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GD_American posted:I'm assuming this doesn't lead to a romp in the rear automatically, though? Like, wouldn't Russia be preparing new lines of defense as the original ones were penetrated? there are other lines behind this one, but their quality is unknown (to me), and it looks like the Russians really prioritized this first one. Building all these fortifications wasn't that fast or easy, I would be surprised to see whole new fortifications springing up in a meaningful way, especially to enclose the salient and reform a unified front. usual I'm a dumbass disclaimers, though.
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tiaz posted:there are other lines behind this one, but their quality is unknown (to me), and it looks like the Russians really prioritized this first one. Building all these fortifications wasn't that fast or easy, I would be surprised to see whole new fortifications springing up in a meaningful way, especially to enclose the salient and reform a unified front. I think you're broadly correct. The Russians have brought a lot of their better formations into the area so I don't think there's much hope of bursting through, but at the same time they've been counterattacking constantly without the slightest progress, which doesn't indicate an excess of manpower. I think it's a case of being cautiously hopeful, perhaps the next lines can be breached in weeks, not months.
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The counteroffensive making any progress at all is a win for Ukraine. The thin edge of the wedge is in, and they just need to keep pounding it. They're operating AFVs on the far side of the minefields. Sure, they took losses, but there weren't supposed to be Ukranian mechanized formations there in the first place. They're risking an infantry squad and an AFV or two to try for the next tree line, and they're winning often enough for it to be worth keeping it up. Remember, Tokmak is not the objective. The ability to completely interdict the road and rail routes through Tokmak are the objective. An infantry company can do that with their organic mortars and HMGs if they can get and keep eyes on those logistical routes. Even knocking out a loaded train of supplies just once will dramatically impact Russian supply challenges. UAF is getting very close to being able to do that at will.
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Tokmak airfield - because you can deploy UAVs from anywhere
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I assume that airfield has been completely unused for a long while, given how close to the front it is?
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Computer viking posted:I assume that airfield has been completely unused for a long while, given how close to the front it is? Why not task a satellite to find out!
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This is the sort of thing that cyberpunk writers missed, so when nimrods say "wow the future SUCKS because we don't have teledildonic adapters from Emil Blargson's The Torment Nexus" or whatever you can shove it into their stupid faces. gently caress you i want to be able to shoot my dick at a APC on the battlefield and blow it up successfully cause the head doubles as a HEAT warhead
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Jaguars! posted:I think you're broadly correct. The Russians have brought a lot of their better formations into the area so I don't think there's much hope of bursting through, but at the same time they've been counterattacking constantly without the slightest progress, which doesn't indicate an excess of manpower. I think it's a case of being cautiously hopeful, perhaps the next lines can be breached in weeks, not months. Is there an any Intel on which VDV unit replaced the 810th brigade? Because my understanding was that the majority of the available VDV units were largely engaged around Bakhmut.
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TheWeedNumber posted:gently caress you i want to be able to shoot my dick at a APC on the battlefield and blow it up successfully cause the head doubles as a HEAT warhead That doesn't sound like it would have room for much of a payload.
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OddObserver posted:That doesn't sound like it would have room for much of a payload. ok fine, how about a pickup truck then or at least the engine block
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Discussion Quorum posted:VDV, more like vOv
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Murgos posted:Is there an any Intel on which VDV unit replaced the 810th brigade? Because my understanding was that the majority of the available VDV units were largely engaged around Bakhmut. Per the ISW last week, most of the 7th and 76th VDV divisions are in the area with an independent brigade on one flank. Apparently the reinforcements they've brought in over the last week are motorized units from the 41st combined arms.
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Discussion Quorum posted:VDV, more like vOv Noice
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Discussion Quorum posted:VDV, more like vOv v  v
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I don't get it, but at this point I'm afraid to ask
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Flyinglemur posted:I don't get it, but at this point I'm afraid to ask vdv, more like (shrugging face)
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Flyinglemur posted:I don't get it, but at this point I'm afraid to ask rotate -90°
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Alan Smithee posted:rotate -90° > o > ?
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1706219091852177604quote:Footage of a US-supplied AN/TWQ-1 Avenger SHORAD system in service with the Ukrainian 1129th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment successfully downing a Russian cruise missile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TWQ-1_Avenger
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https://www.kyivpost.com/post/21971quote:According to Ukrainian partisans, recruiting Russian officers to help plan the devastating missile attack on Russia's Black Sea Fleet was made easier by the fact many hadn’t been paid by the Kremlin. lol, lmao even
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tiaz posted:vdv, more like (shrugging face) Yeah I got that I don't get the vOv vs VDV part
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JFC I'm so slow. Thank you lol
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A.o.D. posted:> Flyinglemur posted:Yeah I got that I don't get the vOv vs VDV part plz explain it to AOD
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I asked a lot of people but they just kept saying VDV and then shrugging. Its like that time I was asking what IDK meant. People would say they didn't know, but I have a feeling they did know...
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The EU spends a lot of money on financial aid for Ukraine, I'm glad that this is not only being used to repair/rebuild parts of Ukraine, but also keep the soldiers paid, and enabling them to bribe Russians.
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Turns out that not paying your military impedes your ability to fight a war. Who would have guessed?
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The Door Frame posted:Turns out that not paying your military impedes your ability to fight a war. Who would have guessed? Also turns out slaughtering experienced troops and then not having a real training pipeline results in poor troops who cannot fight effectively. Who knew.
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Good soldiers survive, bad soldiers don’t deserve to, da? probably said unironically by their commanders 
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CommieGIR posted:Also turns out slaughtering experienced troops and then not having a real training pipeline results in poor troops who cannot fight effectively. Who knew. "All you need is a group of men, or women, give them matching clothes, a few hours training, something that passes for a weapon, and you have an army." If you can't trust Max Brooks on ideal force generation, who can you trust?
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Skanky Burns posted:I asked a lot of people but they just kept saying VDV and then shrugging. Its like that time I was asking what IDK meant. People would say they didn't know, but I have a feeling they did know... third base
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The Door Frame posted:"All you need is a group of men, or women, give them matching clothes, a few hours training, something that passes for a weapon, and you have an army." If you can't trust Max Brooks on ideal force generation, who can you trust? He didn't say you would have a good army.
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Imagine going to Finance and not getting a pay issue resolved, and so you sell secrets to the enemy to make ends meet, just lol
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Imagine going to Finance and not getting a pay issue resolved, and so you sell secrets to the enemy to make ends meet, just lol Well when you don’t get the looted refrigerators you were promised, you have to get your paycheck somehow.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Imagine going to Finance and not getting a pay issue resolved, and so you sell secrets to the enemy to make ends meet, just lol When finance says “yea I stole it, and next month’s too because you asked about it” the choice becomes fairly clear.
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Where oh where is a good counterbattery barrage when it's needed the most? https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1705972981418152064?t=J8sVF77Zbb6f9IE99wjwBg&s=19
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CommieGIR posted:Also turns out slaughtering experienced troops and then not having a real training pipeline results in poor troops who cannot fight effectively. Who knew. I was informed that not having a training pipeline was perfectly fine because the troops in the field would be able to teach the new troops everything they needed to know.
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