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Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

GD_American posted:

I'm trying to picture the 13% of SSA they did furlough. Do-nothing non-supe 14s in Baltimore that said "yeah lay me off I need boat time"?

I think it's mostly like, development staff in systems- I'm in ODIS and we only have 5-6 people out of our whole division that are expected to stay on working.

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Delorence Fickle
Feb 21, 2011
I had to proofread and post up to the public my agency's shutdown plan yesterday.


https://www.ferc.gov/news-events/news/ferc-posts-plan-operating-event-lapse-appropriations-1

Once the money runs out. We get out.

EDIT:

Ghost Cactus posted:

Has anyone moved laterally/to the same step and grade before? If you have, why did you?

Yes.

More money (career ladder), less stress and no production quotas.

Delorence Fickle fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Sep 23, 2023

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
My IRS remote call site kicked out an email telling everyone we can't work more than ten hours of overtime per week and no overtime after 6 pm, starting 25 September (this Monday).

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


AtomicSX posted:

Yep, between sick -> annual -> parental I'm stretching it out to about 5 months. Will be down to about 3 weeks each of sick and annual banked when I come back.

Having just done this... it owns. Im also hoping for a bonus round of shut down baby leave now

El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

AtomicSX posted:

Yep, between sick -> annual -> parental I'm stretching it out to about 5 months. Will be down to about 3 weeks each of sick and annual banked when I come back.

Yeah that's what I did:

6 weeks of sick leave immediately following the birth + the 12 weeks of paid leave + another month of annual.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Shutdown looks inevitable at this point. The remaining question is probably whether it's just a day or two that spurs them into a deal or whether it becomes a sprawling affair

Crickets from my agency so far--no communications at all about it. my job involves a lot of scheduled meetings with the public, and I emailed various people for the coming week to give them a heads up that we'd probably have to reschedule. Half of the responses are supportive and the rest are :confused: and had no idea such a thing was possible

Thesaurus fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Sep 28, 2023

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
Last shut down I had vacation time scheduled the week it started so I got to take that time off and didn't use any vacation time so it worked out well enough. Also, IIRC the last shut down ended because the flight attendant's union threatened to shut down all airline travel in the US so they have the power. I guess we'll see how long it takes before they end up using it...

Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH
Between my shitshow of a home office, the HOA crawling up my rear end to powerwash the driveway and the all the doctor's/dentists visits I need to schedule

Lucca Blight
Jun 2, 2009
Can't wait for all the non essentials at my job to get to jerk off at home not working and still get paid.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Here's a question, I'd taken AL for Sunday and Monday next week. Am I gonna get that back if (when) the government is shut down, or am I out of luck?

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Here's a question, I'd taken AL for Sunday and Monday next week. Am I gonna get that back if (when) the government is shut down, or am I out of luck?

What I recall from the last shutdown, all scheduled leave is cancelled. If you're an essential employee, you're expected to be at work. If you're a non-essential employee, you're furloughed, so you will be off those days anyway. When you return to work, you will have those 2 days of AL available.

Rakeris
Jul 20, 2014

Last place I worked if you needed to take leave while essential, you couldn't take leave exactly, you just signed furlough papers for any days you took off. (Some peeps used it as a free vacation)

E: On another note the communication coming from my agency leadership is honestly surprisingly good, considering 90% of our staff are WCF, but the GF peeps are happy about the quality of info and communication even though it's not necessarily good.

Rakeris fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Sep 28, 2023

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


I certainly hope I won't be called back as essential, I had my last day in my office last week and am on admin leave while I move to another state to report to my new location. It's with the USCIS, so at least it's fee funded? Dunno, but I am excited to see how it all works out.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Acebuckeye13 posted:

Here's a question, I'd taken AL for Sunday and Monday next week. Am I gonna get that back if (when) the government is shut down, or am I out of luck?
Technically no. All leave will be cancelled, so you will not get it back because you will have not used it in the first place.

In practical terms, yes, you will get it back.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Lucca Blight posted:

Can't wait for all the non essentials at my job to get to jerk off at home not working and still not get paid.

Butt Science
Sep 3, 2007

I took AL for the first week of October and just confirmed with my boss that, even though I'm exempt, I'm free to just go on my vacation and he's not gonna bother me. So, regardless of all other consequences of a shutdown, it'd be cool to get those 40 hours back.

DHS management just sent an email about a potential lapse in funding. Haven't seen that recently even with the hemming and hawing about CRs the last few years, so seeming more and more likely.

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

Lucca Blight posted:

Can't wait for all the non essentials at my job me to get to jerk off at home not working and still retroactively get paid.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude
We even just got an email saying that Overtime was continuing so hey, come to USCIS.

edit: Although, jerking off all day and playing video games sounds like a good time too.

Lucca Blight
Jun 2, 2009
I've been trying, USCIS doesn't want me :qq:

rodbeard
Jul 21, 2005

I applied for a USCIS job at some point and my application got sent to a hiring manager so that's the farthest I've gotten.

Mush Mushi
Sep 9, 2007
I was just forced to perform a skit over teams. Shut it down right now.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
Wow, I think I'd lose it if I was asked to do skits outside of possibly some sort of training class. Especially 2 days before a shutdown.

I've had some interviews with local govt jobs. Their hiring pace is kind of the same. I'm ready to retire and get kicked repeatedly in my left nut instead of the right I guess.

Fritzler
Sep 5, 2007


Acebuckeye13 posted:

Here's a question, I'd taken AL for Sunday and Monday next week. Am I gonna get that back if (when) the government is shut down, or am I out of luck?

Here is what I sent to a coworker asking the same question. Here is the relevant part from page 12:

quote:

May a furloughed employee take previously approved paid time off (e.g., annual leave,
sick leave, paid parental leave, disabled veteran leave, court leave, military leave, or
leave for bone marrow/organ donor leave, or compensatory time off, including religious
compensatory time off) during a lapse in appropriations?


A. No, a furloughed employee may not use previously approved paid time off during a lapse
in appropriations. Consistent with the Constitution, the Antideficiency Act does not allow
authorization of any expenditure before an appropriation is made. Also, the Antideficiency
Act does not allow the Government to incur budgetary obligations before an appropriation is
made—unless authorized by law (31 U.S.C. 1341(a)(1)(B)). Based on law and OMB and
DOJ guidance, certain types of obligations (but not expenditures) are allowed during a lapse
in appropriations. The use of previously approved paid time off during a lapse in
appropriations would create an obligation or a debt owed by the Government that is not
authorized by the Antideficiency Act or other law during a lapse (except under a special
provision for excepted employees in 31 U.S.C. 1341(c)(3)), and is thus prohibited. (See
Question F.2. regarding paid time off for excepted employees.)

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
I look forward to getting paid to watch YouTube all day.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Fritzler posted:

Here is what I sent to a coworker asking the same question. Here is the relevant part from page 12:

You won't be charged leave but you won't have to be at work if you're non excepted either, and if you had previously planned travel and your management aren't dick heads you won't have to cancel your plans. If you're excepted figure it out with your bosses.

They have to use this annoying lawyer language but that's the bottom line.

Fell Fire
Jan 30, 2012


We apparently have enough for payroll through the end of next week, or so sayeth the Deputy Administrator. Still have to find out, but I might be traveling after all.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


*points at head* up here I'm already furloughed

FeculentWizardTits
Aug 31, 2001

They tell me I'm nonessential, but the joke's on them: I've known for years

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
This is the first time the military won't get paid as well as the civilian government, right?

Serjeant Buzfuz
Dec 5, 2009

Active duty pay has been suspended before, I remember USAA giving me a payday loan to cover my bills.

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school
Dinosaur Gum
Yeah that was the case in 2013 I think, but it got resolved before we missed an actual paycheck

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Finally had a meeting today about the poo poo show. Confirmed that 95% of agency is going to be furloughed lol

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
For amy lurkers in the thread for whom this is their first shutdown--I would download your last few paystubs from EPP or employee account and upload your SF-50 or any other proof of employment to your USAjobs account to print it out or email it later to your landlord or utilities. Might need it in case things get drawn out long enough to miss a paycheck.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Thesaurus posted:

Finally had a meeting today about the poo poo show. Confirmed that 95% of agency is going to be furloughed lol

I haven't been in the office since Wednesday (took yesterday sick, and RDO today), so idk if there was any meeting or anything, but I read the department's contingency report thing and was surprised to see about 2/3 of my agency continues to work. I'm in the 1/3 that's furloughed, though.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



There was a big hairy VTC led by OPM yesterday where everyone got their agency specific direction so everyone did the final tune up on their plans last night and distributed them today.

Fell Fire
Jan 30, 2012


EPA is working next week, there are funds to cover payroll. According to the union, it's unknown if we'll get paid for that on time or have to wait until this is resolved. Trips are canceled though, which is an annoyance since I had one scheduled.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
If you're wondering how well prepared SSA was, we had an emergency meeting around 1pm with 10 minutes' notice while our office was open (finish with clients, if you can't in time put em back in the lobby). And our management team is open and communicative enough I know they were basically briefing us right on the backs of being told.

We're all coming unpaid. No word yet on workloads, because Kilolo Kijakazi (PhD, MSW) apparently had more important things to do for Left-Handed Non-Binary Inuit Week or something

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

GD_American posted:

We're all coming unpaid. No word yet on workloads, because Kilolo Kijakazi (PhD, MSW) apparently had more important things to do for Left-Handed Non-Binary Inuit Week or something

Jesus Christ dude

Volunteer to attend the training again because it didn't stick

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
This is why we all have to wait for the timer to tick down on each "slide".

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Sep 30, 2023

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Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Unamed republican house sources think that it could be two weeks, which would suit me just fine!

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