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Cold on a Cob posted:the only reason we "fixed" the ozone layer is there was a profit to be made You can very easily view the last 10-15 years of "green" economy bullshit as the weird and desperate flailing of a capitalist system desperate to find salvation within the context of its own profit motives only to now, finally, at the end, truly accept that we're all better off dead than red.
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Sep 29, 2023 15:23
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everywhere used to be forests. like go on google maps and look at the light green bits. 20 billion acres of the garden of eden. half of the british isles was temperate rainforest. we have no idea what "nature" is these days.
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Sep 29, 2023 15:27
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good, nature is gross
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Sep 29, 2023 15:29
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Mother earth has been trying to kill us for hundreds of thousands of years. Treat her like she treats us imo
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Sep 29, 2023 15:38
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there are, apparently, a very small number of american chestnuts which were resistant to the blight. Scientists have been trying to use these few seed bearing trees to grow back more. They'll give you free viable seeds and instructions on how to grow them, you just need to keep a record of how well those seeds did and let them know like 1-2 times a year. Problem is those fuckers can be expected to hit ~100' tall and 5' across if they live. They also produce hugenormous amount of chestnuts which you can eat, you know by roasting over an open fire for example. But they're not exactly shrubs. Guess this hasn't gone super great and a bunch of groups are doing poo poo like injecting blight-resist genes and crossing them with asian species and crap like that. I wanted to get a few planted but, well, without some deece land you're kinda hosed. Also literally everyone around here has been cutting their huge mature trees down for no obvious reason.
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Sep 29, 2023 15:44
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World Famous W posted:good, nature is gross
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Sep 29, 2023 15:44
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Mola Yam posted:everywhere used to be forests. like go on google maps and look at the light green bits. 20 billion acres of the garden of eden. half of the british isles was temperate rainforest. we have no idea what "nature" is these days. Reminds me of Lindybeige's video on 'Forests in the olden days' that talks about tamed and untamed woodlands https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPUFMwm73Y
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Sep 29, 2023 16:09
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5-8 inches of rain today nbd
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Sep 29, 2023 17:33
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Is that average? This is very troubling
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Sep 29, 2023 17:37
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climate seems kinda hosed, NGL
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Sep 29, 2023 17:39
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SniperWoreConverse posted:There is apparently some confusion as to wither it was introduced before or after 1500ad but it's for sure nonnative. I watched these forests get cut down in the documentary Vinland Saga
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Sep 29, 2023 17:44
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Humans are an invasive species
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Sep 29, 2023 18:02
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All those memes about thinking about the Roman Empire and here I am thinking of how it would be to live in North America 20,000 years ago
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Sep 29, 2023 18:05
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SniperWoreConverse posted:there are, apparently, a very small number of american chestnuts which were resistant to the blight. Have you dealt with any of this personally? I have a bunch of old growth in its native hillbilly range and have always been interested in this.
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Sep 29, 2023 18:13
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Real hurthling! posted:5-8 inches of rain today nbd Please tell me this happened somewhere near the Mississippi River
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Sep 29, 2023 18:18
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Fried Watermelon posted:All those memes about thinking about the Roman Empire and here I am thinking of how it would be to live in North America 20,000 years ago it would probably suck real bad ngl
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Sep 29, 2023 18:19
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the last untouched woodlands were turned into giant gardens by humans starting like 20 000 years ago. the idea that humans have lived in some kind of state of nature anywhere is racist terra nullis bullshit designed to take Indigenous peoples out of their historical and political context so they can be destroyed. so like, it’s false and only serves our oppressors
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Sep 29, 2023 18:36
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Eason the Fifth posted:it would probably suck real bad ngl no cars, no capitalism, better healthcare, trees exist, water is drinkable sounds good to me
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Sep 29, 2023 18:37
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changes_in_the_Land We read this back in college, does the scholarship in it still hold up? Are there any good works in the same vein published since?
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Sep 29, 2023 18:42
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How much energy would it take to revert the CO2 levels to 280 ppm if we handwave our emissions and all the feedback loops?
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Sep 29, 2023 18:50
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Struensee posted:How much energy would it take to revert the CO2 levels to 280 ppm if we handwave our emissions and all the feedback loops? 1 or 2 maybe
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Sep 29, 2023 18:56
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:no cars, no capitalism, better healthcare, trees exist, water is drinkable luv 2 be old at 25, knocking my girl up at 12 so that she has time to punch out 10 kids before she dies in childbirth with no anesthesia at 22 (and all the kids die anyway) death to nature
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Sep 29, 2023 18:58
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:no cars, no capitalism, better healthcare, trees exist, water is drinkable Lorax rear end post
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Sep 29, 2023 19:02
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Struensee posted:How much energy would it take to revert the CO2 levels to 280 ppm if we handwave our emissions and all the feedback loops? well if we assume the blade is 5kg of steel, and we raise it two meters each time, and we're merciful and only do the 10,000 richest, its just a hair shy of one megajoule
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Sep 29, 2023 19:08
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MightyBigMinus posted:well if we assume the blade is 5kg of steel, and we raise it two meters each time, and we're merciful and only do the 10,000 richest, its just a hair shy of one megajoule gotta lift the mouton too so that's another 30 kg per go
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Sep 29, 2023 19:13
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y'know doing the napkin math its funny... if you could simply thanos-snap 50% of all cows, and theoretically therefore grazing on ~12% of the arable land on earth, the resulting afforestation would almost certainly draw down on the order of hundreds of gigatons. not enough to get back to 280, but 350? maybe
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Sep 29, 2023 19:19
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It's cool that you can walk through the forests here and look for the big stumps with springboard notches and know that that's what the forest looked like before a bunch white people mowed everything down and the "natural" forest is just whatever has grown back since
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Sep 29, 2023 19:21
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MightyBigMinus posted:y'know doing the napkin math its funny... if you could simply thanos-snap 50% of all cows and theoretically therefore grazing on ~12% of the arable land on earth, the resulting afforestation would almost certainly draw down on the order of hundreds of gigatons. not enough to get back to 280, but 350? maybe
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Sep 29, 2023 19:21
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Struensee posted:How much energy would it take to revert the CO2 levels to 280 ppm if we handwave our emissions and all the feedback loops? no idea but i was curious so i did the usual techie scum thing and just plowed in to figure it out based on poo poo i found online: we're currently at ~418 ppm so you're asking for a drop of 138ppm 1ppm of CO2 has a mass of 7.821 billion metric tons so that comes to 1079.298 billion metric tons you want to remove (this is where the math gets fucky because it's not actually fixed due to changing mass of atmosphere) it takes 1.2 mwh to remove one metric ton of carbon using direct air capture so that's 1,295,157.6 TWh if i didn't gently caress up a decimal somewhere in 2020 we generated 23,177 TWh worldwide i probably hosed something up somewhere so maybe we're only super mega hosed instead of the ultra super mega hosed that my back of the envelope calculation implies, also for all i know my sources are astroturfed oil company bullshit vOv sources: https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/direct-air-capture-energy-use, https://www.rechargenews.com/energy...ity/2-1-1067588 MightyBigMinus posted:well if we assume the blade is 5kg of steel, and we raise it two meters each time, and we're merciful and only do the 10,000 richest, its just a hair shy of one megajoule seems cheaper than direct air capture tbh
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Sep 29, 2023 19:26
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Eason the Fifth posted:luv 2 be old at 25, knocking my girl up at 12 so that she has time to punch out 10 kids before she dies in childbirth with no anesthesia at 22 (and all the kids die anyway)
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Sep 29, 2023 19:31
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I find it impossible to believe that human existence in the Epipalaeolithic was anything besides nasty, brutish, and short, no matter where in the world we were at
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Sep 29, 2023 19:44
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Fried Watermelon posted:All those memes about thinking about the Roman Empire and here I am thinking of how it would be to live in North America 20,000 years ago No video games, no thank you
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Sep 29, 2023 19:52
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Just a Moron posted:No video games, no thank you You get to chill with Sasquatch though
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Sep 29, 2023 19:58
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Bixington posted:Have you dealt with any of this personally? I have a bunch of old growth in its native hillbilly range and have always been interested in this.
Also in general blighted trees will grow to a certain point and then die, but may produce more saplings that then also grow larger and then spontaneously die, where none ever get to the seed producing stage. Blight is harbored in some other kind of tree that isn't negatively affected by it, so blight is not going to go away unless there's some drastic action the feds can do to eradicate it. The amount of naturally resistant trees was insanely low but appreciable and could maybe be enough to keep the species alive. Once I realized I wasn't going to be able to contribute to it i just stopped looking stuff up. http://www.accf-online.org/ is what i was planning on going with, these guys are iirc all about using only american chestnut without any weird inclusions and they have an old school website. This is the one that i was planning on going with, purely on their lovely unpolished website and the fact that backcrossing and genetic engineering seem like the same thing to me, so what would even be the point? just plant some nonnative, might as well be the same thing. imo if it's not the "actual" original US chestnut you may as well import whatever and let the US tree go extinct. there's also https://tacf.org/ which uses backcrosses and has the fancy lad website. I never actually ran into the sites for the ones who are actively gene engineering trees and don't know what their deal is Also the way you get seeds and how many they will give you may have been changed. Details in general are probably off, it's been a while since I looked at anything tbh. I have no idea if any or all of these are actually coherent plans or good ideas or if they're weird lunatics or what. e: ps if you find yourself with seeds or some poo poo pm me so i can illegally irresponsibly plant any extras around where i am SniperWoreConverse has issued a correction as of 20:17 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Sep 29, 2023 20:12
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SniperWoreConverse posted:there are, apparently, a very small number of american chestnuts which were resistant to the blight. Scientists have been trying to use these few seed bearing trees to grow back more. They'll give you free viable seeds and instructions on how to grow them, you just need to keep a record of how well those seeds did and let them know like 1-2 times a year. Problem is those fuckers can be expected to hit ~100' tall and 5' across if they live. They also produce hugenormous amount of chestnuts which you can eat, you know by roasting over an open fire for example. But they're not exactly shrubs. Around here it's for money. The furthest suburbs that developed in small forests are full of Karens and Kyles getting their last little stands of maybe 4-5 trees clearcut for a few hundred bucks from door to door tree cutting services. There are these mini log trucks with cranes that drive around picking up the tree corpses to get a little baby log load. I assume it's profitable for the middleman selling the lumber to mills if they have roving patrols of loggers working full time to support a fleet of baby log trucks and a legion of salesman hunting down the last few trees in captivity.
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Sep 29, 2023 20:20
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Eason the Fifth posted:I find it impossible to believe that human existence in the Epipalaeolithic was anything besides nasty, brutish, and short, no matter where in the world we were at why? that's not how it is for modern uncontacted tribes
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Sep 29, 2023 20:23
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SniperWoreConverse posted:just plant some nonnative, might as well be the same thing. imo if it's not the "actual" original US chestnut you may as well import whatever and let the US tree go extinct. There is a book i read and really enjoyed called Rambunctious Garden: Saving Nature in a Post-Wild World that basically takes this idea and goes full steam on it. The thesis is essentially that theres no such thing as the wild anyway, everything has been shaped by the hands of mankind, so the focus on invasive species is short sighted. Additionaly, invasive species may be able to fill critical ecological roles that native species no longer fill, and filling the niche will ultimately preserve more than trying to keep a native species alive against all odds. Invasives may also be more resistant to damage caused by climate change, in some cases. One example is the white rhino, where the amount of work to save the northern white rhino is gigantic, when instead we could just be moving southern white rhinos to the northern white rhinos traditional ranges. The things that rhinos do to the ecosystem are potentially more important for the overall health of that ecosystem, rather than the genetic variation that exists between northern and southern white rhinos. Not sure which situations it applies to, it ultimately may have to be sorted out on a case by case basis, but I found it a really novel perspective.
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Sep 29, 2023 20:43
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chairface posted:why? that's not how it is for modern uncontacted tribes what is it like for them?
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Sep 29, 2023 20:51
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Struensee posted:How much energy would it take to revert the CO2 levels to 280 ppm if we handwave our emissions and all the feedback loops? Cover the world in Kudzu
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Eason the Fifth posted:what is it like for them? A lot of them in the Amazon know about the outside world but smartly choose to remain isolated. Judging by previously uncontacted ones who still maintain most of their old traditions and way of life, seems pretty chill Soggy Muffin has issued a correction as of 21:11 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Sep 29, 2023 21:09
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