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Kurieg posted:I can't remember what game it was (I think it was a stardew vallley-like) but there was one indie developer who got their epic games payday and just went full joker mode on everyone who complained. Like "nah i got my payday honestly I don't have to care if the game does well at this point also gently caress all of you." which soured me a bit on EGS as a platform.
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No Wave posted:Because the ooblets discord was getting brigaded 24/7 by steam freaks. I don't think you remember just how outrageously people were treating the people developing epic exclusives it was straight up shameful. I think we can all agree that the customers in games are the worst part of the industry.
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ImpAtom posted:I just remember Shenmue 3 and how they grabbed the Exclusivity deal for it after it had been kickstarted and Steam keys promised. For good or ill when I think of EGS exclusivity that is what I think of.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Goddamnit, the interface really *is* that bad. 3 clicks from where exactly? It's like Account -> Purchase History -> Choose the purchase IIRC
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ImpAtom posted:It's like Account -> Purchase History -> Choose the purchase IIRC poo poo you can do it from the game. Support > It's not what I expected > request a refund.
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ImpAtom posted:I just remember Shenmue 3 and how they grabbed the Exclusivity deal for it after it had been kickstarted and Steam keys promised. For good or ill when I think of EGS exclusivity that is what I think of. Wild that of all the crowdfund games to pick to start that fight they went with one who's developer believes video games were perfected in 1999 and no improvements are needed at all. I think that legally, all KS/crowdfund terms aren't actually enforceable and even contributing money isn't a promise for products/services delivered. Nakedly revoking terms though in exchange for taking a giant bag of cash probably did raise enough flags that they had to walk it back.
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Sep 29, 2023 18:44
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it remains absurd that largely consequential stuff like "getting paid" has to go through twitter https://x.com/EpicPublishing/status/1707805501277253790?s=20
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ImpAtom posted:I just remember Shenmue 3 and how they grabbed the Exclusivity deal for it after it had been kickstarted and Steam keys promised. For good or ill when I think of EGS exclusivity that is what I think of. There are plenty of things to hate Epic/EGS for, but this is on the developer for making that deal.
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Nybble posted:it remains absurd that largely consequential stuff like "getting paid" has to go through twitter What's it say ? I"m just getting an error when I try to look at it.
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Shooting Blanks posted:There are plenty of things to hate Epic/EGS for, but this is on the developer for making that deal.
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Cyrano4747 posted:What's it say ? I"m just getting an error when I try to look at it. 
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Shooting Blanks posted:There are plenty of things to hate Epic/EGS for, but this is on the developer for making that deal.
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pumpinglemma posted:You don’t think a company with a shred of ethics might have had some qualms about offering that deal in the first place?
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No Wave posted:No? Who gives a poo poo? Kickstarters generally don't come close to actually funding games money has to come from other places. Too bad S3 didn't turn out good. “It’s on the developer for accepting the deal, not Epic for offering it” seems like a weird line to draw, I think it’s perfectly fair to dislike both parties for doing it.
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pumpinglemma posted:You don’t think a company with a shred of ethics might have had some qualms about offering that deal in the first place? Was Epic even aware of the Kickstarter offering? They didn't handle it perfectly, but they did wind up refunding backers who only wanted it on Steam - and it's entirely plausible that they didn't look into the nuances of Shenmue's kickstarter, and the developer simply said "We offered free keys to everyone who backed us, can you do that?"
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Shooting Blanks posted:Was Epic even aware of the Kickstarter offering? They didn't handle it perfectly, but they did wind up refunding backers who only wanted it on Steam - and it's entirely plausible that they didn't look into the nuances of Shenmue's kickstarter, and the developer simply said "We offered free keys to everyone who backed us, can you do that?"
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stev posted:I never had any issues with Steam in its early days, but when it launched there wasn't much to compare it to. Online storefronts in general weren't very good back then. One problem EA was having around then too was e.g. Steam partly existed to get off of WON, whereas EA still had some weird account linkage thing going on with GameSpy that was held together with duct tape. Even after they released Origin, I had a really hilarious 2-week-long series of interactions with their customer support (starting with an incident where I bought BF3 Premium thinking it was the full game) that really seemed like their store and online account systems were operating as two separate things.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Was Epic even aware of the Kickstarter offering? They didn't handle it perfectly, but they did wind up refunding backers who only wanted it on Steam - and it's entirely plausible that they didn't look into the nuances of Shenmue's kickstarter, and the developer simply said "We offered free keys to everyone who backed us, can you do that?" Shenmue 3 was one of the biggest and most successful Kickstarters ever. If they were not aware of it before offering Shenmue 3 a deal then someone was insanely lax in their analysis.
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When I first got Steam (presumably to play Half-Life 2) I registered my username as my email address. It worked long enough to play HL2, then at some point when I tried to use it again months/years later I couldn't log in because it would give me an error saying user names are not email addresses. When I would do a "forgot my username" recovery, it would tell me my username was, indeed, an email address. It's funny to look back on it now that Steam is the gold standard, I was pissed at what a piece of poo poo it was for quite a while in the early years.
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OneEightHundred posted:The only one I remember was EA Download Manager which had some very low limit on the number of times you could download a game, like 2 or 3. Haha oh man, I never think about how lovely pc gaming was before steam. Like for all it's issues it really made pc gaming so much better and more approachable by the average person. I don't think that void wouldn't have been filled by someone else eventually but I'm so glad I don't have to download my games from every publisher/devs lovely rear end website/ftp/free file host/public file host. And then when I want to play games with someone I just click the invite to game button in steam instead of spending hours and hours getting gamespy to work
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OneEightHundred posted:The only one I remember was EA Download Manager which had some very low limit on the number of times you could download a game, like 2 or 3. This does remind me: another thing Steam has going for it which has definitely earned some trust is I think it is literally the only one of these storefronts with a) a history and b) no absolutely bonkers rebrandings or reboots along the way. Ubisoft and EA both keep hacking away at their branding and backends in ways where even with their internally-owned titles things still go missing in transitions, GFWL/GFW has no carryover into the modern Microsoft/Xbox environment and the gaps there leave the PC in a weird position where we're keeping everything day and date! Except the stuff we aren't (hi Rare Replay)! GOG is fine other than the part where they kept pulling stupid stunts and media blunders over and over which make one nervous! Etc. Valve as a company isn't perfect but it turns out that apathy does keep you from tripping over your shoelaces if you only take baby steps here and there.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:They did and then rich people convinced everyone that unions are evil. Unions also made what is in retrospect a massive strategic blunder in accepting the two-tier system when the economy started to crash in the early 80s. Turns out people get really resentful when they pay for protections and benefits that only apply to their coworkers who are more senior/better off already (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-tier_system if you're not familiar). It was extremely common and is only now being unwound through negotiations, but it poisoned the well pretty badly for a lot of late GenX/early millennials.
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Another aspect that is hard to remember is that nobody took digital sales seriously at the time, at most it was considered a side hustle in addition to physical box sales. I think some companies didn't even track them.
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DRM was also in a particularly miserable place when Steam launched, way worse than it is today. Basically everything I've ever bought on Steam I can still install and play, whereas any major game I got on disc from like 2002-2008 is uninstallable on any version of Windows released after the game. Beyond Good & Evil was a highlight. When I tried to install it on Windows 7, it went through the entire multi-disc installation progress, then did the Windows version check and immediately closed with no message and deleted all the game files.
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mycot posted:Another aspect that is hard to remember is that nobody took digital sales seriously at the time, at most it was considered a side hustle in addition to physical box sales. I think some companies didn't even track them. "Some companies didn't track sales" lol.  That's not how that works, and never has been.
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At this point, whenever I think of the EGS, all I can think of is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPIZqs6WgJs
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Regarding the 'Sony hack' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-QWs3o8uk You're safe but probably a good reminder to turn on 2fa or something.
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Ineffiable posted:Regarding the 'Sony hack' i think they and/or steam have been the only time(s) i got a new credit card after a breach just to be sure
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ImpAtom posted:Shenmue 3 was one of the biggest and most successful Kickstarters ever. If they were not aware of it before offering Shenmue 3 a deal then someone was insanely lax in their analysis. Shenmue 3 is proof that I have no capacity to predict the success of a Kickstarter Campaign.
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leper khan posted:"Some companies didn't track sales" lol. Maybe they meant some of the sales tracking whatever of top sellers and what not didn't count digital? Which I have a vague recollection of possibly being a thing that happened
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Cyrano4747 posted:Maybe I'm out of the loop and there are some real banger mods that are only being released on Steam, but this seems more like a theoretical problem than a real one. I've never, ever run across a mod that was published only on Steam. Quite the contrary, the problem with Steam modding is that so few modders bother to put a version up there or, if they do, it never gets updated. If you're going to one-stop shop it's Nexus, with the usual nod to the Nexus drama and modders leaving it and alternative ways of getting things etc. But I don't think anyone's said gently caress nexus I'm only releasing on Steam. I had to spend several days getting a few quality of life mods working for Amazing Cultivation Sim when it came out on game pass because they were only on steam workshop. The workaround website to download mods from steam workshop was down part of the time, and then it turned out that mods in that game check the version before they'll let you enable them, and the game pass version was slightly different from steam. So I had to find the author and ask what I needed to edit to make it work. Like you say, it's more that they're using the workshop to try to solidify their monopoly that's the lovely part about it, but it's not entirely theoretical.
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Lum_ posted:My main complaint with Steam is their complete lack of customer service other than basic computer-assisted. Does it work through steam's "family sharing"? I also know there are some pseudo-piracy tools that inject code into the steamworks drm to do things like disable the simultaneous-login check and enable usecases like yours. But I am not familiar with the specific details of them or whether they'd work here. The REAL Goobusters posted:Everyone is missing the forest for the trees here. Epic just needs to make an actual good storefront / community client like the one Steam has. its plain and simple, EGS is jank This wouldn't be the solution you think it is. Even if a competitor released today with perfect 100% feature parity with steam, most steam users would not willingly switch to it, and would still prefer to buy games on Steam. All their other games are already over there! Knowing that friendslist chat works correctly or whatever is not gonna change their mind here. Who cares about friendlist chat when buying games??
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leper khan posted:"Some companies didn't track sales" lol. Technically sales tracking is handled by third parties, so the reality is almost no company tracks sales.
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Ineffiable posted:Regarding the 'Sony hack' what's the tl;dw on the hack and this?
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disposablewords posted:Steam and GOG are also the only launchers who ever remember my login credentials no matter how often I tell the drat thing to remember a computer. It doesn't really matter how often I do or don't load it up, but Ubisoft, EA, and Epic launchers are way more likely than not to just forget my login stuff and regularly demand an extra passcode like this was the first time I used it on this computer. Given I don't like leaving 5+ clients running at all times, unless I'm mainlining one of their games then the other launchers often get closed down until I want to play something again. And going through that whole song and dance every time often ends up warding me off from even wanting to play something. I have hundreds of games on GOG, but have never installed their launcher even once. Is there a point to it? I just keep all of my installer executables on a big drive.
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THE BAR posted:I have hundreds of games on GOG, but have never installed their launcher even once. Is there a point to it? I just keep all of my installer executables on a big drive. I mean, a point besides not archiving all your installers yourself and just having that available where you can grab the client and install them on whatever machine you want? Aside from that no, I guess not.
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in non storefront news, the already troubled KOTOR remake may have been cancelled https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1707795933801468195 the developer is under embracer group
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Cyrano4747 posted:what's the tl;dw on the hack and this? -The group's only been around for a month, but are reporting multiple successful hacks with payouts. -Claims to have hacked "All of Sony" but there are many divisions of Sony across multiple countries and data centers. It's very unlikely they hacked all of Sony. -Someone with username Major Nelson (throw away account? Never posted again) made a post stating that the group was just chasing trends and looking for clout, and didn't do any hacking of their own. -Claims they're actually just extortionists who bought their "hacked" data from elsewhere on the darkweb and were using it to try and extort money. -He then posts a link to the data they claimed to have stolen, indicating that he got it from the same source. The data was only a few gigs and consisted of a few passwords that seemed to indicate a test environment, and a handful of emails scattered around the files. Indications look like the hacked data was just a development build server.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I mean, a point besides not archiving all your installers yourself and just having that available where you can grab the client and install them on whatever machine you want? Well there is also automatic game updates. Don't need many of those for 30+ year old games but gog also sells recently released stuff nowadays.
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repiv posted:in non storefront news, the already troubled KOTOR remake may have been cancelled Wasn't this already well known? I thought the same team were the ones who did the KotOR2 port where they promised a restored content DLC and then cancelled it.
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