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I've said it before and I'll say it again - Chibnall had too many galactic+ level threats. Higher stakes does not mean a better story, particularly when those stakes become meaninglessly big.
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Sep 26, 2023 02:15
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CommonShore posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again - Chibnall had too many galactic+ level threats. Higher stakes does not mean a better story, particularly when those stakes become meaninglessly big. I mean, RTD had the same problem in his first run, what with Davros threatening to "detonate all of reality itself" and Rassilon trying to crash Gallifrey into Earth.
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Sep 26, 2023 02:40
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I love the reality bomb just for the matter of fact way Davros drops that line "Why the reality bomb, of course" as if it is the most natural thing in the world to have developed something like this and he's surprised the Doctor wasn't already thinking along the same lines. I don't begrudge Chibnall wanting to bring some absolutely mad, inconceivable poo poo into the universe. Though that said, the Quranx effectively occupies exactly the same space as the Ux outside of "It presents a face of somebody you would feel inclined to protect as a defense mechanism" which is a very cool idea probably better suited to a different story/alien.
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Sep 26, 2023 04:17
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Jerusalem posted:I love the reality bomb just for the matter of fact way Davros drops that line "Why the reality bomb, of course" as if it is the most natural thing in the world to have developed something like this and he's surprised the Doctor wasn't already thinking along the same lines. This. I'm certain you've said this thing previously, or it's just so perfect I'm imagining someone did. This is the Davros perfectly encapsulated in the Baker /Malloy Davros ep (the one where 6 and Davros work together for a company). He really thinks The Doctor and are on the same wave length, and it shows how they're both cut of the same genius - but circumstance led them down different paths. Love Malloy so much in BF. Open Source Idiom posted:No. It stays grim, though since Scott Handcock left it's also turned weirdly fashy in the way a lot of BF Time War stuff has turned. e.g. Leela working for genocidal vivisectionist slavers. Thanks for the heads up on the Time War series - too bad they're doing that fash theme, though I understand it from a story (well, except the character assassinations involved - Leela may have agreed to do that earlier in gallifrey but not after all those series of character development and growth). I just don't want to have to hear fashy poo poo in my escapists audio, unless they're getting mercilessly ridiculed - I have to deal with enough fash in my daily life now, I don't need it in my chosen entertainment. Anybody keeping track of the Doom stuff? I see BF has released a set, but nobody I know has pulled the trigger. Is it just a more confusing Time Lord Victorious thing, or worth checking out?
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Sep 26, 2023 12:27
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McGann posted:Thanks for the heads up on the Time War series - too bad they're doing that fash theme, though I understand it from a story (well, except the character assassinations involved - Leela may have agreed to do that earlier in gallifrey but not after all those series of character development and growth). I think there are ways of telling these kinds of Time War stories -- with the protagonists having their morality testing by extremis -- and then there's what these ranges can sometimes dip into, which is the Doctor attempting to enact change from within a literal space-time Apartheid empire, or Leela learning to respect a man who stuck a shock collar around her neck and forced her to work for him. The latter, in particular, is loving appalling. You can't walk poo poo like that back on a moral level, and this idea that Leela -- one of the companions least enamored by decorum politics in all of Who -- would develop a professional working relationship with her literal torturer is bugnuts. Obviously I'm going to listen to the next one, this poo poo is an absolute train wreck. McGann posted:Anybody keeping track of the Doom stuff? I see BF has released a set, but nobody I know has pulled the trigger. Is it just a more confusing Time Lord Victorious thing, or worth checking out? I've heard the first two. She's fun, she's the kind of character Doctor Who doesn't usually have as a lead -- in that she's an uncomplicated person who kills people for money -- but she's decently funny partly by contrast to the world around her and partly because the writers like giving her fun stuff to do. The first story is good for it, and surprisingly emotional. The second... it's Robert Valentine, he's an ideas guy who's a bit mediocre in the execution, and the actors talk about how the characters don't quite make sense to them in the extras (e.g. "I thought my character was meant to be more professional that this, but apparently not").
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Sep 26, 2023 13:07
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CommonShore posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again - Chibnall had too many galactic+ level threats. Higher stakes does not mean a better story, particularly when those stakes become meaninglessly big. This is a lesson the new show repeatedly fails to learn, even though the classic series learned them over the span of the 1960s Dalek stories. The First Doctor ones are a constant escalator of escalation until Masterplan has them plotting to conquer an area of space so vast that even if you escalated beyond there to "all space" and "all time" you are well in the area of diminishing returns because you are already at a scale beyond what anyone can reasonably imagine anyway. Then the two Second Doctor serials dial back the stakes and make them awesome again. Not one of the post-2005 showrunners has had the courage to do a low-stakes pure historical. Even though Vincent and the Doctor would have been improved greatly by being one.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:13
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The best way to defeat a villain wanting to rule over most or all of the galaxy/universe/time is to let them. Give em a week of managing that much stuff and they'll go bored or insane and fall apart.
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Sep 26, 2023 21:14
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The Daleks don't seem to know the difference between a galaxy and a solar system in their masterplan. The best Time War story I've heard is Starship of Theseus. The Eighth Doctor shows up to a cruise ship with a companion we've never sene before, and as the temporal damage increases, the history of the ship keeps changing. Then the companion keeps changing names without the Doctor even noticing due to her history being damaged. The sheer panic McGann has in his voice when he realises that he can't even remember how long they've been travelling together for is horrifying. The War Doctor sets are great because, well, John Hurt, even if the BBC didn't let them go as far as they might have wanted in terms of the Doctor being more ruthless. I really liked the War Doctor/Ollistra dynamic, with her being willing to let the ends justify the means and at loggerheads with the Doctor's way of fighting. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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Sep 26, 2023 22:13
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Khanstant posted:The best way to defeat a villain wanting to rule over most or all of the galaxy/universe/time is to let them. Give em a week of managing that much stuff and they'll go bored or insane and fall apart. The Unbound Doctor did this to the Unbound Master
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Sep 26, 2023 22:19
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Davros1 posted:The Unbound Doctor did this to the Unbound Master Haha yes that is one of the best gently caress you/compassionate still moves ever. Since they mention the code or whatever it was had a positive effect on the mind . Just a good series overall. I still need to listen to the last one in the series, but have bounced off it due to the setting(see my avoidance of fashy stuff from re gallifrey time war) .
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Sep 27, 2023 00:08
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Warthur posted:Not one of the post-2005 showrunners has had the courage to do a low-stakes pure historical. Even though Vincent and the Doctor would have been improved greatly by being one. This was my biggest issue with the Series 11 historicals. Both Rosa and The Witchfinders really didn’t need their forced sci-fi elements and could have worked well as pure historical.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:44
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I definitely want a pure historical. Demons of the Punjab is another I think would have been just fine or potentially even stronger if it had "just" been about the story of Yaz's grandmother's experience of The Partition. The Crimson Horror is Victorian Sci-Fi for sure, but I did like that the little creature was explicitly said to be from earth as opposed to an alien, and it wasn't the cause/source of the evil plan, it was just another weird addition to the deranged genius of Diana Rigg's character. "Do you know what these are, Doctor? The wrong hands!  " is such a great line.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:51
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I think the difference with cosmic level threats under Chibnall v RTD is the latter knew how to make the threats feel big. Even if some points of the story didn’t make sense there was a good emotional pull most of the time. Chibnall’s Who felt inconsequential a lot of the time. S11 at least felt like a nice break from the overcomplicated time shenanigans Moffat seemed to require in every story, back to the Doctor jumping around planets and saving people, etc. But when he tried to go bigger it fell flat. I honestly think a lot of it comes down to not developing the cast that well. Having a larger TARDIS crew was fine in theory but we didn’t get invested in them the way people cared about Rose or Martha or Donna- or Amy Pond for that matter. And that’s not on the performers obviously. That and though Chibnall did end up facing extraordinary challenges what with COVID and the like, I feel like it was more often the case that production challenges started really hurting the stories.
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Sep 27, 2023 03:27
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I think a bigger production challenge was only being able to produce 11 episodes before having to take a year off. Meanwhile, RTD is producing episodes that won't air until 2025 right now.
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Sep 27, 2023 03:30
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Chibnall Who: terrible, and such small portions
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Sep 27, 2023 03:38
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That was the thing- we were getting fewer episodes per season and yet something like Orphan 55 still snuck through. That's the sort of episode you expect out of a show with a 26-episode order that can't afford to nix a premise that just isn't working.
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Sep 27, 2023 08:57
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Zaroff posted:This was my biggest issue with the Series 11 historicals. Both Rosa and The Witchfinders really didn’t need their forced sci-fi elements and could have worked well as pure historical. There was something at least a little bit interesting in Rosa's villain being just a racist thug from the future.
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Sep 27, 2023 10:56
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https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1706956912514765060
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Sep 27, 2023 11:35
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Oh poo poo, Murray Melvin AND Derek Jacobi? Shame we lost John Hurt - throw him in, add some Beevers Master and we've got the smoothest sounding audio ever created. I'll buy it even if Melvin and Jacobi just take turns reading the phone book. They're both old enough, they probably have phone books around aomehwee, to boot 😅 That's a character I never see mentioned but he's one of my favorites to pick up from the Torchwood range - Melvin's Bilis i mean. I'm curious how much he'll factor in, given his passing in April. McGann fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Sep 27, 2023 |
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Sep 27, 2023 11:42
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Fil5000 posted:There was something at least a little bit interesting in Rosa's villain being just a racist thug from the future. There's something to be said for deploying the subtlety of a sledgehammer. I mean, Malorie Blackman's most famous series is basically "what if it was you who got treated like we do, huh? How would you like that?": The Novel, and those books are good. Well, the first one is, I haven't read the others.
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Sep 27, 2023 13:10
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McGann posted:Oh poo poo, Murray Melvin AND Derek Jacobi? Shame we lost John Hurt - throw him in, add some Beevers Master and we've got the smoothest sounding audio ever created. It was recorded in 2021/2022, so his ep was long recorded before his passing
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Sep 27, 2023 13:15
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McGann posted:That's a character I never see mentioned but he's one of my favorites to pick up from the Torchwood range - Melvin's Bilis i mean. I'm curious how much he'll factor in, given his passing in April. In addition to the above, he's only going to be in the third episode (which might be a sequel to one of the TW's going off the description).
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Sep 27, 2023 13:24
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Big Finish is having a Companion Chronicles sale, and I'm pretty sure each story from the first 5 seasons are all below $2 right now. Just giving y'all a heads-up if you're not aware.
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Sep 27, 2023 14:17
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Did Big Finish only ever take one photo of Derek Jacobi to use for the War Master covers or something?
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Sep 27, 2023 16:38
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I'm reminded of when BBC released some new promo shots of Paul McGann for The Power of the Doctor and someone replied "Big Finish cover artists saved for the next decade"
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Sep 27, 2023 18:05
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Forktoss posted:I'm reminded of when BBC released some new promo shots of Paul McGann for The Power of the Doctor and someone replied "Big Finish cover artists saved for the next decade" You’re incredibly right. https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1707047550333726931
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Sep 27, 2023 18:35
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It’s 2005 all over again! Brand new behind the scenes show immediately after each episode, Doctor Who Unleashed! https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1707107857999471102
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Sep 27, 2023 21:52
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The_Doctor posted:It’s 2005 all over again! Brand new behind the scenes show immediately after each episode, Doctor Who Unleashed! Between the shared universe of Doctor Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures and the BTS/recap show of Confidential it's incredible how before the times RTD was.
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Sep 28, 2023 00:05
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How 90s is the font on Unleashed? Well, it's the same font they used on the BBC Books EDA/PDAs! 
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Sep 28, 2023 00:10
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I haven’t seen any episodes since like 2011 but on a whim I spun up the first Capaldi episode and oh man this guy’s a treat.
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Sep 28, 2023 01:18
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Pollyanna posted:I haven’t seen any episodes since like 2011 but on a whim I spun up the first Capaldi episode and oh man this guy’s a treat. If you stuck through his first ep (and boy howdy is the first half of that one bad), then you're in for a treat once he gets going.
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Sep 28, 2023 01:24
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Planet…of the pudding, brains.
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Sep 28, 2023 01:33
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Ohhhhh Kill The Moon sure is somethin. 
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Sep 29, 2023 01:29
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Something bad and smelly
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Sep 29, 2023 01:34
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My favorite thing about Kill the Moon is that it's followed by legitimately two of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever made. This is me being positive about Kill the Moon.
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Sep 29, 2023 01:35
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Bad and smelly and constantly getting heavier, like an egg
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Sep 29, 2023 01:39
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There’s so much stupid poo poo in this episode. It’s an absolute blast.
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Sep 29, 2023 01:41
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Clara and Courtney hitting the button to stop the baby from being killed, and that saving of its life brings up a big ABORTED message 
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Sep 29, 2023 01:46
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The messaging isn't just mixed, it's beaten, and scrambled. Like an EGG
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By contrast, the only complaint I have about this next one is that it isn’t in monochrome. Edit: and then it should switch to color when the gig is up. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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