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Remember that a falling cargo container is the only entity that has successfully caused Worf's clinical death.
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You take ketracel white five times, you're hooked for life. You take it a hundred times...you die.
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Sep 29, 2023 04:01
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John Murdoch posted:You take ketracel white five times, you're hooked for life. Taking it is better then sex though
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kdrudy posted:Taking it is better then sex though NNNNNYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
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Cons: you have to heat ketracel white in a spoon and inject into your arm Pros: turn invisible anytime
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Cookie Cutter posted:Yes, they were implemented very well I thought - complete freaks but still fleshed out enough to make them distinct from random kill drones. And every now and then there's a little tease about how much agency they really have but overall their programming is too thorough for it to get anywhere. I just finished the show for the first time, I think it's a minor shame they take a back seat to the Breen in the final episodes, I was interested to see how big of a role they would play in the climax, but not much apparently. I really liked the episode where the one Jem'Hadar discovered that he was immune to ketracel white addiction and immediately thought "how can I figure this out so I can free all my brothers from the control imposed on us?" And it makes sense because, if their genetically programmed loyalty to the Founders was absolute, why bother with the white at all? Why program a nutritional deficiency into their biology as a last-ditch safety measure? Because they're still sapient, which means they still have some degree of free will, no matter what they're programmed with. And that bears out in other edge situations like the Iconian gateway rebels and the dude who refuses to kill Worf.
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Tiberius Christ posted:Cons: you have to heat ketracel white in a spoon and inject into your arm Cons: the invisibility only works on getting apartment, employment or education opportunities, or any other help from the social services.
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Interesting that the Founders, who repeatedly poo poo on "solids" seemingly any chance they got, developed two classes of cloned solids that were programmed to worship them.
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it's a way to hide. they didn't want anyone to even know they existed, much less their true nature. if not for odo, the federation probably never would have found out.
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Gutcruncher posted:It’s weird that Romulans gained forehead ridges and it’s even weirder in the SNW season 1 finale that anyone looks directly at Spock and goes “omg” when the guy on the screen has funny forehead ridges but Spock doesn’t. the fact the romulans have both pointy ears and forehead crinkles make them incredibly dangerous
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redshirt posted:Interesting that the Founders, who repeatedly poo poo on "solids" seemingly any chance they got, developed two classes of cloned solids that were programmed to worship them.
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what evolutionary advantage is there for a puddle people to being sentient did they develop advanced societies and discover faster than light travel and the whole shebang, because it seems like the just want to be puddles all day. Like, amoebas do that without all the extra frou frou
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I'm a fan of the sci-fi idea of sentience as an emergent property of unusual states of matter. It's schlocky nonsense, of course, but it comes up just often enough to be interesting and fun when you see it. Doctor Who has had a couple of living stars, similar thing in obscure 90s adventure game Sentient. Phantasy Star Online 2 centers around a planet made entirely out of water that not only became sentient, it was effectively a living supercomputer that calculated the entire universe from first principles and became an access point to the Akashic Record. I'm not going to begrudge Star Trek its puddle people, especially since the stories it told with them were so good.
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naem posted:what evolutionary advantage is there for a puddle people to being sentient I assume it starts off like some ship finding their planet, doing scans and samples, and those samples learning how to impersonate sentience along with a bunch of shapes like Odo did. Then drop them back in the big ocean and, whoops, now the whole thing is self-aware.
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they could just put a big forcefield around the puddle planet and a sign that says “gently caress off”
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naem posted:they could just put a big forcefield around the puddle planet and a sign that says “gently caress off” The Federation would IMMEDIATELY bust past the force field for the most tenuous of reasons
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that’s true they’d send dozens of tasha tars to go drown in the puddle (in a very special episode)
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It's stated that the Changelings weren't always changelings and they evolved. One of the founders mentions it when Odo asks questions about his people. My personal theory is that the race we encounter in TNG where they find that all races share a genetic message are the changelings they look almost exactly the same. Episode is The Chase. Look up the alien they discover it strongly resembles a changeling. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Hollismason posted:It's stated that the Changelings weren't always changelings and they evolved. One of the founders mentions it when Odo asks questions about his people. That seems like a huge stretch. That a solid humanoid would be the ancestor to the Founders. That's some serious evolution. More likely IMO would be some spore or mold creature who evolved up into sentience.
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Hollismason posted:It's stated that the Changelings weren't always changelings and they evolved. One of the founders mentions it when Odo asks questions about his people. Plus it's the same actress who plays the Female Changeling in DS9
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Soul Dentist posted:The Federation would IMMEDIATELY bust past the force field for the most tenuous of reasons I think it's the TOS episode where they have to re-enact the gunfight at the OK Corral, that starts with "this alien species has proven extremely hostile to outsiders and has warned everyone not to approach. So anyway we're going to land on their planet and explain why they're wrong-"
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redshirt posted:That seems like a huge stretch. That a solid humanoid would be the ancestor to the Founders. That's some serious evolution. More likely IMO would be some spore or mold creature who evolved up into sentience. No they straight up say they were solids at one point.
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Hollismason posted:No they straight up say they were solids at one point. I don't remember that. Do you recall the episode?
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/\/\/\ Episode "Behind The Lines", season 6 number 4redshirt posted:That seems like a huge stretch. That a solid humanoid would be the ancestor to the Founders. That's some serious evolution. More likely IMO would be some spore or mold creature who evolved up into sentience. Why would the Founder lie about that to Odo? Neither she nor the Dominion would gain anything from the deception, either directly to Odo or from the information getting back to anyone he told. E: this is the universe where a sufficient degree of evolution can turn a physical being/species into a noncorporeal godlike energy form, but meat to goo is a bridge too far McSpanky fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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really they're just a very advanced form of cum, I don't see what all the hubbub is about
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Risa is well on its way to evolving
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McSpanky posted:E: this is the universe where a sufficient degree of evolution can turn a physical being/species into a noncorporeal godlike energy form, but meat to goo is a bridge too far
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McSpanky posted:/\/\/\ Episode "Behind The Lines", season 6 number 4 Thank you. I stand corrected.
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redshirt posted:Interesting that the Founders, who repeatedly poo poo on "solids" seemingly any chance they got, developed two classes of cloned solids that were programmed to worship them. Solids, man. Can't live with em, can't live without em
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I wonder if the founders had other clone races for different specialties or if the Vorta are saddled with literally everything non-combat related. There should be a “scientist race” whose clones who spend their entire lives in a single laboratory working on a single project that was started by their previous incarnation and will be continued by their next. Really go full Gattaca with Dominion Society to contrast it with the self-determination philosophy of the Federation. It might even serve as a good example of “See! This is what happens when you don’t outlaw genetic engineering!”
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Dabir posted:I'm a fan of the sci-fi idea of sentience as an emergent property of unusual states of matter. It's schlocky nonsense, of course, but it comes up just often enough to be interesting and fun when you see it. Doctor Who has had a couple of living stars, similar thing in obscure 90s adventure game Sentient. Phantasy Star Online 2 centers around a planet made entirely out of water that not only became sentient, it was effectively a living supercomputer that calculated the entire universe from first principles and became an access point to the Akashic Record. I'm not going to begrudge Star Trek its puddle people, especially since the stories it told with them were so good. My honest first thought every time I see the puddle people world is: Solaris It's a Polish sci-fi novel about people studying a planet with a pink sentient goo ocean (hmmm), and in a desperate effort to communicate, the goo ocean ends up replicating important people from the researchers past (HMMMMM). But the goo people aren't their loved ones, they act so alien that it just causes great upset among the researchers, uncovering old traumas, especially since the goo people disintegrate in the end. So everyone gets attached to their goo clone, then loses it. And the ocean and the people never come to a closer understanding, instead they isolate each other further. Everyone, including the ocean, would've been better off of not even trying to communicate. Its a very depressing read. The whole thing is about humanity grappling with trying to communicate with something that's ultimately impossible for us to truly understand, and it was basically a clapback at all this sci-fi with humanoid aliens. It's hard for me to see the Changelings as anything except 'what if we did Solaris from the pink goo ocean's perspective????' StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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I think the over all theme of never trust oceans of sentient goo is a good one TBH.
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galagazombie posted:I wonder if the founders had other clone races for different specialties or if the Vorta are saddled with literally everything non-combat related. There should be a “scientist race” whose clones who spend their entire lives in a single laboratory working on a single project that was started by their previous incarnation and will be continued by their next. Really go full Gattaca with Dominion Society to contrast it with the self-determination philosophy of the Federation. It might even serve as a good example of “See! This is what happens when you don’t outlaw genetic engineering!”
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dr_rat posted:I think the over all theme of never trust oceans of sentient goo is a good one TBH. I can fix her.
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the dominion was pretty hands-off unless you crossed them somehow. it's not really clear what their rules were, but that's probably because they hadn't been fully conceived during the first few seasons.
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galagazombie posted:I wonder if the founders had other clone races for different specialties or if the Vorta are saddled with literally everything non-combat related. There should be a “scientist race” whose clones who spend their entire lives in a single laboratory working on a single project that was started by their previous incarnation and will be continued by their next. Really go full Gattaca with Dominion Society to contrast it with the self-determination philosophy of the Federation. It might even serve as a good example of “See! This is what happens when you don’t outlaw genetic engineering!” They kind of implied something like this with some Vorta scientists trying to cure the section 31 virus. After they didn’t make much progress the head founder ordered them executed and their clones awakened to see if they could provide some fresh perspective.
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