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does valve ever comment publicly on why a game was denied when the developer makes a scene like this?
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The 7th Guest posted:"rape is a motivation in our hero's journey" is such garbage writing that I wish Valve actually DID reject games for that poo poo but yeah I think it can be a powerful message for survivors if it's done in a tasteful way, which is not the vibe I'm getting from a pixelated alien face-licking in a fast paced melee boom-shoot etc etc. Endorph posted:pictured: a video game you can purchase on steam Imo, the question of what is acceptable in porn is a separate issue. Though, I think "no kinkshaming" has also been a meme longer than I've actually known what it meant.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:19
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Cyrano4747 posted:Steam's verification process 
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Sep 26, 2023 20:22
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i know it's not great to speculate in the industry thread, but i think it's possible that this game got a bit more scrutiny from review BECAUSE it's a game that has been in Next Fests, E3-type events like Guerilla Collective, Realms Deep, probably had a significant number of wishlists, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Valve eyeballs these notable 4k-5k unit-pushing indie releases a bit more than "furry hentai jigsaw puzzle 4" that gets 100 purchases. because if they are negligent in checking the bigger stuff, it could bite them in the rear end later, like how they had to just straight up delist Arkham Knight at launch that doesn't mean that they should allow many of the broken games that get on steam either, but if there's higher priority given to bigger releases that wouldn't surprise me at all
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Sep 26, 2023 20:24
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YggiDee posted:They finished recording VA 12 hours ago so I think there might be other production issues we aren't hearing about Can I ask where you got this nugget of information from? Because if they're supposed to be releasing the game tomorrow and they just finished the VA less than a day ago... uh... I don't know a lot about game development, but that doesn't seem like a lot of time to make sure everything lines up and plays properly.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:25
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Randalor posted:Can I ask where you got this nugget of information from? Because if they're supposed to be releasing the game tomorrow and they just finished the VA less than a day ago... uh... I don't know a lot about game development, but that doesn't seem like a lot of time to make sure everything lines up and plays properly.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:29
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The 7th Guest posted:"rape is a motivation in our hero's journey" is such garbage writing that I wish Valve actually DID reject games for that poo poo but yeah, valve only cares that your poo poo can open and close, and isn't a virus. they don't care about sexual content in games until people complain loudly enough about a specific game Almost every single tweet by this dev come across as incredibly snippy and aggro. I feel okay not giving them the benefit of the doubt about their rape game.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:30
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That game's demo seemed pretty great and fun and Steam's processes seem to be a complete mess but also holy poo poo that twitter statement and the replies by the dev to others are real bad.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:31
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Mordiceius posted:Almost every single tweet by this dev come across as incredibly snippy and aggro. I feel okay not giving them the benefit of the doubt about their rape game.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:34
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Endorph posted:the developers of heavenly badonkers, however Probably also sucks!
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Sep 26, 2023 20:42
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The 7th Guest posted:regardless of whether rape can be depicted well in a game and be emotionally explored in its story without being exploitative, i don't trust this particular boomer shooter dev who apparently is making it one (graphic) second of a flashback cutscene, and is spending today primarily yelling at people random poo poo like "what about the manga Berserk??" it's not graphic though or at least not graphic enough for valve to approve it
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Sep 26, 2023 20:43
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I think Endorph's argument is that there's this weird grey area where completely pornagraphic and fetishy games are okay, but games that try to broach the same subject matter in a more careful and nuanced way (even if they fail and it's bad) get bopped. But even if you take the dev's version of events, it seems that Valve is only having a semantic issue than a content/moral one.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:43
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Endorph posted:well, probably all the rape porn on steam There is terrible poo poo on steam. Had an issue last year where I caught my half brother playing "Latex Dungeon" because he played it without turning off the freinds connection. He's 16 and Autistic, so I gave a heads up to mom asap because the situation could reach past 'he's veiwing some hosed up stuff' and into 'there's a chance someone could try and blackmail him with this so I'm blowing it up now since my mom will handle it in a mature way. Or at least go into offline mode first before playing the game herself, so I never, ever have to think about it' All that said, the word salad tweet is really unprofessional and does not inspire confidence in this project. I totally sympathize with the dev, but this is absolutely not how to sell your game when dealing with this kind of set back. To draw a direct comparison, when 30xx (excellent game, btw) got a unexpected delay on the switch release date, the dev gave an apology and took the opportunity to do some interviews on the process, inspiration and collaboration that defined the project. They didn't attack the platform because doing so didn't make any sense - their fans would attack the platform for them. If this dev just put out a basic tweet saying 'hey, getting this through Valve's approval process is actually taking some time lol' the response would be universally supportive of the dev and negative to valve. That could lead into conversations about how exited the dev is about the game, what ispired it, ect. But now the conversation is about SA in videogames and a small dev team working in a crunch environment for no perceptible reason. So instead of positive buzz you have weird creeps making bizarre, nonsensical psychotic takes like the one below: Mordiceius posted:Almost every single tweet by this dev come across as incredibly snippy and aggro. I feel okay not giving them the benefit of the doubt about their rape game.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:43
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mycot posted:I think Endorph's argument is that there's this weird grey area where completely pornagraphic and fetishy games are okay, but games that try to broach the same subject matter in a more careful and nuanced way (even if they fail and it's bad) get bopped. But even if you take the dev's version of events, it seems that Valve is only having a semantic issue than a content/moral one. they didn't get bopped for the scene they got bopped for including content warnings in the store page which valve claims weren't warranted. because the scene wasn't bad enough. valve doesn't want them to remove the scene it wants them to remove the CW
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Sep 26, 2023 20:44
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receiving a lot of questions about my "Rape Scenes Aren't Disgusting Enough" shirt
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Sep 26, 2023 20:45
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:they didn't get bopped for the scene This particular bit makes no sense to me because like... if a developer wants to give a content warning they should be allowed to give a content warning.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:49
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yeah that's an extremely stupid reason but as far as i understand valve's approvals are just "whatever programmers in the giant flat structure who currently feel like doing it today" with no structure or defined standards
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Sep 26, 2023 20:51
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ImpAtom posted:This particular bit makes no sense to me because like... if a developer wants to give a content warning they should be allowed to give a content warning. Maybe they just don't want inaccurate warnings diluting the system? In other tweets the dev says that the scene is on screen for less than a second as part of a rapid fire montage so it seems plausible the reviewer genuinely missed it.
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Sep 26, 2023 20:52
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While this guy is being a total jerkwad outside of the gaming stuff, he's also admitted he's burning himself out on some insane 90+ hour workweek, he's not in a rational place, the thing to do would be to drop this for a week and come back when his brain isn't pickled in caffeine and frustration. Irrespective of all the other stuff, there's that.
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Sep 26, 2023 21:10
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:While this guy is being a total jerkwad outside of the gaming stuff, he's also admitted he's burning himself out on some insane 90+ hour workweek, he's not in a rational place, the thing to do would be to drop this for a week and come back when his brain isn't pickled in caffeine and frustration. Irrespective of all the other stuff, there's that. Yeah this is clearly the biggest issue.
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Sep 26, 2023 21:49
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https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706771462617518140 I guess it turned out fine in the end. Though this public display soured any desire to try it.
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Sep 26, 2023 21:59
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Can't wait to be licked by a bobbing wrinkled alien creature.
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Sep 26, 2023 22:07
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Combat Lobster posted:I guess it turned out fine in the end. Though this public display soured any desire to try it.
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Sep 26, 2023 22:13
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https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706776485611110417 and also it seems like it really was just them warning for the SA in the steam description, if removing it got them through. Which is hosed up! Regardless of what you think of how he framed it or how he acted, he wanted to warn for a scene that was in the game and valve denied him for it.
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Sep 26, 2023 22:14
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/FortunesRun/status/1706776485611110417 Yeah if that is the case it is incredibly loving dumb of Valve on multiple levels.
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Sep 26, 2023 22:16
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Ars Technica: Unity dev group dissolves after 13 years over “completely eroded” company trust
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Sep 26, 2023 22:23
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Combat Lobster posted:Though this public display soured any desire to try it. in general the post was goofy but also the moral condemnation people were rushing to for daring to question steam or daring to have a scene like that in his game when it seems like the situation was literally exactly as he portrayed it is incredible. everything he said in that post is basically accurate even if the phrasing was goofy so it owns that people were acting like they were the problem, not steam
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Sep 26, 2023 22:44
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repiv posted:does valve ever comment publicly on why a game was denied when the developer makes a scene like this? Usually not, unless theres also media pressure on top of it like it's been the case with the recent generated content stuff from "AI" where also a dev complained on reddit and they later clarified (well, not entirely) in some statement to gi.biz or another site vaguely about the process. I think they never directly addressed a game or company in these. But that's their entire thing. Secretive and not commenting on anything. Once a fun PR tactic for HL3 teasing, with steam a very questionable way to go. Although I think the goal is obvious enough.
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Sep 26, 2023 22:58
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Endorph posted:the postal devs (of all people) accusing him of 'glorifying rape' isnt thaht specifically one of the things they wouldnt put in the postal games? or was that later they decided that
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Sep 26, 2023 23:12
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Stux posted:isnt thaht specifically one of the things they wouldnt put in the postal games? or was that later they decided that
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Sep 26, 2023 23:15
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Endorph posted:incidentally that guy seems like a moron but also i cant blame him for being testy when theres poo poo like https://twitter.com/RWSstudios/status/1706696362765549739 the postal devs (of all people) accusing him of 'glorifying rape' running with scissors sure has a lot of talk while putting out unplayable pieces of poo poo, irregularly. a bottom 5 studio and lovely responses to a stressed out dev prove it
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Sep 26, 2023 23:20
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Steam probably does not disclose the process to make sure people can't game it. Security through obscurity isn't great and usually doesn't work, but it'd at least be an understandable thing, since they may have too high a workload for a rule zero "we can reject it for any reason or no reason," which most terms of service have just to make sure you can nail the rules-lawyering little shits that do the "does this bug you, does this bug you, I'm not touching you" thing.
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Sep 26, 2023 23:44
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I wonder if valve might have a rule against non applicable content tags. I could see something like that happening if they had some dipshit tagging his flappy birds clone with everything from rape to torture to animal cruelty as a dumb poo poo “protest” against woke valve censoring video games or something. Why yes I have been reading people complaining about nexus today why do you ask? Note that I’m not saying that’s what these devs are doing but I could see that rule getting written for other, dumber reasons and then getting over-applied by whatever intern they have reviewing content tags on indies.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:05
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Cyrano4747 posted:I wonder if valve might have a rule against non applicable content tags. I could see something like that happening if they had some dipshit tagging his flappy birds clone with everything from rape to torture to animal cruelty as a dumb poo poo “protest” against woke valve censoring video games or something. What’s the deal with Nexus today?
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Sep 27, 2023 00:14
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I assume continuing idiocy over them banning a few more bigotry mods a bit ago.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:18
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The two that I'm aware of is them banning the mods that replace the LGBT+ pride flags in Spider-Man with an American flag (or any other flag) and more recently banning mods that remove the pronoun selection from Starfield. Has there been anything else since those?
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Sep 27, 2023 00:21
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I just saw someone say it was Islamophobia to ban mods that remove LGBT content
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Sep 27, 2023 00:24
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Veotax posted:The two that I'm aware of is them banning the mods that replace the LGBT+ pride flags in Spider-Man with an American flag (or any other flag) and more recently banning mods that remove the pronoun selection from Starfield. Those are the two big news item ones but from a very brief look it seems the Starfield one has brought the bigots to a full boil.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:31
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Cyrano4747 posted:I wonder if valve might have a rule against non applicable content tags. I could see something like that happening if they had some dipshit tagging his flappy birds clone with everything from rape to torture to animal cruelty as a dumb poo poo “protest” against woke valve censoring video games or something. It's 100% this, except replace intern with underpaid call centre style worker
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Orv posted:Those are the two big news item ones but from a very brief look it seems the Starfield one has brought the bigots to a full boil. Yeah, it’s this. Just full out rage mode that nexus won’t let them be bigots and screaming everywhere that nexus is ruining modding by censoring creators. By, you know, booting people who mod games to remove pronoun options on character creation.
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