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Sash! posted:Luke literally flew in one of the novels already. In 1994. Cage Kicker posted:I feel like ever since the RPG and Dark Forces 2, there’s been a trend of assigning different abilities in the Force as Dark or Light and giving them all names like Harry Potter spells. Luke clearly does something to one of Java’s guards in ROtJ but I don’t think he was Casting the Dark Side Ability Force Choke like some people will fight to the death over
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Marsupial Ape posted:Point of order: A Jedi uses the Force to make a squad of stormtroopers to think their blaster rifles are snakes and run away in panic. It is a non-violent solution, but definitely causes fear and madness in the victim. Would that be a Light Side or Dark Side act? I dunno, throwing an evil emperor down a shaft and ending an evil regime, saving billions of lives across the known galaxy in the process... but his bald girl back home will miss him and cry and feel loss. Ending the empire seems pretty dark sider by that measure doesnt it? If a force sensitive tree falls in the woods of endor and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound in the force?
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Sep 28, 2023 20:52
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They are Force 'powers', not Force 'spells'. Please respect the inherent dignity of this carpeted conversation pit.
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Sep 28, 2023 20:52
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Marsupial Ape posted:They are Force 'powers', not Force 'spells'. Please respect the inherent dignity of this carpeted conversation pit. Ok but what about force spells? The Thought Bomb seems pretty hosed up and if you went there and a tree grew over top of the cave and you went into the tree to train, how much worse would it be than on dagobah?
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Sep 28, 2023 20:56
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Marsupial Ape posted:They are Force 'powers', not Force 'spells'. Please respect the inherent dignity of this carpeted conversation pit. Then why are they located in a "spells" file in KOTOR/2? Checkmate, uh...Forceists Legends-era Sith Force practitioners were definitely more akin to spell-casters (see also, Palps' flaming cauldron in TCW/Rebels when he's messing with Yoda/Tano respectively)  Even comes with an incantation: "Kintik hadzuska sutta chwituskak! Kintik hadzuska sutta chwituskak! Jiaasjen Jidai, jiassjen Jidai!"
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Sep 28, 2023 21:03
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The Force, much like science, is whatever we want it to be.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:05
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Also I’m pretty sure the SNES Star Wars series did stuff like using the Force to fly and heal first
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Sep 28, 2023 21:06
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Super Empire Strikes Back and Super Return of the Jedi had some levitation powers but they used up so much force and had limited enough mobility I wouldn't describe it as flying.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:08
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The only thing certain about the mechanics of the force is it's too boring of a topic for characters to actually talk about at length in a space adventure. Only secondary media such as video games, where it might make sense mechanically to frame them as magic spells, can step into that breach
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Sep 28, 2023 21:08
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Thats one thing I liked about the sith over Jedi, there were so many more aspects and vocations. Sith alchemists, all the different specializations really. Jedi were really limited and it seems like anything adjacent was considered forbidden.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:09
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All of the "new" force powers seen in the prequels and sequels were in an RPG or videogame first Speed Lightning Absorption (Obiwan shoulda taught that to Luke imo) Drain Stasis Skype Heal Owlbear Camus posted:It's like when people thought "Grogu" was a stupid name and got mad at it. Which like yes, it is, but so is every random assemblage of fantasy syllables. I guarantee if it was all reversed and they'd named the kung fu master muppet guy in 1981 "Grogu" and we'd been calling this little poo poo "Baby Grogu" and the big reveal of the unfamilliar name we had to get used to in 2021 was "Yoda," it would hit the ear as just as dumb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6d1dR2170o
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Sep 28, 2023 21:10
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bentacos posted:The Force, much like science, is whatever we want it to be.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:10
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Sombrerotron posted:I don't remember if that was in one of the Jedi Academy books but if so, I'd say it sounds like it was actually one of that garbage series' less egregious examples of abusing the Force to accomplish whatever was convenient for their absurd plot. Courtship of Princess Leia. Han speculated it was the origin of his surname.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:12
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Assepoester posted:All of the "new" force powers seen in the prequels and sequels were in an RPG or videogame first When was Force Skype a thing prior to the ST?
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Sep 28, 2023 21:13
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bentacos posted:The Force, much like science, is whatever we want it to be. We have no way of knowing where the heart is. See, every human is different. Dr Spaceman was probably one of the guys making Snokes.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:15
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Sash! posted:Courtship of Princess Leia. Han speculated it was the origin of his surname.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:16
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Sep 28, 2023 21:22
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Larryb posted:When was Force Skype a thing prior to the ST? KOTOR. Kreia tele-nags you when big poo poo is coming up and you better save your game
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Sep 28, 2023 21:30
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‘Force sensitivity’ is just a sort of bioelectric field, generated by alien microbes, that can be influenced through concentration. Dividing these actions into ‘light’ and ‘dark’ is like drawing an arbitrary line between types of running, or swimming. Like you’re climbing a mountain with your evil muscles, or something. What we’re shown in the films is that this distinction by the Jedi has nothing to with which powers you use. So, for example, Yoda and Windu plot to assassinate Chancellor Palpatine and install ‘temporary’ Jedi rule over the Galaxy. Yoda admits that’s a ‘dark’ idea, but goes along with it anyways - for “the greater good”. At that point, it doesn’t matter if Yoda shoots electricity or not. It’s sinful regardless.
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Sep 28, 2023 21:39
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Look at this fool that believes in midichlorians
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Sep 28, 2023 21:59
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Palpatine: “I’m not racist, Chagrian friends”
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Sep 28, 2023 22:04
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I don't get where this thing in the air about midichlorians not mattering comes from. Granted disney is pretty much ignoring the concept for good or for ill, but it certainly mattered to george. It seems like some really wishful thinking to imagine his avowed midichlorian centric trilogy was going to end with "midichlorians don't matter actually, that idea was stupid"
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Sep 28, 2023 22:05
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No Mods No Masters posted:I don't get where this thing in the air about midichlorians not mattering comes from. Granted disney is pretty much ignoring the concept for good or for ill, but it certainly mattered to george. I’m more of an orgone guy, but I am picking up what you are putting down.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I don't get where this thing in the air about midichlorians not mattering comes from. Granted disney is pretty much ignoring the concept for good or for ill, but it certainly mattered to george. For my part I was just joking But that said, even from the time of TPM I've harbored the fan theory that it's just another one of those things the Jedi were simply wrong about. I like them being parasitic or symbiotic organisms that feed on force stuff so while they DO correlate pretty accurately to the potential of force users, they aren't the cause This is supported by, among other things, weird aliens and places and (at the time) even droids that were strong with the force despite not having what would be compatible biological systems Mostly it just doesn't matter at all, though
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:‘Force sensitivity’ is just a sort of bioelectric field, generated by alien microbes, that can be influenced through concentration. I choose to believe there are good and evil midichlorians.
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Sep 28, 2023 23:09
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Blackchamber posted:Thats one thing I liked about the sith over Jedi, there were so many more aspects and vocations. Sith alchemists, all the different specializations really. Well there was uh....Jedi librarian and...
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Sep 28, 2023 23:13
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maybealabia posted:For my part I was just joking I never really thought of them as the cause, just the correlation. That also explains why trying to infuse them into people never works.
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Sep 28, 2023 23:16
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The whole backlash against midichlorians made no sense to me, even back in 1999. OT: Luke has force powers because his dad did! OT: Force powers don't work on some species, like Jabba. Casual fans: yep, that works. And from the EU before 1999: Zahn: There are creatures which can dampen the force. Zahn: Clones of jedi also have jedi power. Anderson: Leia's kids - Vader's grandkids - are also great force users. Dark Forces: We can create force-using "dark troopers" through some process. Casual fans: yep, that works. But then! PT: Did you know that there's a biological component to force powers? Casual fans: WHAT? NOOOO! How could you do this to us?
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Tequila Bob posted:The whole backlash against midichlorians made no sense to me, even back in 1999. It's more that it's an infection and not something innate to that person Their microbiome is messed up but instead of Crohn's Disease they got Jean Grey powers The movie frames it very weirdly
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Please note that I don't actually give a poo poo it's just fun to talk about
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LinkesAuge posted:The athletics and physical powers of force users also continues to escalate over time. The cynic in me says that in 20 years from now Star Wars content will have force users which are indistinguishable from Superman Sash! posted:Luke literally flew in one of the novels already. In 1994. I read a good explanation years and years ago, probably in one of these threads, for why you can't use the Force to fly. Using the Force for telekinesis is like using it as an extension of your own body, with varying strength adjustments based on your skill and mental prowess ("size matters not"). Ergo, trying to use the Force to fly would be akin to putting your hands under your feet and lifting up. This stuck with me as such nice reasoning that it bugs me that Magneto can fly, but maybe Marvel powers are more magic-based.
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Hazo posted:I read a good explanation years and years ago, probably in one of these threads, for why you can't use the Force to fly. There's no reason a Jedi couldn't stand on a rock or something and levitate the rock. Doesn't Magneto wear a bunch of metal armor that he's similarly moving around while he's inside of it?
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Sep 28, 2023 23:58
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Anakin has a midichlorian level of over 20000 Was that meme even around in the year 2000?
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maybealabia posted:Please note that I don't actually give a poo poo it's just fun to talk about I feel like I need to set that as a permanent comment header. I’m an absurdist, you’re supposed either have a moderate chuckle or roll your eyes and scroll past. That’s the good life.
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Hazo posted:I read a good explanation years and years ago, probably in one of these threads, for why you can't use the Force to fly. Magneto isn't telekinetic though, he can manipulate the earth's magnetic field as he pleases so he can push anything around. It's more like driving a car with him inside. You're thinking more of Jean Grey.
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Sep 29, 2023 00:23
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Hmm. A Jack Parsons-esque chaos magic Force tradition would be fun. If we want to get into the Force as “numen or aether”, then there is all sorts of places you could take poo poo. The Force should not be confined by the boundaries of a ‘70s Comparative Religion 101 textbook’s chapter on “The Tao”. People get wiggity when wandering outside of George Lucas’ limited understanding of hand waving and bullshitting.
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Sep 29, 2023 00:33
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All this force talk reminded me that as a staunch opponent to a force using Sabine, I didn’t really have a problem with her getting pinged by Ahsoka. But that better be the end of it!
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Hazo posted:Using the Force for telekinesis is like using it as an extension of your own body, with varying strength adjustments based on your skill and mental prowess ("size matters not"). Ergo, trying to use the Force to fly would be akin to putting your hands under your feet and lifting up. Why wouldn't it be like walking on your hands or having invisible stilts?
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Jedi don’t really have fine control over objects they levitate so it’d make no sense that they could fly with any sort of agility. Every time we see them use telekinesis style powers it’s very brute force yank/pull, push, throw (or slow and deliberate movement like Yoda on the x-wing). You can extrapolate this to say they do use this on themselves for their long jumping. But yeah they should be able to levitate themselves and float around kinda slowly, not fly like a superhero.
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