Tree Reformat posted:I'll believe it when I see the actual proposed contract, not before. Completely fair to think that, but on the other hand, the WGA has also been pretty openly blistering towards the studios in all of this, and already publicly denounced prior offers from them. If this was a total turd, they’d probably be saying as much.
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Argyle posted:I can’t even begin to process the relief I’m feeling. Very eager to see the details, but it’s a very good sign that they’re willing to let us work during the ratification process. Sorry for the ignorance, but were you staffed on a show already? Most of my friends are in post, many were locking episodes when the strike began, so they are chomping at the bit to get back in their editing rooms. My kids are in SAG, so we are eager to see the AI concessions for WGA. They've been VFX scanned a handful of times for various projects, it makes me sick to think we may have inadvertently sold their likeness for peanuts.
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Edward Mass posted:I had a feeling this strike would end before October - the networks aren’t going to punt on mid-season premiers like they did the fall lineup. They still can't really do jack poo poo until they also settle matters with the actors, who the studios still haven't even spoken to yet.
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muscles like this! posted:If they really did concede then I guess we can expect to see a SAG deal soon. SAG’s contract is waaay more complicated than the WGA’s. But we were aligned on the issues of streaming residuals and regulating AI, so hopefully our deal will help accelerate theirs.
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Sep 25, 2023 05:12
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Great news, and laughing that some personalities burned their reputations saying that they would do shows in spite of the strike literally days before the end came anyway.
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Argyle posted:SAG’s contract is waaay more complicated than the WGA’s. But we were aligned on the issues of streaming residuals and regulating AI, so hopefully our deal will help accelerate theirs.
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Posting pictures like this seems like a positive sign https://x.com/EricHaywood/status/1706142308109029620?s=20
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VorpalBunny posted:Sorry for the ignorance, but were you staffed on a show already? Most of my friends are in post, many were locking episodes when the strike began, so they are chomping at the bit to get back in their editing rooms. I was on staff when the strike started — we were actually supposed to start a new season the same week that strike was called. Yeah I’m eager to see the AI stuff too. This is probably the first major labor negotiation that involved the use of AI as a bargaining point, so it could end up being a framework for all kinds of future AI regulation.
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Argyle posted:I was on staff when the strike started — we were actually supposed to start a new season the same week that strike was called. Might you be on a show involving lots of little kids? If so, I had a kid in one of the classrooms for the past few years. I sure hope you guys got everything you asked for!
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Not sure how much this had to do with the deal, but an interesting coincidence nonetheless https://twitter.com/Sej_Singh/status/1706137309920252169?s=20
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VorpalBunny posted:Might you be on a show involving lots of little kids? If so, I had a kid in one of the classrooms for the past few years. Nope! But I hope it’s been a fun experience for the little one!
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Happy Landfill posted:Not sure how much this had to do with the deal, but an interesting coincidence nonetheless It’s absolutely not a coincidence that the studios agreed to talk again almost immediately after news came out that this bill passed and was on Newsom’s desk.
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Sep 25, 2023 12:45
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It amazes me how many under paid and over worked people have a hate boner for unions.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:It amazes me how many under paid and over worked people have a hate boner for unions. 50 years of messaging. It’s pretty wild. Did Newsom sign the UI bill yet? I’m curious if he called the studio heads and was like “look, this can go one of two ways…” fart blood fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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Senor Tron posted:Great news, and laughing that some personalities burned their reputations saying that they would do shows in spite of the strike literally days before the end came anyway. I wonder if that actually played a part. A standard strike resistantance tactic is to wait for the first people to break, the fact that happened and everyone willing to cross the line got shut down completely by peers and populace probably scared the poo poo out of the execs.
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This is great news! I've been following the strike since it first started in May and it's nice to see it finally end for the Writers (hopefully) after all the slimy tactics from the CEOs. Maybe next time don't try and kill some trees, wish your workers were homeless and spend more money then what you could of saved making a good deal day 1.
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Pixeltendo posted:Maybe next time don't try and kill some trees, Holy poo poo I almost forgot about that. What a loving wild ride this has been.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Holy poo poo I almost forgot about that. What a loving wild ride this has been. I still remember people saying - quite reasonably! - "Hey they don't get to make decisions like that, it has to go through the City Council, so this was probably just incredibly bad timing" and then nope it turns out the studio was just straight up doing some Captain Planet Cartoon Villain bullshit.
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Happy for the writers, optimistic for the actors. Spoilered for negativity amidst happy news. Don’t read it Pessimistic about my own union fighting for pay increases and safety/quality of life improvements. Our membership loves undermining our own collective power. Work will start back up and it’ll be the same as before, only more rushed. I will be happy to get paid but don’t share the desire to unquestioningly work myself to death that so many of my brothers and sisters have.
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Snowy posted:Happy for the writers, optimistic for the actors. Same, and.. well, I was part of a strike action a couple years ago, and.. I am hesitant to even publicly put anywhere what I think actually happened. Even on this dead gay forum. But I don't think the striking workers were.. given the right kind of advice and recommendations from the union leadership outside the company. Contract wasn't any better than it was initially, and the initial stuff was really not great for the job we were doing. Read between the lines for what I think happened. Really glad to see the WGA pulling this off, and I absolutely believe in and support unions regardless of my personal experience with a local. Been trying to push my CG VFX friend who's worked in the industry with suggestions of unionizing stuff, and his response (and I think by and large the CG VFX community's) is 'Yeah they'll just fire us all and outsource overseas'. Which is unfortunately probably what would actually happen, regardless of end product quality hits that would result. Justin Credible fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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As someone who's only glancingly been a part of union organizing: Well loving done! Negotiating something like this is much more difficult than it looks, and it already looks difficult as all hell.
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CapnAndy posted:Conventional wisdom is that a SAG deal should be hot on the heels of this one, since they get to point to everything the WGA is getting and go "see, that, give us that" and also the AMPTP is clearly in a concessions-giving mood and there's no point bringing back the writers if you still can't loving shoot anything. Also the end of the fiscal quarter is approaching (Oct 1? Close to that) so they may want to just finally get going rather than sacrifice the whole rest of the year.
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fart blood posted:50 years of messaging. It’s pretty wild. According to the CA website, it was presented to him late Thursday and he has 1 or 2 weeks to do something with it IIRC. The benefits would take effect 1/1/2024.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he vetos it on behalf of his donors "since it isn't needed anymore"
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Some dark lols on Stephen Amell's part as (one of) the strikes (possibly) comes to an end: Starz just cancelled Heels today so fukkin  to Amell's whole post-strike career.
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Ehh, someone can disagree with going on strike, so long as they respect the decision of the union and down tools when a strike is called. It's only scabbing that should have repercussions.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Ehh, someone can disagree with going on strike, so long as they respect the decision of the union and down tools when a strike is called. It's only scabbing that should have repercussions. He broke ranks to promote work during the strike.
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Ah well then, gently caress that scab.
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nine-gear crow posted:Some dark lols on Stephen Amell's part as (one of) the strikes (possibly) comes to an end: Starz just cancelled Heels today so fukkin He'll be on Rosenbaum's podcast again trying to explain himself, maybe drop a tear or two
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He also did a really bad job of pretending that he supported the strike after he got called out for scabbing
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FlamingLiberal posted:He also did a really bad job of pretending that he supported the strike after he got called out for scabbing Dude looked like somebody drug him out there onto the line by the ear in pictures.
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He's been a bit of a prick since he started development on the wrassling show. Maybe he'll take a load off for a while and rethink his poo poo
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https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/26/23890663/sag-aftra-strike-approval-video-game-performers SAG-AFTRA authorized video game performers to strike if their negotiations fall through.
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SAG and studios meeting any day now, according to Deadline. It's over.
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fart blood posted:SAG and studios meeting any day now, according to Deadline. It's over. "any day now", "according to Deadline". I mean, I agree it will probably be over soon-ish, but Deadline saying that is hardly indicative of anything.
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Studios will be able to train their machine learning models on writers’ work. There might be more nuance in the details, but it looks like WGA at least partially buckled on their demand. https://www.wsj.com/business/media/hollywood-studios-can-train-ai-models-on-writers-work-under-tentative-deal-aedae589
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Yikes, give an inch and they'll take a light-year. Training your replacement with every script seems like it should be a deal breaker?
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I'm wondering if they buckled on that because the studios were probably going to do it anyway and just lie about it.
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