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So glad that they prob won't ever mention the raid again and it won't effect anything in the story.
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Nessus posted:A robot lady with a fat rear end and he twink brother showed up and asked us to kill some poo poo that was going to gently caress up our daughter's backyard. In appreciation for our efforts, the robot lady left us her rear end after returning to Robot Planet. As the WoL recites what they remember of the raids, the scions slowly realize that their hero is just going through a horny phase and hope it passes soon. Behind the scenes, Yoko Taro can be heard cackling.
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the_steve posted:*mouth motions and hand pantomimes without any actual sound or word bubbles. Fade to black* I always imagine the Peanuts adult voice when the WoL is speaking like that
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Sep 25, 2023 17:44
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Electric Phantasm posted:I just want a scene where the WoL explains the Nier raid story to literally anyone that wasn't present for it. considering that the enemies we summoned in the ShB NR were supposed to be based on WoL's memories, we'd probably end up with dwarves in thigh highs
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Ibram Gaunt posted:So glad that they prob won't ever mention the raid again and it won't effect anything in the story. As much as I like the Nier raids, yeah, it's probably for the best if they never do. Leave it as a classic TV-style 'they met once and then everyone moved on with their lives' crossover. I can't imagine which situation would make people madder: FFXIV fans having to factor in a series of both dark fantasy and sci-fi action games (most of which aren't very good let's be honest), or Draken-Nier fans having to factor in the 24-player raids for an entirely unrelated MMO's third expansion. ...probably the first one, actually, Draken-Nier fans are used to having to deal with bullshit like that. At least this one got an official translation.
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Trash Ops posted:if you wanted them you would have been playing lol i have sunk thousands of hours in this video game. have you considered that I might want them but am just burned out? like i've done tons of long rear end grinds, from 500k every role in the diadem to Rhalgr's right first... I want to play other video games and not feel hostage to a game fwiw I don't bemoan the fact that i miss out on holiday rewards 
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Sep 25, 2023 18:51
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My only gripe with the Nier series is all the dwarves look the same and it makes it hard to tell anyone apart at a glance. Itd be like if the Void Ark quest was centered around default model vanu vanu for 2 irl years
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Sep 25, 2023 19:15
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FuturePastNow posted:Yeah the Nier raid story is: Drakengard/Nier veterans: "First time?"
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Sep 25, 2023 19:47
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yoko taro is good at letting actually good writers write stories based on vague stuff he comes up with. unfortunately he wrote the nier raids himself for some reason
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Sep 25, 2023 20:10
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Countblanc posted:My only gripe with the Nier series is all the dwarves look the same and it makes it hard to tell anyone apart at a glance. Itd be like if the Void Ark quest was centered around default model vanu vanu for 2 irl years the characters that the Void Ark raid quest were centered around were so imminently forgettable they might as well have been the same model I think Crystal Tower and Nier are the only AR stories I actually like.
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Sep 25, 2023 20:34
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Blockhouse posted:the characters that the Void Ark raid quest were centered around were so imminently forgettable they might as well have been the same model Skill issues.
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Sep 25, 2023 20:36
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Blockhouse posted:the characters that the Void Ark raid quest were centered around were so imminently forgettable they might as well have been the same model For me it was: ShB/ARR > HW > StB > EW. But when it comes to the actual instances/bosses, the order ends up somewhat different: StB > ShB > HW > EW > ARR
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Dwesa posted:considering that the enemies we summoned in the ShB NR were supposed to be based on WoL's memories, we'd probably end up with dwarves in thigh highs Lali Ho' 
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I do wish there was more of a reason for the story to happen but I will 100% accept "hey check this poo poo out" as the core reason for an alliance raid especially when it's been something built up for such a long time.
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Sep 25, 2023 22:36
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They wanted to do a cool set of raids featuring the twelve and they couldn't figure out a natural way to create significant conflict/peril so they quite sensibly decided not to force it.
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Yeah, a "the Twelve are secretly evil for some reason because mumble mumble maybe auracite I guess??" plot would have been really dire.
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it would have been funny
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Mainwaring posted:They wanted to do a cool set of raids featuring the twelve and they couldn't figure out a natural way to create significant conflict/peril so they quite sensibly decided not to force it. Antivehicular posted:Yeah, a "the Twelve are secretly evil for some reason because mumble mumble maybe auracite I guess??" plot would have been really dire.  , and I like the commentary on faith that comes out of it as well. Plus the fights are pretty great imho.
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Feldegast42 posted:
Ehh, Aglaia was great but I've soured a bit on Euphro, it's just entirely too easy and that would be ok if the mechanics that were there were more interesting. But they aren't.
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A lot of Euphro is pretty easy, but in mogrock season I've seen a ton of messy fights and struggling healers. Nophica's forced march mechanics reliably reap the harvest. (Also, that old standard alliance-raid killer, "tons of trash mobs all doing AoEs at once.")
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I've seen enough people die to Halone that I worry about the average player's short-term memory.
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Antivehicular posted:A lot of Euphro is pretty easy, but in mogrock season I've seen a ton of messy fights and struggling healers. Nophica's forced march mechanics reliably reap the harvest. (Also, that old standard alliance-raid killer, "tons of trash mobs all doing AoEs at once.") Philosophically hard to say if it’s difficult or actually more ff14 players are just stone cold morons
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more players are better now than they have been at any point in the game, but also the average mechanic is more intuitive because of the forced MSQ mechanic-language learning and increasing consistency of markers. people gently caress up but I haven't actually timed out an alliance raid since weeping city week 1
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Aglaia's also easy, but it's LotA-style 'you can skip mechanics if you're good and have to think sometimes' easy. Euphrosyne is WoD or Syrcus-style 'it is literally impossible to see all these mechanics now'. And we're seeing that in the expansion it debuted.
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Failboattootoot posted:Ehh, Aglaia was great but I've soured a bit on Euphro, it's just entirely too easy and that would be ok if the mechanics that were there were more interesting. But they aren't. Euphro isn't as good as Aglaia but its still alright, the only really dud fight is Althyk and Nymeia.
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Althyk and Nymeia is still the only fight I regularly see wide-spread deaths on in the raid. I've yet to be in a group that had more 1 person out of 24 die to Nophica's forced march, even.
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Something else that I think contributes to the Twelve raids being a letdown for people, that I believe I've said before but I do think is worth underlining: The nature of these raids means that we already had favorites. Oschon is the last one in the lineup, but that doesn't mean he's a heavy-hitter among the gods; for a lot of people Oschon is 'just some dude' compared to someone like Rhalgr. People are coming to see their favorite god, and hoping that said god gets to be a really rad fight, butthere's a very good chance that their god got short-changed and everything after that is just a wind-down. In fact, it's almost inevitable because alliance raids have an element of escalation; the earlier ones in the raid are inevitably less impressive than the later ones. If your favorite god was Byregot, not only are you sitting around for eleven bosses worth of 'and the rest', but the fight against Byregot himself was probably a letdown for you. Althyk and Nymeia's actually the worst example of it. Not only are they absolutely the biggest letdown in terms of boss strength, and in that weird second boss slot where it's really easy to get overshadowed, it also hit two gods! Botht he Althyk and Nymeia fans were disappointed!
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Althyk and Nymeia is a good fight in concept it's just that Nymeia's stuff comes out too slow in comparison to how fast their health drops.Cleretic posted:Something else that I think contributes to the Twelve raids being a letdown for people, that I believe I've said before but I do think is worth underlining: The nature of these raids means that we already had favorites. Oschon is the last one in the lineup, but that doesn't mean he's a heavy-hitter among the gods; for a lot of people Oschon is 'just some dude' compared to someone like Rhalgr. People are coming to see their favorite god, and hoping that said god gets to be a really rad fight, butthere's a very good chance that their god got short-changed and everything after that is just a wind-down. In fact, it's almost inevitable because alliance raids have an element of escalation; the earlier ones in the raid are inevitably less impressive than the later ones. If your favorite god was Byregot, not only are you sitting around for eleven bosses worth of 'and the rest', but the fight against Byregot himself was probably a letdown for you. I will say I am incredibly disappointed that only Nald/Thal and Menphina got themes, yes. I understand that making 11-13 unique songs was not going to happen but that doesn't make it less disappointing.
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Hellioning posted:Althyk and Nymeia is a good fight in concept it's just that Nymeia's stuff comes out too slow in comparison to how fast their health drops. 100% on both thoughts Wonder if the new song will be about the 13th god or all of them? All of the raid songs this tier have been so loving good
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TheWorldsaStage posted:100% on both thoughts Calling my shot, it's gonna be the generic Gods' theme, Brute Justice Version.
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Bruceski posted:Calling my shot, it's gonna be the generic Gods' theme, Brute Justice Version. If the 13th god is secretly a mech piloted by the other 12 will have no problems with that.
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I chose Byregot and his fight owns and still kills me occasionally, A++ raid series
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Hellioning posted:If the 13th god is secretly a mech piloted by the other 12 will have no problems with that. If they don't do a Knights of the Round/Brute Justice/Ultima-style attack, this whole thing has been wasted.
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Blockhouse posted:the characters that the Void Ark raid quest were centered around were so imminently forgettable they might as well have been the same model I’ll take “we have Skies of Arcadia at home” over a town of rear end in a top hat dwarves any day.
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I just want to chime in to say the Menphina fight was rad as was the music and the doggo. I hope they do some knights of the round style thing on the last fight where each of the 12 flies in to do a bombastic and on theme attack.
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Think I may have mentioned this before but this questline actually made me spend actual money on a Fantasia to turn my patron into Oschon from Rhalgr.
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lines posted:Think I may have mentioned this before but this questline actually made me spend actual money on a Fantasia to turn my patron into Oschon from Rhalgr. It's kinda funny you need a Fantasia to do this.
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Electric Phantasm posted:It's kinda funny you need a Fantasia to do this. I don't know what would make me completely change my faith in a god, but drinking a potion that turned me into a catgirl would probably do it.
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Electric Phantasm posted:It's kinda funny you need a Fantasia to do this. I also took the opportunity to slightly tweak my skin shade so I was less reflectively pale. But it is a bit silly.
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