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sasha_d3ath posted:I'm glad I'm not the only one this bugged. It doesn't mean anything? It's just an obligatory shout-out? Why is he thus?? He is Vader's son though. To quote Lucas, it's like poetry, it rhymes. He's similar to Vader but has different motivations, so he fucks up a hallway in a similar manner but does it to save Grogu instead of to stop rebels.
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And that specific self declared moff had been cosplaying Darth Vader complete with cape and stolen lightsaber and then suddenly he's got the one person in the galaxy not scared of Darth Vader tearing through his wunderwaften like tissue paper.
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That sequence works, but it's at odds with the context of the sequels. The scene is effectively filmed as if he's become Darth Vader Jr after Jedi. But we already know he's a good guy, so there's no suspense. Instead of the intended reveal that the scary Jedi was Luke Skywalker, the twist is that Disney did a neat face thing.
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Also my point here, besides the whole sequence being pandering nerdbait (and most likely a sop to the people still shriekingly mad over The Last Jedi and Luke not being the ultimate badass they wanted him to be), is that he doesn't even perform any "brutal executions on fascists" because that wouldn't be properly Light Side enough, so they let him do it on robots instead so they can eat their cake and have it too.Traveller posted:Frying droids was a light side power IIRC, the Force doesn't care about that kind of sentient beings Basically I think it's kind of funny that they wanted the "wow cool violence" bit but also had to make sure that it was only droids that got force-crushed, in much the same way that many RPGs will give you dark side points for doing this or that heinous act (poisons, force lightning, etc)...but will also carve out exceptions or give you "good-aligned poisons" or something. Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Sep 27, 2023 |
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Remember in Solo when the comical " Splicer fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Sep 27, 2023 |
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Sep 27, 2023 11:33
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the dark troopers aren't droids though, they're hosed up guys.
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Nah, the ones in the Mandalorian were stated to be droids. It's one of those "sometimes they're piloted powered armor, sometimes they're droids" things but the ones Luke mowed through were all droids.
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Splicer posted:Remember in Solo when the comical " When we watched Solo my mouth was on the floor about that, the way it’s depicted is so gross. The attitude towards droids in star wars is all over the place, people casually threaten to dismember them, they’re slaves in places that slavery is illegal, etc. but KOTOR 2 makes a point that the force flows through droids and they are connected to it, and has scenes where droids are hopeless gambling addicts and hiding from their boss and poo poo.
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Love what the Auralnauts did with the L337 plotline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsMYJdmutQ&t=617s "I told you I'd get her back Han." MonsieurChoc fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Sep 27, 2023 |
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Sep 27, 2023 15:47
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MonsieurChoc posted:Love what the Auralnauts did
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thatbastardken posted:the dark troopers aren't droids though, they're hosed up guys. They're droids. Death Troopers are the hosed up guys.
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Yeah, Dark Troopers have always been droids. Some people did not play Dark Forces and it shows. 
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, Dark Troopers have always been droids. Some people did not play Dark Forces and it shows. "*Ahem* Well akshewally, the final boss, General Rom Mohc wore combat armor that was also a Phase III Dark Trooper, showing that not all of the Dark Troopers were strictly robots. Why are you shoving me into the locker?" 
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The Imperial jet pack guys in the Battlefront games were also referred to as Dark Troopers.
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More like dork troopers
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Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?
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Donald, no! You were always an antifascist!
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It's fine, he's just infiltrating to save Princess Daisy from the Death Star prison.
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Star Wars chat always hits different if you replace the word Droids with Slaves.
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I hate that sometimes Droids are stupid one-task automatons like Battle Droids and other times they're emotionally complex, intelligent, self aware creatures capable of love. Like, just pick a lane. Also that 9 year old Anakin Skywalker built C-3PO in his garage. A child creating life and sentience from scratch would be the whole-rear end movie anywhere else.
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The Millennium Falcon is canonically the trapped sentience of a former sex bot Lando had unrequited feelings for that spent its life fighting against droid slavery 
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Bottom Liner posted:The Millennium Falcon is canonically the trapped sentience of a former sex bot Lando had unrequited feelings for that spent its life fighting against droid slavery It's 1/3rd that! Canonically she's one of three droid brains in that thing. Presumably the other two are also sad stories.
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moths posted:Also that 9 year old Anakin Skywalker built C-3PO in his garage. A child creating life and sentience from scratch would be the whole-rear end movie anywhere else. Well, apart from all the other creepio scenes.
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I mean, to be "fair" the setting is internally consistent, in that there don't appear to be any hard, clearly enforced rules about treating other living sapient beings as slaves either. You can pretty much just enslave and murder people in star wars, the only court scene we've ever seen was in Andor and it does not inspire any confidence. So people just doing whatever they want with no consequences is just the harsh, hardscrabble dirty galaxy the stories are immersed in, right? If you live in a society where people always wander around open carrying and the "police" are a religious sect of sword-weilding ascetics, and then cloned fascist troopers, and then later, just like... surplus fighter pilots I guess? Maybe you'd just become so jaded that you don't have the mental energy to be upset about the flagrant exploitation and murder of the robot people.
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moths posted:I hate that sometimes Droids are stupid one-task automatons like Battle Droids and other times they're emotionally complex, intelligent, self aware creatures capable of love. I thunk its more that druids are supposed to be built for a specific task but can learn and adapt so theyll be better at their functions, and reset to factory conditions periodically, it's just that people tend to... not reset them, which leads to things like droids realizing "wait, this job sucks!" Or "wait, what if I don't WANT to kill?" Or "gently caress you all, I'm mother-loving R2-D2 and I'm more the main character than any of these losers!"
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Splicer posted:Remember in Solo when the comical "  Suddenly especially glad I skipped that one.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, Dark Troopers have always been droids. Some people did not play Dark Forces and it shows. I thought the Dark Troopers were inbetween droid and human, aka cyborgs
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Splicer posted:Remember in Solo when the comical " Yep... And hilariously I think the intent behind doing that scene was literally the exact opposite of the text of the scene. I had to wonder watching it why nobody in production realized how deeply hosed that bit was.
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Randalor posted:I thunk its more that druids are supposed to be built for a specific task but can learn and adapt so theyll be better at their functions, 
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Omnicrom posted:Yep... The thing is with droids in Star Wars is you gotta not bring attention to the premise or poo poo falls apart conceptually at best
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The thing is with FTFY
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Leperflesh posted:Maybe you'd just become so jaded that you don't have the mental energy to be upset about the flagrant exploitation and murder of the robot people. This is the same attitude everyone had towards the clones, by the way, likely helped by the fact that they are clad in identical dehumanising armour that conceals their faces. The whole setting is extremely depressing when you look at it from a civil rights standpoint. Even the good side are monstrous when you think about their actions and the consequences.
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moths posted:Also that 9 year old Anakin Skywalker built C-3PO in his garage. A child creating life and sentience from scratch would be the whole-rear end movie anywhere else. He probably found a build-a-droid kit in the trash or something. They don't say he invented C-3PO.
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:
It's got some really good basic ideas and the acting is fine for the most part, but it is also a real hot mess. The whole movie should've been: signing up for the military and then going AWOL, the train heist and Woody Harrelson mentorship thing, and then the showdown at the end. A solid, self-contained Space Western. Lando could just be another part of the heist crew, or if it needs padding they do the whole side quest to get him in on the job. And sure maybe Han gets his blaster the same way, whatever, that ties into the whole Woody arc. None of this lost love, Darth Maul cartel poo poo, or explaining where Han got every little bit of iconic gear down to his vest, or whatever was going on with Kessel I don't even remember why they had to go there and do the droid revolution bullshit. No gambling for the Falcon, and no more attempts to try to explain away Han being an internet science crank in the first movie telling Ben and Luke his ship is so fast it makes measures of distance shorter.
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moths posted:I hate that sometimes Droids are stupid one-task automatons like Battle Droids and other times they're emotionally complex, intelligent, self aware creatures capable of love. I mean battle droids are also clearly people. The only ones that aren't (clearly people) are the ones in the background that just do some monotonous task - but, then you have to question whether or not they're just not given a chance to express personhood.
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That Old Tree posted:or explaining where Han got every little bit of iconic gear down to his vest Original Trilogy Han probably lifted that blaster out of the bar's lost property box 30 seconds before he shot greedo with it. That Old Tree posted:whatever was going on with Kessel
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The thing is, I don't think every feature that features violence has to be a particular meditation on violence, so 'are droids, or random bad guys, etc people' just feels like a weird distraction. Also the Kessel Run line is much, much better when it's bullshit(as the script says) and the 10 zillion people trying to find a way for Han to not be full of poo poo don't understand anything about media.
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Omnicrom posted:Yep... Somebody might have originally but Solo's production was 'troubled' and they brought in Ron Howard to shove the thing out the door who probably didn't care so much about implications as what was on the shooting list that day.
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