" thing people were calling flirty from the moment the CGI trailer came out. Minfilia had stuff too. And then there's characters like Sadu and Hilda who are super straightforward about their flirting and the only reason I wouldn't consider Sadu on the same tier is becasue she is currently quite happy with her Mol girlfriend last we saw.
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Asahi seems nice. Good to see a normal-rear end garlean for once in a while
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:There are no romance choices in FF14. 
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"Obvious shipping bait" is in the eye of the beholder. What one person sees as presentation of a character as a romantic interest can be seen by others as a humanization of the character. The human tendency for pattern recognition tends to work in weird ways and attempts to see things that might not even be intended by the writer. Anyway there isn't a point in getting too worked up about 'shipping' in this case because given the WoL could very well be married to someone throughout all this, so even if there is 'obvious shipping bait' it is never going to evolve beyond that.
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At the end of the day shipping bait is just bait and you can bite or not. It’s really not a big deal.
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goblin week posted:Asahi seems nice. Good to see a normal-rear end garlean for once in a while whatever. gently caress me i guess
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goblin week posted:whatever. gently caress me i guess 
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:There are no romance choices in FF14. If Square ever starts pulling funding to CBU3, Yoshi-P just needs to start auctioning off "Official Romantic Partner of X NPC" certificates. Valid and binding on social media! Firebert posted:The coolest character in Ffxiv is the guy who says ‘Ishgard remembers, WoL’ and then blows up a wall with a cannon ngl I really liked this moment the first time I ran that dungeon, it's a good set piece
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goblin week posted:whatever. gently caress me i guess 
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Cleretic posted:Yes, congratulations, you named the one female character that I agreed, i As always with your bad takes, all you have to do is read the text in game and you'd know you're wrong. ImpAtom posted:Most of the stuff I mentioned is literally from the 6.x patches so they really haven't. Remembering the Valentine's Day event with the Adventuring Guild heads and all of Mother Miounne's dialogue was just her being shocked you'd be into an older woman but also she was very flattered.
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Antivehicular posted:If Square ever starts pulling funding to CBU3, Yoshi-P just needs to start auctioning off "Official Romantic Partner of X NPC" certificates. Valid and binding on social media! The highest final bids go to Emet, G'raha, Estinien, and weirdly Minfilia. Well, either that or Minfilia doesn't sell because the Minfilia fans have been so deep into their own fanfiction hole for so long that they recognize the certificate would hold no value.
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the only scion i've ever actively hated was Lyse everyone else is good to great
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Kerrzhe posted:the only scion i've ever actively hated was Lyse Minfilia and Papalymo were terrible.
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Failboattootoot posted:Minfilia and Papalymo were terrible. you're right about Minfilia, it's been so long and she redeemed herself later by dying and never coming back papalymo i liked and was sad when the same happened to him
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