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Yeah I loving love Alien stuff but I went into Prometheus just assuming if it's like 100 years before Alien or whatever how connected in anyway is it really going to be story wise/thematically. I know there were folks disappointed that it wasn't just the cast looking at the camera reading the Colonial Marines Technical Manual aloud but I do notice more recently people seem warmed up to it more so I think a slight reevaluation of it did happen. There'll always "hurr why not run side ways from big UFO movie bad"* people but that's true of any sci-fi/fantasy thing and people can like or hate whatever. *Even though the characters literally do this in the movie
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David's spooky castle set in Covenant kicks so much rear end
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Sep 25, 2023 17:15
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Prometheus connected to alien perfectly to me because it was set in a spooky spaceship and had monsters and it all happened because of a lovely company with the name Weyland in it. That’s all I needed and wanted
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Sep 25, 2023 17:16
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Was David’s horror and outrage at Oram killing his pet science project the only time in either film he’s really demonstrative, really expresses any emotion (Other than evil grins, etc.)
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Sep 25, 2023 17:18
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https://youtu.be/G8DueZFJVyo?feature=shared
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Sep 25, 2023 17:23
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i like the parts in alien covenant where people fall down
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Sep 25, 2023 17:55
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MrMojok posted:Was David’s horror and outrage at Oram killing his pet science project the only time in either film he’s really demonstrative, really expresses any emotion He's obviously attracted to Shaw and he does show very quick bursts of annoyance and anger at stuff before going back to center.
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Sep 25, 2023 18:43
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Neo Rasa posted:I really do respect it in that we've had slasher in space, etc. a few times now, and how it's almost like a Hammer or one of those cheapo 60s mad scientist movies, but with a $$$ budget. Basebf555 posted:Yea the Hammer Frankenstein aspect of Covenant is what makes it. It really feels like if Cushing's Frankenstein crash landed on that planet he would do the exact same poo poo that David did. It's Hammer Forbidden Planet.
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Sep 25, 2023 18:50
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Darko posted:He's obviously attracted to Shaw and he does show very quick bursts of annoyance and anger at stuff before going back to center. Yeah, every interaction he has with Holloway he's pretty clearly annoyed, disappointed or angry and Holloway's such a dunce he doesn't even notice. Especially "Can you imagine how disappointing it would be for you to hear the same thing from your creator?"
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Sep 25, 2023 20:10
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I watched a behind-the-scenes doc where Ridley said that he specifically cast Green because he was so intelligent, and needed that intelligence to come across in Holloway. I, however, think that Green is terrific casting because he plays Holloway as a huge douchey dolt who you are totally fine watching David give eyeworms and monster cum to.
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Sep 25, 2023 20:58
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Speaking of Logan Marshal Green, I remember saying he and the guy who played Dario in Game of Thrones, Michael Huisman, looked a bit alike, and was pleasantly surprised when they were both cast in the Invitation together. Now someone has to cast both those two and Tom Hardy in the same thing to play triplets in something.
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Sep 25, 2023 22:01
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I pretty much only see positive stuff about Prometheus nowadays. I mean, even at the time, it was a massive financial success with good reviews including a 4/4 from Ebert If people don't like that movie they don't like that movie, but I think much of the discourse around it being negative online came from it being peak Cinema Sins, Movie Mistakes and RLM era, where an inordinate amount of attention was being given to supposed plot holes or characters doing dumb things, which is not illegitimate to care about, but is a boring way to critique movies. YouTube criticism these days from some creators is honestly a lot closer to the quality of professional film criticism, which just wasn't the case back then, and I think it got dogpiled a lot from a certain lens Also I never really thought about it til now how much Requiem and Covenant do the same thing of just saying "yeah yeah gently caress all that plot origin stuff, we just want an alien slasher movie" I still wish we got whatever the gently caress Paradise would have been
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Sep 25, 2023 23:02
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NikkolasKing posted:Requiem is clearly a case of a sequel responding to the criticisms of the original by going in the opposite direction. I know he's kind of a punchline but I don't hate Paul WS Anderson. He tried to give Mortal Kombat and AVP a cohesive storyline. MK95 was a massive success to the point the games themselves took story and character ideas from it. AVP...not so much. I think pretty much everyone hated the characters in it and felt we didn't get enough time with the titular aliens and predators. So Requiem gave us a badass Pred massacring his way through alien hordes and dicing up slasher victim meatbag heroes. If you want to see a Predator doing cool things, AVP:R won’t work for you either. You can’t see poo poo in that movie! Because the lighting is so dark!
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Sep 26, 2023 00:42
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no one will save you has some pretty good aliens in it
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Sep 26, 2023 00:44
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Alien Covenant is actually good unlike avpr which is made by edge lords who thought the alien and predator series was nonstop pregnant women and children getting killed Also it’s ugly as hell and isn’t like any dark horse comic I’ve ever read! Stop saying that!!!
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Sep 26, 2023 01:56
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Covenant and Requiem are two movies I haven't seen because I'm a little piss baby that really doesn't like that sort of gore and violence. But I respect the former for being a proper alien movie, while the later is indeed just ugly cruelty porn.
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Sep 26, 2023 02:06
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Both movies unfortunately have very meh cgi gore so as a gore hound it’s not even all that fun in that regard
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Sep 26, 2023 02:42
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If you're into Ridley Scott Scifi stuff, big recommend for S1 of Raised By Wolves. I haven't watched S2 (S1 has a satisfying conclusion and I've heard S2 is weak) but that first season is very much in the same vein as Prometheus/Covenant.Baronjutter posted:Covenant and Requiem are two movies I haven't seen because I'm a little piss baby that really doesn't like that sort of gore and violence. But I respect the former for being a proper alien movie, while the later is indeed just ugly cruelty porn. Covenant isn't that gory, there's nothing in there that's more upsetting than in Prometheus.
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Sep 26, 2023 02:48
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*watching the back-burster scene* this is barely gory at all
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Sep 26, 2023 02:57
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It’s all computers so it doesn’t get give me that visceral feel.
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Sep 26, 2023 03:59
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wuffles posted:*watching the back-burster scene* probably splitting hairs but i personally found the scene in prometheus where surgery goes awry and she then gets slammed in the stomach more upsetting.
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Sep 26, 2023 04:22
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Baronjutter posted:Covenant and Requiem are two movies I haven't seen because I'm a little piss baby that really doesn't like that sort of gore and violence. But I respect the former for being a proper alien movie, while the later is indeed just ugly cruelty porn. if you haven't seen them how can you say either of these things
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Sep 26, 2023 04:31
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i have no opinion on requiem because i cant see whats happening is the predator winning is he losing... its too dark to tell
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Sep 26, 2023 07:59
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:i have no opinion on requiem because i cant see whats happening is the predator winning is he losing... its too dark to tell Everyone loses in Requiem because everyone gets either killed by a alien or nuked at the end.
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my comic shop was doing a pretty big sale so decided to pick up the first five issues of the marvel Alien and Predator comics, only to find out when I finally cracked them open to read that they’ve already released multiple mini series with multiple variant covers and nothing to discern which is which on the covers so I got four incomplete stories. Guess I’m never going to finish reading or buying another one of these bait and switch books.
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Sep 26, 2023 09:28
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ruddiger posted:Isn’t that Virus I feel Virus is more 'The Thing on the internet.'
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well why not posted:probably splitting hairs but i personally found the scene in prometheus where surgery goes awry and she then gets slammed in the stomach more upsetting. I suppose it depends on your definition of gore? Is it anything violent? Or are we only considering “blood and guts” stuff? If it’s the latter, I can’t recall many of those moments in Prometheus. In fact, there are many horrifying, violent deaths, but the bloodiest bits are the “births” of the trilobite and the deacon. Which is kind of interesting on it’s own I think. The next closest thing is David getting his head removed but the intensity of that scene is dialed back by him being an android.
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Sep 26, 2023 14:40
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well why not posted:If you're into Ridley Scott Scifi stuff, big recommend for S1 of Raised By Wolves. I haven't watched S2 (S1 has a satisfying conclusion and I've heard S2 is weak) but that first season is very much in the same vein as Prometheus/Covenant. Oh you should definitely watch S2 of Raised by Wolves if you enjoyed the first season. It just escalates and escalates the wonderful batshit insanity and arrives at an equally weird and satisfying conclusion.
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wuffles posted:I suppose it depends on your definition of gore? Is it anything violent? Or are we only considering “blood and guts” stuff? If it’s the latter, I can’t recall many of those moments in Prometheus. In fact, there are many horrifying, violent deaths, but the bloodiest bits are the “births” of the trilobite and the deacon. Which is kind of interesting on it’s own I think. I think the most underrated is Milburn & Fifield getting hosed up. The hammerpede violating Milburn's throat and Fifield falling into the goo followed by that excellent shot of his helmet melting onto his face is really well done and quite gruesome. Just a shame they didn't stick with the original Fifield design for when he returns to the ship since the xeno-ish look seems more visually fitting given what happened with the helmet compared to the crispy zombie look imo.
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ruddiger posted:my comic shop was doing a pretty big sale so decided to pick up the first five issues of the marvel Alien and Predator comics, only to find out when I finally cracked them open to read that they’ve already released multiple mini series with multiple variant covers and nothing to discern which is which on the covers so I got four incomplete stories. Guess I’m never going to finish reading or buying another one of these bait and switch books. The Alien comic I read was alright, albeit in an extremely safe Alien story kind of way. The Predator comic was real bad. It was about this girl who at like age 8 was left stranded entirely alone on a distant planet after her family was killed by Predators, so she decided to kill all the Predators and despite being a child stranded by herself in the middle of nowhere, she learned how to reverse-engineer Predator technology and hunt Predators so that by the time the series starts ten years later, she has killed dozens of Predators in hand to hand combat.
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Sep 26, 2023 17:20
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ex post facho posted:no one will save you has some pretty good aliens in it that movie rules so hard. love that they went with the most stereotypical alien design they possibly could, and the aliens are still weird and otherworldly and inscrutable
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Gripweed posted:The Alien comic I read was alright, albeit in an extremely safe Alien story kind of way. The Predator comic was real bad. It was about this girl who at like age 8 was left stranded entirely alone on a distant planet after her family was killed by Predators, so she decided to kill all the Predators and despite being a child stranded by herself in the middle of nowhere, she learned how to reverse-engineer Predator technology and hunt Predators so that by the time the series starts ten years later, she has killed dozens of Predators in hand to hand combat. That reminds me, Prey 4K physical release is out next Tuesday. I’ve got the steelbook on order from Best Buy.
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Gripweed posted:The Alien comic I read was alright, albeit in an extremely safe Alien story kind of way. The Predator comic was real bad. It was about this girl who at like age 8 was left stranded entirely alone on a distant planet after her family was killed by Predators, so she decided to kill all the Predators and despite being a child stranded by herself in the middle of nowhere, she learned how to reverse-engineer Predator technology and hunt Predators so that by the time the series starts ten years later, she has killed dozens of Predators in hand to hand combat. thats every predator story
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Sep 26, 2023 21:46
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The marvel Alien comics by Philip Kennedy Johnson start out as kind of retreading well worn Dark Horse story beats but each arc does something a bit different, expands the universe in interesting ways. Then Declan Shalvey took over and his first arc is once again something that wouldn't be out of place in Dark Horse. They're all fine really, perfectly decent Alien comics, but I'd read Revival and Icarus over the other currently existing arcs.
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In spite of it being the near totality of their culture and having a technological head start, it turns out yuatja, 1:1, are flat out not as good at killing as human beings are. Imagine the embarrassment. "Finally a worthy prey in these hoo-mans. Wait gently caress. That one was a fluke. Okay this will be a hunt to-- poo poo. Okay now we will go on safari to earth and... oh goddamnit"
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SUNKOS posted:I think the most underrated is Milburn & Fifield getting hosed up. The hammerpede violating Milburn's throat and Fifield falling into the goo followed by that excellent shot of his helmet melting onto his face is really well done and quite gruesome. Just a shame they didn't stick with the original Fifield design for when he returns to the ship since the xeno-ish look seems more visually fitting given what happened with the helmet compared to the crispy zombie look imo. Agreed on both their deaths being the most brutal and on the original Fifield design. Part of that gruesomeness comes from the fact they are left conscious yet incapacitated in awful ways until who knows when. However, I do think Holloway would have suffered the worst fate if not for the mercy of the flamethrower. I imagine it would have been a lot like that poor Japanese man they kept alive to study while his body disintegrated at a molecular level from the massive dose of radiation he was exposed to. With the added horror of not being in a medically induced coma and potentially have part of your body mutate, separate from you, and start attacking other parts of you.
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wuffles posted:*watching the back-burster scene* the guy only barfed up all his blood with the neomorph and not his physical guts, Ridley’s lost his edge.
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Sep 26, 2023 22:35
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CGI blood isnt real
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wuffles posted:Agreed on both their deaths being the most brutal and on the original Fifield design. Part of that gruesomeness comes from the fact they are left conscious yet incapacitated in awful ways until who knows when. New Fifield looks like a werewolf. What is funny for how they became more Universal monster movie-y, but not my preferred look.
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Anyone hear ever play the balla rear end Alien rpg by Free League? I've been wanting to play it forever. It is lit AF.
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