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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

corona familiar posted:

gently caress I want Workers and Resources: Soviet Republic to get a China expansion so we can do the equivalent of Stellaris megastructures in that game :allears:

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fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bad news for China - Prices of hogs and pork in China, which usually rise in anticipation of shoppers opening their wallets, have actually fallen. It’s a troubling sign for an industry that has yet to recover from the constraints imposed by the pandemic. Even relatively well-off households are watching the pennies as the economy slows and a protracted property crisis saps confidence.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-28/china-s-ailing-pork-demand-another-sign-of-economic-distress

China’s Ailing Pork Demand Another Sign of Economic Distress
By Hallie Gu
September 28, 2023 at 12:04 AM UTC

The fall holidays in China are usually boom-time for pork consumption, as parties and cooler weather entice households to splurge on the nation’s favorite meat.

The Mid-Autumn Festival on Friday typically gathers friends and family over celebratory fare like braised pork belly or sweet and sour ribs. This year, the lunar holiday is followed in short order by the weeklong National Day break, which should extend demand for the more expensive meatier dishes beloved by Chinese.

But consumption is falling flat and supplies are ample. Much of the blame lies with a weak economy and financial uncertainty that to some degree has affected all of China’s commodities markets. Prices of hogs and pork, which usually rise in anticipation of shoppers opening their wallets, have actually fallen. It’s a troubling sign for an industry that has yet to recover from the constraints imposed by the pandemic.

“Pork is selling poorly,” said Yao Shangli, a wholesaler based in Shanghai supplying restaurants in the city. “Look at the economic situation now. The economy is bad. There’s no demand. There wasn’t a wave of stock-building before the holiday either,” he said.

Chinese pork consumption is nearly five times that of 40 years ago, mirroring the rise of the middle classes. But even relatively well-off households are watching the pennies as the economy slows and a protracted property crisis saps confidence.

The impact will be felt as far afield as the Americas, whose farmers supply most of the animal feed for China’s vast pig herd. There’s also a direct impact on financial markets because of the meat’s weighting in the basket of food monitored by China’s central bank, with a drop in pork prices contributing to deflationary pressures in the economy.

In the wet markets of Guangdong in southern China, sales of fresh pork have been slow, said Citic Futures Co. Meat that should have sold out in the morning was still sitting on shelves in the afternoon, according to a report from the broker at the weekend.


Slaughter Rates

Hog prices nationwide have dropped over 5% so far this month, and wholesale pork prices have also turned lower. Slaughter rates at abattoirs are flat.

Carcass sales have slowed and slaughterhouses aren’t getting many orders, according to commodities consultancy Mysteel, which cited the impact of the sluggish economy.

“This round of restocking for the holidays is basically over and demand didn’t really kick off,” said Zhu Di, an analyst with GF Futures Co.

Demand for cured pork usually rises toward the end of the year and that could give the market a boost, according to Zhu. “But I’m not sure how much it will be,” she said. “There’s too much supply. We are quite pessimistic about prices in the fourth quarter.”

That puts Chinese farmers in a bind. Profitability is already lagging pre-pandemic levels, due to a combination of oversupply, weak demand, high feed prices and the costs of fending off diseases like African swine fever.

With hopes dashed this time around, the focus will switch to the run up to the next festival period around Lunar New Year — the period of heaviest demand for pork in the Chinese calendar.

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
Meats cheaper in Australia too it's awesome thanks president xi

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

fizzy posted:

Bad news for China - Prices of hogs and pork in China, which usually rise in anticipation of shoppers opening their wallets, have actually fallen. It’s a troubling sign for an industry that has yet to recover from the constraints imposed by the pandemic. Even relatively well-off households are watching the pennies as the economy slows and a protracted property crisis saps confidence.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-28/china-s-ailing-pork-demand-another-sign-of-economic-distress

China’s Ailing Pork Demand Another Sign of Economic Distress

it's time to expand the Ever Normal Granaries to include delicious pork buns

corona familiar
Aug 13, 2021

fizzy posted:

Bad news for China - Prices of hogs and pork in China, which usually rise in anticipation of shoppers opening their wallets, have actually fallen. It’s a troubling sign for an industry that has yet to recover from the constraints imposed by the pandemic. Even relatively well-off households are watching the pennies as the economy slows and a protracted property crisis saps confidence..

“This round of restocking for the holidays is basically over and demand didn’t really kick off,” said Zhu Di, an analyst with GF Futures Co.

Demand for cured pork usually rises toward the end of the year and that could give the market a boost, according to Zhu. “But I’m not sure how much it will be,” she said. “There’s too much supply. We are quite pessimistic about prices in the fourth quarter.”

lol nominative determinism even in Chinese (no I will not be looking at the tones or the character)

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

fizzy posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/10/watered-down-g20-statement-on-ukraine-is-sign-of-indias-growing-influence

Probably the most intriguing, if sketchy, proposal was the proposed energy and transport link between India and Europe passing through the key power centres of the Middle East – a conceptual rival to China’s New Silk Road, the increasingly discredited belt and road initiative (BRI). Biden has used successive summits to try to rebrand a clunky western alternative to Belt and Road, and this seems the most persuasive so far.

Officials in the countries involved, including Israel and Saudi Arabia, are expected within 60 days to come up with a timeline for the projects – linking energy grids, laying undersea and overland cables, and providing more digital connections. Some of the tasks involve installing hydrogen pipelines from Israel to Europe, which administration officials hope will advance clean energy goals.

Rajesh Rajagopalan, a professor of international politics at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said: “The BRI was China’s geopolitical calling card.” He said the scope of the India, Middle East, Europe corridor could “reshape the discourse around development and infrastructure assistance, taking the fight to Beijing on the international stage”.

so funny thing about that India-Middle East-European Economic Corridor (IMEC) project they announced at the g20:

quote:

But there is a fly in the ointment, so to speak, regarding the ambitions of Imec when it comes to beating the Chinese — Imec will be piggybacking off existing Chinese BRI projects in some key areas. Forget, for a moment, that cross-border infrastructure development projects in the Arabian Peninsula have a poor track record in connecting ambition with reality — a planned rail network connecting the six member states of the Gulf Cooperation Council remains incomplete more than a decade after it was announced with great fanfare. China has played a key role in building out rail capacity in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, implementing multibillion-dollar railroad construction programs in recent years.

Imec faces similar contradictory problems regarding two of the major ports envisioned to feature in its connectivity scheme — Haifa in Israel and Piraeus in Greece. In 2021, Israel opened a new $1.7 billion port in Haifa, built and operated by the Shanghai International Port Group. And since 2019, China and Greece have been implementing a €600 million ($636 million) project at Greece’s largest port, Piraeus, which has been overseen by China’s Cosco Shipping as part of China’s BRI-driven initiative to boost trade between Asia and Europe.

quote:

In many ways, Imec mirrors the experience of another PGII project announced by President Biden at the 2023 G20 summit: The rehabilitation of the Lobito Corridor, a 1,300 kilometer Angolan railway that connects with the Democratic Republic of Congo and Zambia. The Lobito Corridor piggybacks off the existing Benguela corridor, which between 2006 and 2014 was rehabilitated by a subsidiary of the China Railway Construction Corp. What distinguishes the US and EU approach from that of the Chinese, Helaina Matza, acting special coordinator for PGII at the State Department, recently said, is that their investments in the Lobito Corridor are done “in a meaningful way … that supports our values and our objectives, which includes supporting democracies.” The Chinese, on the other hand, operate with little rhetorical fanfare or associated “values” agenda.
https://www.energyintel.com/0000018a-d018-d837-ad9f-d9f8b3400000

so if it even goes ahead, it'd basically be the west joining the BRI lmao

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Bald Stalin posted:

Meats cheaper in Australia too it's awesome thanks president xi

cheaper food in china = bad
triple digit actual food inflation in US = good

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Palladium posted:

cheaper food in china = bad
triple digit actual food inflation in US = good

food prices going up means a bigger GDP = good

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
https://twitter.com/ProfitAgri/status/1706626460184920090?t=piZbeuddsdIRm8F-dgbtcQ&s=19

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

crepeface posted:

it's time to expand the Ever Normal Granaries to include delicious pork buns

They already do

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

that owns

also the article keeps using the phase 'strategic pork reserves' and I giggle everytime

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*


quote:

The United States Strategic Petroleum Reserve, with a storage capacity of 714 million barrels, was created to reduce the effects of oil supply disruptions and is an important foreign policy tool. And up until 2015, the United States had a National Raisin Reserve, which was created by the government following World War II to control prices.

The raisin reserve allowed producers to collectively influence supply, demand and prices. Likened to a government operated cartel, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered the reserve to cease operations, ruling it unconstitutional.

funny how stockpiling food is unconstitutional but stockpiling oil isn't.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Marcos Bid to Challenge China on Disputed Shoal Pressures US

quote:

Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. spent the first 15 months of his term working with the US and its allies to counter China’s incursions in the South China Sea. Now, his government is taking the fight more directly to Beijing in a move that could force the US to make some tough choices.

Marcos this week ordered a “special operation” in which his coast guard removed a barrier installed by China at the entrance of the Scarborough Shoal, a chain of reefs and rocks the two sides claim as their own. Footage posted by the Philippine coast guard shows a knife-wielding man in scuba gear slicing through a rope connecting buoys that they say threatened fishermen and was “a clear violation of international law.”

lol the US is signaling that the Philippines is taking it too far too fast

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
China has put the world’s oil cartel into a death spiral



quote:

Watch what Saudi Arabia does, not what it says.

Saudi and OPEC officials self-evidently do not believe their own claim that world oil demand will keep growing briskly for another generation as if electric vehicles had never been invented, and there was no such thing as the Paris Accord.
...
With a lag, EVs are now starting to take a material bite, with an S-curve trajectory likely to go parabolic this decade.

China’s EVs sales hit 38 per cent this summer, even though subsidies have mostly been scrapped. This is far ahead of schedule under Beijing’s New Energy Vehicle Industry Development Plan.

China’s Chebai think tank says the emerging consensus is that EV sales will hit 17m or 60 per cent of total Chinese share by 2025, rising to 90 per cent by 2030, assuming that the grid can keep up.

Li Xiang, founder of the booming Chinese carmaker Li Auto, thinks EV sales will reach 80 per cent as soon as 2025. Rival BYD is selling over 50,000 EVs a week, including its workaday Seagull retailing for $US10,200 in the home market.

Could we have some in Britain please.

Vietnam is a few years behind but with similar ambitions. Its EV start-up, VinFast Auto, became the world’s third most valuable carmaker after it launched on Nasdaq last month, briefly worth as much as the German car industry before the share price came back down to earth.

Whether produced by China or regional rivals, cheap mass market EVs will flood southeast Asia and much of the global South, whatever the West does.

OPEC’s central premise has long been that the rise of a billion-strong middle class in emerging Asia will more than offset declining oil use in the OECD bloc. That notion is ‘withering under scrutiny’.

India is not going to rescue OPEC. EV sales have already surpassed one million so far this year, many made in India’s EV capital of Krishnagiri.

The International Energy Agency (IEA) says global oil demand will peak at 105.5m b/d in 2028 and then flatten for a few years before going into decline. This innocuous forecast prompted a furious anathema from OPEC headquarters.

“It is an extremely risky and impractical narrative to dismiss fossil fuels, or to suggest that they are at the beginning of their end. What makes such predictions so dangerous, is that they are often accompanied by calls to stop investing in new oil and gas projects,” said OPEC chief Haitham al-Ghais.

“Such narratives only set the global energy system up to fail spectacularly. It would lead to energy chaos on a potentially unprecedented scale,” he said.

suggests that the Saudis are forcing the price too high for their own good.

Brent futures may spike higher this autumn but probably not for long. China has stopped buying for its strategic reserve. The rally looks stretched.

The decline of oil in car and bus transport may be closer than almost anybody imagined.

“If oil goes above $US100 there is going to be a buyers’ strike. Spare capacity is the highest in years and ‘spec shorts’ are the lowest in 12 years, so when this turns there could be a very big move (down),” said Hansen.

Personally, I had assumed that there would be one final supercycle for oil over the early to mid 2020s, with prices hitting $US150 to $US200 as stubborn demand collides with a ten-year drought in upstream investment.

This has been overtaken by the breathtaking pace of global electrification. The decline of oil in car and bus transport may be closer than almost anybody imagined. OPEC as we know it may be on the cusp of a death spiral.


China ftw

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1706796634741366820?t=Qh_vDrQcWJ5WNPWC9BLRMA&s=19

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/mondefense/status/1707324738056646739?s=46

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Indigenous defense submarines ftw

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001

Honky Mao posted:

Indigenous defense submarines ftw

Similar to the I Dont Fly, they now have a I Dont Swim.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Patriot apparently means multiple meetings with high level us state department and intelligence agency officials that others in his company admitted were collision to destabilize Hong Kong and provide justification for sanctions.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
That was a lot faster than I thought. I thought the Taiwan sub was going to take a few more years.

I heard they secretly paid S Korean contractors for technical info and SK caught a couple guys because they didn't want to piss off Beijing.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

ikanreed posted:

Patriot apparently means multiple meetings with high level us state department and intelligence agency officials that others in his company admitted were collision to destabilize Hong Kong and provide justification for sanctions.

Lmao that he also was the "Chinese oligarch" steve bannon had connections with

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

ikanreed posted:

Patriot apparently means multiple meetings with high level us state department and intelligence agency officials that others in his company admitted were collision to destabilize Hong Kong and provide justification for sanctions.

that's right

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

ikanreed posted:

Patriot apparently means multiple meetings with high level us state department and intelligence agency officials that others in his company admitted were collision to destabilize Hong Kong and provide justification for sanctions.

As seen in the documentary movie "The Patriot", patriots have a great affection for the US and its symbols.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmHqW21S9c

The Korean guy was brought in as a expert to predict what the Korean government will do

He basically said straight up, when poo poo hits the fan, the main goal of the SK government will be 1 deal with NK's aggression; and 2, provide rear logistic support to the US military

He went on to explain NK/Kim has given signs multiple times they will support China's unification war. As for why SK won't join the front line fighting, his explanation is Beijing has given warming many times if SK send the naval ships, Beijing will attack SK. One reason is SK is the "weakest of the 3 between SK, JP and US". But if SK only provide logistic support, Beijing will have the option to choose respond militarily or choose to deal with US and Japan first.

I don't think SK military is actually weaker than Japan, but I think they have made up their minds this is the excuse they will go with to not join the actual fighting.

Also one interesting stat of from Korean public survey regarding SK government's potential response

Do not get involve: 18%
Only provide logistic support: 42%
Provide military support: 22%

He said he is surprised the 2 get involved answers added together are over half, but reminded interviewer that current SK public has a very high dislike China sentiment compared to 10 years ago.

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Really banking on nuclear primacy huh

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmHqW21S9c

The Korean guy was brought in as a expert to predict what the Korean government will do

He basically said straight up, when poo poo hits the fan, the main goal of the SK government will be 1 deal with NK's aggression; and 2, provide rear logistic support to the US military

He went on to explain NK/Kim has given signs multiple times they will support China's unification war. As for why SK won't join the front line fighting, his explanation is Beijing has given warming many times if SK send the naval ships, Beijing will attack SK. One reason is SK is the "weakest of the 3 between SK, JP and US". But if SK only provide logistic support, Beijing will have the option to choose respond militarily or choose to deal with US and Japan first.

I don't think SK military is actually weaker than Japan, but I think they have made up their minds this is the excuse they will go with to not join the actual fighting.

Also one interesting stat of from Korean public survey regarding SK government's potential response

Do not get involve: 18%
Only provide logistic support: 42%
Provide military support: 22%

He said he is surprised the 2 get involved answers added together are over half, but reminded interviewer that current SK public has a very high dislike China sentiment compared to 10 years ago.

I can't imagine why people would be so for getting their country bombee in order to support some bullshit America started. Especially given how American service members act, Okinawa is life the only sane place in the world that doesn't want these maniacs around

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

crepeface posted:

funny how stockpiling food is unconstitutional but stockpiling oil isn't.

the people are clamoring for the return of the National Raisin Reserve. Mr Trump do the needful

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1707143974996070433

goddamn i hate this country

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015



:tutbutt:

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015



all farmland should be nationalized

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i just cant figure out why china wants their pandas back from the racist psychotic nation that keeps talking about stealing them

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


bring our boys in black and white back home

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Foreign soil for me but not for thee.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Panda rear end war.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Fetterman is allowed to win with a D next to his name by the party despite being slightly to the left of it due to his absolute fealty to the blob. there is not one iota of separation of his foreign policy views from those of the most depraved Saudi and Lockheed funded think tank.

fanfic insert
Nov 4, 2009



lol they gave it a reddit name

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
is there a protective wrap on it or something (other than the ROKC flag cover on the front), this doesnt look right




e: whoops wrong puppet state abbreviation

Raskolnikov38 has issued a correction as of 18:01 on Sep 28, 2023

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

it looks like it's made of paper mache

celadon
Jan 2, 2023

yellowcar posted:

it looks like it's made of paper mache

that may affect its performance underwater

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fanfic insert
Nov 4, 2009
a semi-refloatable submarine

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