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Anias posted:Also they have to justify his hosed up memories before the arches somehow. The only thing I didn't like about the tea scene was Mat just said "gently caress no" when offered to see the future via Min, but now he wants a similar knowledge from Ishy?
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:nothing they do outside of filming the images in my head is going to make me completely happy. Well...not with that attitude.  Skyl3lazer posted:The only thing I didn't like about the tea scene was Mat just said "gently caress no" when offered to see the future via Min, but now he wants a similar knowledge from Ishy? Min offered him the future. Ishy offered him the past.
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Sep 29, 2023 14:19
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I think they should retool and make the show about Lanfear. She rules.
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Sep 29, 2023 14:24
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Prequel about her boring the hole
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CainFortea posted:Min offered him the future. Ishy offered him the past. Ishy offered him the chance to see if that’s simply his nature (and obviously as the Father of Lies, he made sure that that is what Mat would see).
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Sep 29, 2023 14:42
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Mat cradling vision Mat and both of them screaming has my vote for funniest/freakiest moment in the show yet.
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Sep 29, 2023 14:47
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DTurtle posted:Ishy offered him the chance to see if that’s simply his nature (and obviously as the Father of Lies, he made sure that that is what Mat would see). I mean, it could entirely have been unrelated to any of his lives. It is Ishy.
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Sep 29, 2023 14:55
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William Bear posted:Mat cradling vision Mat and both of them screaming has my vote for funniest/freakiest moment in the show yet. Hell yeah  That was some serious comedy gold
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Sep 29, 2023 15:08
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Data Graham posted:Hell yeah the bit of quirky physical acting mat did as he was internally deciding to pour the tea or not was really well done. i'd love a gif of that Data Graham posted:Oh I see. I completely thought that arid desert they were in was meant to be the Waste i only read the books once in middle school but never thought of falme as desert so that threw me for a sec
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Data Graham posted:Oh I see. I completely thought that arid desert they were in was meant to be the Waste When they were burying Jolien they said something to the effect of "We thought burying her here felt a little more like home" Handy way of saying the Aiel come from a desert like place
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Pretty disappointed with cat crosses the courtyard after Rafe hyped it up on Twitter. If they want to use janky 15 cut editing, give me a flashy fashion model catwalk scene with Rand strutting into that throne room! Yeah that was a disappointment, I always envisioned that as a fashion model catwalk strut and... there really wasn't a difference in how he was moving before? Anyways, that's my one complaint. Loved this episode so much, I made a low effort meme of my favorite part: 
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Colonel Cool posted:I took it as Ishamael being misleading, telling Mat that that's tea that'll show him his past lives, but instead giving him tea that'll give him a bad trip that makes him want to give up on existence. Father of Lies indeed. Grundulum posted:This is the first time I’m going to be more down on an episode than the thread at large. It had the same feel as the slog: I get that they are maneuvering pieces into place, and it wasn’t wholly unenjoyable, but drat they just did not stick the landing in too many scenes. Lan’s little talk with Rand before he goes to see the Amyrlin was pitiful, and then Rand drops a line Lan didn’t say and Siuan somehow recognizes that Lan got to him? How did Lan know more about the Age of Legends than any of the Brown sisters Moiraine has been hanging out with? Where did he discover that you can cut tied-off knots, and why did Logain see something so different from what Rand did (Logain described thousands of strands in an intricate weave, and we/Rand saw a grapefruit-sized blip). What purpose did Egwene’s little training scene serve, since we already know she’s mad powerful? Why did the show make Siuan suddenly want to uphold Tower law, when her letting Rand go would have served just as well as fodder for the coup and would have been far more in keeping with her book character? I don't think non-readers know how powerful Egwene is, they just know that she's jealous of how strong Nynaeve is and all of the attention that garners for her. I think it's important they establish that Egwene is also extremely powerful and way above average, if not quite on Nynaeve's level. Lan being the one to figure out the tied off shield is , "She has a tell", levels of bad for me. But at least he got to be something besides a chump for once. And the rest of the season and episode are strong enough that the hiccups like this don't bother me as much as s1.
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i think Falme is literally shot in Morocco so yeah it's deserts that go right up to the sea
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Also when Elaine and nyneave walk into falme it's all desert behind them and every exterior shot of the city is surrounded by desert. There's even a camel which is basically the TV equivalent of putting a giant text card on the bottom of a shot that says filmed in a desert yo
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Sep 29, 2023 15:26
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Honest question for people that know more about filming than me: any ideas what was up with that "evening" shot with Perrin and the maidens outside of Falme? I assumed they wanted it to be later in the day to show the passage of time and dimmed it in post, but surely that wasn't worth loving up what should have been some premium scenery porn. I initially thought my TV was wigging out and had gone into dim mode or something.
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Sep 29, 2023 15:39
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Soonmot posted:Yeah that was a disappointment, I always envisioned that as a fashion model catwalk strut and... there really wasn't a difference in how he was moving before? Anyways, that's my one complaint. Loved this episode so much, I made a low effort meme of my favorite part: To quote myself from earlier: nine-gear crow posted:I love what an insane cut-the-brake-lines-and-jump-out-of-the-car-whooping wildcard Lanfear is. She loves her job but she hates all her co-workers so she's just playing one giant multiplayer game of Russian Roulette and doesn't care who the bullet winds up in.
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Sep 29, 2023 15:44
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nine-gear crow posted:To quote myself from earlier: also holy poo poo at Moiraine and Lan choosing to go in the ways with literally Lanfear. TRAPPED IN THE WAYS WITH A FORSAKEN SHE STABBED TWO DAYS AGO. This is all insane and I’m totally here for it.
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Sep 29, 2023 15:48
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there's a difference between compulsion and enforcing rod-oaths, right? i think after compulsion they don't remember the events, or self-justify them or something. the oath thing seems more traumatic i guess people (and the show) have pointed out the parallels with damane
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Sep 29, 2023 15:55
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They're different ways of accomplishing the same thing yeah. Compulsion doesn't require losing memory of it, but it always does involve it because it's way more effective in whatever you're trying to do usually. You're maybe thinking of the barely pieced together compulsion non-AoL people figured out, like Liandrin and Verin.
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Sep 29, 2023 15:59
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I was always under the assumption that the Oath Rod uses Compulsion, just in an extremely brute force way that everybody remembers because they willingly submitted to it. Non-Rod Compulsion is done in secret, and everybody except Graendal uses it very lightly and subtly.
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Chomposaur posted:Honest question for people that know more about filming than me: any ideas what was up with that "evening" shot with Perrin and the maidens outside of Falme? I assumed they wanted it to be later in the day to show the passage of time and dimmed it in post, but surely that wasn't worth loving up what should have been some premium scenery porn. I initially thought my TV was wigging out and had gone into dim mode or something. Yea, it's a post thing. There's a number of reasons to do it. Firstly, it's just a lot easier to film in the day and then filter it in post. You don't need lighting for the camera and for the crew (which you have to coordinate with the camera team), you don't have to worry about moon phases. Less concern about the time of day of filming. Also the other way to do it, which is film at night with a bunch of lights on your actors, looks weird in different ways. This is often the way shows go when filming night scenes on sound stages. The last option is to film at night with very little light, which again, has it's own set of problems.
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Entirely plausible yeah, or a related weave, or such.
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Chomposaur posted:Honest question for people that know more about filming than me: any ideas what was up with that "evening" shot with Perrin and the maidens outside of Falme? I assumed they wanted it to be later in the day to show the passage of time and dimmed it in post, but surely that wasn't worth loving up what should have been some premium scenery porn. I initially thought my TV was wigging out and had gone into dim mode or something. This would have been so easy to do. Show them walking during the day, have a few shots of them walking at “night”, and then when they finally crest the hill to see Falme it’s day again. Bam, time passing and we viewers can see the things we need to see. th3t00t posted:Lan being the one to figure out the tied off shield is , "She has a tell", levels of bad for me. But at least he got to be something besides a chump for once. And the rest of the season and episode are strong enough that the hiccups like this don't bother me as much as s1. It was a completely unearned resolution to a long-running plot device. We never saw Lan do anything to gain the knowledge. He just shows up with things tied in a neatly-wrapped bow. And then for salt in the wound he toys with the emotions of my main man Logain. You’re walking on thin ice, Lan. Thin, thiiiiin ice.
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I agree that it was the episode's weakest moment to have Lan somehow know about tying off weaves. You couldn't have had Verin bring it up or something? It would make much more sense for her to know. My guess is they wanted to show Lan doing something to advance the plot before they cared about that "something" making sense.
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William Bear posted:I agree that it was the episode's weakest moment to have Lan somehow know about tying off weaves. You couldn't have had Verin bring it up or something? It would make much more sense for her to know. Verin is writing about the world since the breaking, not before. Also Lan is the one who's most involved in fixing Moiraine. She's basically given that part up, she's so focused on getting Rand set up and researching the Forsaken and stuff. Remember in the books that Siuan and Leane super don't want Nyneave trying to heal them because having hope hurts. I would have liked to have seen Lan actually like...studying books though.
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This post from the no-spoilers thread has me biting my lip to keep from responding there:Quixotic1 posted:Gotta say, having not read the books- I was getting Anakin Skywalker vibes from Rand in season 1. Pleasantly glad Im wrong so far.
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eke out posted:i think Falme is literally shot in Morocco so yeah it's deserts that go right up to the sea It's all shot in Morocco and I suspect the aiel waste will be shot in Morocco as well since there's already so much studio infrastructure in place there for filming. So it's easy to see aiel and Perrin with aiel and think that they're in the waste somehow but Aviendha made it clear a few episodes ago they were strangers in a strange land lookin for the Car'a'carn.
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I think Lan is my current biggest complaint with the show. They really don't seem to know what they're doing with him.
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Colonel Cool posted:I think Lan is my current biggest complaint with the show. They really don't seem to know what they're doing with him. I think Lan's actually a hard character to adapt because he doesn't really get many notes besides 'stoic reliable badass'. His character development is all entirely localised around a few scattered scenes with Nynaeve until the last few books.
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Rarity posted:I think Lan's actually a hard character to adapt because he doesn't really get many notes besides 'stoic reliable badass'. His character development is all entirely localised around a few scattered scenes with Nynaeve until the last few books.
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th3t00t posted:I think the complaint is that TV show Lan is pretty far from a 'stoic reliable badass'. He's been made to look like a chump over and over. The "Worf" treatment as many others in the thread have pointed out. I don't know what Worfing is but yeah Show Lan is dead weight.
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Rarity posted:I think Lan's actually a hard character to adapt because he doesn't really get many notes besides 'stoic reliable badass'. His character development is all entirely localised around a few scattered scenes with Nynaeve until the last few books. Yeah I get that and I'm totally sympathetic to them having to add in some extra stuff for him. What I'm not sympathetic to is him never actually being shown to be a notable badass at all, and his biggest cool moment so far coming from him being a One Power history nerd for some reason. Like, drat. A scene or two of him training Rand instead of some random crazy guy, and him actually winning a difficult fight doesn't seem like a lot to ask for.
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I'm kind of worried that the sounding of the horn is going to fall flat for non-readers. By the time the Heroes of the Horn appear at the end of book 2 they've been referenced by our characters dozens of times and it's cool to meet them and see them interact with our main cast. But in the show the Heroes have barely been mentioned, if at all. I think to non-readers it's going to look like a rip off of Aragorn getting the ghost army to fight for him and not much more.
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William Bear posted:I agree that it was the episode's weakest moment to have Lan somehow know about tying off weaves. You couldn't have had Verin bring it up or something? It would make much more sense for her to know. Don't really like how they've handled Lan so far. He really ought to have had an arc where went from stoneface mcnofeels to something resembling a normal human thanks to Nynaeve like in the books. I thought the 1st season was overall dreadful, the 2nd season has shaped up A LOT though, but it suffers from needing twice the amount of episodes per season IMO, for all the various stories to be handled with the length and detail each needs and for various story wrapups to feel more earned. I agree in this episode in particular things felt like a lot of jumping around because of having to cram so much story into one episode. Needs more eps per season, can't get around it.
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Hughmoris posted:I don't know what Worfing is but yeah Show Lan is dead weight. Worf is always talked about as one of the greatest warriors in the galaxy, but he just gets chumped over and over whenever we actually get to see him fight.
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th3t00t posted:I'm kind of worried that the sounding of the horn is going to fall flat for non-readers. By the time the Heroes of the Horn appear at the end of book 2 they've been referenced by our characters dozens of times and it's cool to meet them and see them interact with our main cast. I bet we get heroes who people in our world will recognize to add weight and show the wheel etc
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Hughmoris posted:I don't know what Worfing is but yeah Show Lan is dead weight. Worfing is when you have someone who is stated to be the strongest and bestest warrior, but exists on screen only to get Chumped Constantly by the monster of the week (or a blue barrel). It doesn't really apply here though since Lan is constantly shown to be the biggest badass For Those Who Don't Have Magic. Edit: Also I love how there is no one dumber in the entire world than the hypothetical show only viewer in a book watcher's mind.
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