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They don't worship the Vorta but they do listen to them. It's even in several episodes where they straight up tell them to gently caress off because it's not their business.
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Hollismason posted:They don't worship the Vorta but they do listen to them. It's even in several episodes where they straight up tell them to gently caress off because it's not their business. Yeah it's an interesting dynamic. The Vorta are the source of the White, not the Founders. If the control/addiction is that powerful, than it's between the Jem Hadar and the Vorta, not the Founders. The Vorta are the ones opening up those cases of White and handing them out when the time comes.
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Sep 28, 2023 15:05
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the vorta are their bosses and the founders are their gods. bosses suck!
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Sep 28, 2023 15:07
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The Jem'Hadar were great on DS9, they could just have been a weird monster race that the Dominion used for conquest, but even being vat cloned drug controlled soldiers they somehow had a whole culture and way of life. This is still one of my favorite exchanges on the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGY3pp1NpXM
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Sep 28, 2023 16:33
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Sep 28, 2023 16:35
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yeah isn't it like - the vorta started worshipping the founders and gave the jem'hadar the white in service of their lords? so it's not as simple as, it's just between the vorta and the jem'hadar, ultimately it all comes back to the dominion
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Sep 28, 2023 16:39
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Soul Dentist posted:I use a TAMPONN instead of a PADD Makes sense if you are working security. You want an airgapped specialised Personal Access Data Device like the Tactical Augmented Maps PADD On No Network.
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Sep 28, 2023 16:48
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The Problem with PADDs where they start self replicating out of control, turns out the source of the problem was an ensign looking at porn and getting a virus.
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MikeJF posted:There's a bit in prodigy where Rok is looking something up on a console and wants it to go so she just taps a button and the console just dispenses a new padd with the stuff on it out of a slot but then she sees something else she wants so she's like 'ooo' and bips that out on another one and then something else on a third. I would absolutely have hundreds of the things strewn around. Absolutely, I'd have a chest full of data rods and PADDs "just in case". What possible scenario would I need them? Who's to say. But I will NEVER be unable to watch Colin Firth in Pride and Prejudice, come Sto-vo-kor or high water!
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Sep 28, 2023 17:59
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Tiberius Christ posted:The Jem'Hadar were great on DS9, they could just have been a weird monster race that the Dominion used for conquest, but even being vat cloned drug controlled soldiers they somehow had a whole culture and way of life. This is still one of my favorite exchanges on the show: There's that one interaction between Sisko and one on a desert waste sort of area that was a good insight too. They're usually one step ahead of the Vorta but still obey as "that is the order of things".
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Sep 28, 2023 19:06
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Was ketracel white some sort of heavy handed metaphor about the crack cocaine epidemic or something?
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Sep 28, 2023 19:19
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I don’t think so, but the Kazon on Voyager were conceived as analogous to ‘LA street gangs’ which is something that did not age well Especially when we find out later that they were slaves under the Trabe until they rebelled and took their poo poo
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Sep 28, 2023 19:35
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Facebook Aunt posted:I bet those were inspired by Automats. I'm not sure if american automats were still around in the 60s, but they were certainly in living memory. Embarrassingly I only made the Replimat -> Automat connection like a month ago.
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Sep 28, 2023 19:50
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The A had a kitchen.
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Have they said what the crew compliment is for Strange New Worlds? Is it still in the 150 range.
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Sep 28, 2023 20:54
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Counting the cetaceans?
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Endless Trash posted:Was ketracel white some sort of heavy handed metaphor about the crack cocaine epidemic or something? Well, yes and no. Jemmies don't need to eat or drink when they get ketracel white, but then again it also includes an enzyme that is vital to stay alive for 99.9% of them. They literally die if they disobey their masters and get cut off from the supply.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:13
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there's also that scene in the episode with the rogue Jem'Hadar going after an Iconian gateway, and Sisko asks Weyoun "why don't you just order them to stand down" and Weyoun says "uhhhhhh well we may have overstated the degree to which the Jem'Hadar are actually fanatically loyal"
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Tiberius Christ posted:The Jem'Hadar were great on DS9, they could just have been a weird monster race that the Dominion used for conquest, but even being vat cloned drug controlled soldiers they somehow had a whole culture and way of life. This is still one of my favorite exchanges on the show: Yes, they were implemented very well I thought - complete freaks but still fleshed out enough to make them distinct from random kill drones. And every now and then there's a little tease about how much agency they really have but overall their programming is too thorough for it to get anywhere. I just finished the show for the first time, I think it's a minor shame they take a back seat to the Breen in the final episodes, I was interested to see how big of a role they would play in the climax, but not much apparently.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:27
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Yea the Jem Hadar don't give a poo poo about the Vorta but they do revere the founders. They do what the Vorta say because they have the Ketracel.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:35
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The breen are such a pisstake too, they come in for like 3 or 4 episodes in the entire show
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Sep 28, 2023 21:40
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Endless Trash posted:Was ketracel white some sort of heavy handed metaphor about the crack cocaine epidemic or something? I always thought it was supposed to be a direct parallel to how the Warlords of Post WW3 Earth used drug addiction to control their soldiers . The Dominion during the earlier seasons had a theme of being an evil bizarro version of the Federation. A multi species polity united through paranoia instead of trust.
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the show doesn't really go into what is up with the breen at all. we never learn anything about their culture or motivations. i figure that jem'hadar simply required too much time and manpower for makeup, so they hit a limit on how many and how often they could use them. thus, enter the breen: a new alien enemy that doesn't require any makeup at all.
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Sep 28, 2023 22:22
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The Breen are great because you get a lot of characters around them speaking in awkward sentences for the benefit of the audience who can’t speak Breen.
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The Breen also look like Vulcans and that’s why they hide their faces. It’s always Vulcans.
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Sep 28, 2023 22:36
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there are two types of alien: forehead crinckle and pointy ears
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In the DS9 anime there would be a filler arc where an insane federation scientist makes 'Ketracel Black' that makes a squad of Jem Hadar invincible and loyal only to him. Worf would have to defeat him by becoming host to a prophet
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Sep 28, 2023 22:54
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it's still really really funny that worf's triumphant moment against the jem'hadar was based on his incredible ability to take a beating.
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Beef posted:Counting the cetaceans? I always assumed the cetaceans weren't added to the crew until some time after The Voyage Home. The experience with an alien probe coming to talk to whales would have made humanity realise it was worth reaching down to try and communicate with them, and eventually that developed into taking them into space with us.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:In the DS9 anime there would be a filler arc where an insane federation scientist makes 'Ketracel Black' that makes a squad of Jem Hadar invincible and loyal only to him. Worf would have to defeat him by becoming host to a prophet DS9 did have that one episode where one character became host to a Prophet and another character became host to a Pah-Wraith and they shot anime beams at each other
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John Wick of Dogs posted:In the DS9 anime there would be a filler arc where an insane federation scientist makes 'Ketracel Black' that makes a squad of Jem Hadar invincible and loyal only to him.
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naem posted:there are two types of alien: forehead crinckle and pointy ears Once AGAIN we see Anti-Bajoran PROPAGANDA itt!!! 
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Sep 28, 2023 23:39
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Nose ridges count as forehead wrinkles.
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Sep 28, 2023 23:49
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RandolphCarter posted:Nose ridges count as forehead wrinkles. Look at bit of botox and we can get rid of those and look a lot younger and prettier! Hey, hey, hey what do you mean I'm being a culturally insensitive jerk, I was just saying we can get rid of all those ugly nose wrinkles!!!
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's still really really funny that worf's triumphant moment against the jem'hadar was based on his incredible ability to take a beating. He trained for that all his life. Finally, finally, all those beatdowns on TNG pay off.
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Facebook Aunt posted:He trained for that all his life. Finally, finally, all those beatdowns on TNG pay off. I'm having the time of my life!
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Sep 28, 2023 23:57
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This is not blood, it is warrior wine.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's still really really funny that worf's triumphant moment against the jem'hadar was based on his incredible ability to take a beating. Still a good fight and "I cannot defeat this Klingon, I can only kill him!" is one hell of a line
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It’s weird that Romulans gained forehead ridges and it’s even weirder in the SNW season 1 finale that anyone looks directly at Spock and goes “omg” when the guy on the screen has funny forehead ridges but Spock doesn’t.
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Gutcruncher posted:It’s weird that Romulans gained forehead ridges and it’s even weirder in the SNW season 1 finale that anyone looks directly at Spock and goes “omg” when the guy on the screen has funny forehead ridges but Spock doesn’t. You see anyone else with pointy ears?
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