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FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Well the speaker of the house got shitcanned so I don�t know that it was completely ignored.

# ? Sep 27, 2023 15:48

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# ? May 24, 2024 22:44

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

the video of him reading that paper, getting to "fought against russians in ww2", pausing and raising eyebrows, and then continuing in a slightly confused voice was really funny

guy knew he'd done hosed up when he read that part i think

# ? Sep 27, 2023 15:56

Fornax Disaster: Apr 11, 2005; If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

This whole thing reminds me of that Kids in the Hall sketch with the politician judging the jam making contest.

# ? Sep 27, 2023 16:02

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Cactus Ghost posted:

bite soixante-neuf

My Quebec vulgar slang isn't great, I jumped to PLOT69

# ? Sep 27, 2023 17:37

Phanatic: Mar 13, 2007; Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Phanatic posted:

Apparently the pilot in this case is my girlfriend�s friend�s flight instructor, and the plane is the one that he�s been getting instruction in, and he�s a bit freaked out about the whole thing:

https://wsvn.com/news/local/broward/2nd-victim-dies-in-cessna-crash-at-north-perry-airport-amid-faa-ntsb-probe/

So that was last month.

Yesterday:

https://nypost.com/2023/09/26/video-captures-moment-small-plane-crashes-on-la-field/

Sling with a flight attendant on an intro flight crashes. My GF, also a flight attendant, took an intro flight on that exact airframe earlier this year.

# ? Sep 27, 2023 17:48

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

Phanatic posted:

So that was last month.

Yesterday:

https://nypost.com/2023/09/26/video-captures-moment-small-plane-crashes-on-la-field/

Sling with a flight attendant on an intro flight crashes. My GF, also a flight attendant, took an intro flight on that exact airframe earlier this year.

That article describes the plane as a "small jet" and that isn't the first time I've seen an ASEL described as such by the news. Why are reporters such morons these days

# ? Sep 27, 2023 20:50

Safety Dance: Sep 10, 2007; Five degrees to starboard!

Sagebrush posted:

Why are reporters such morons these days

It's the NY Post; they're mostly busy coming up with right wing talking points that fox news missed.

# ? Sep 27, 2023 22:13

Ardeem: Sep 16, 2010; There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

It's also a reporter quoting a fireman, so I'd blame that dude for the word jet and the reporter for not putting [sic] after it.

# ? Sep 27, 2023 22:31

Cactus Ghost: Dec 20, 2003; you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Safety Dance posted:

It's the NY Post; they're mostly busy coming up with right wing talking points that fox news missed.

that and i guarantee this person wasn't given more than 30 minutes to bang this out, if they even are a person and not a cleverly-named ai

# ? Sep 28, 2023 00:09

ImplicitAssembler: Jan 24, 2013

(nevermind)

# ? Sep 28, 2023 03:19

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

I've been watching F16s and Chinooks screwing around all week and it's glorious.

# ? Sep 28, 2023 17:03

Xenoborg: Mar 10, 2007

I think I already know the answer to this, but I'm going to Dayton next week for a work thing and was going to go to the Air Force Museum. If the government shuts down, they close too right?

# ? Sep 28, 2023 17:08

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg: Oct 4, 2004; ha, ha, ha, og me ekam

Humphreys posted:

I've been watching F16s and Chinooks screwing around all week and it's glorious.

This is how V22s are made.

# ? Sep 28, 2023 17:24

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Xenoborg posted:

I think I already know the answer to this, but I'm going to Dayton next week for a work thing and was going to go to the Air Force Museum. If the government shuts down, they close too right?

Likely, here�s their announcement from the last time it happened https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/U...ernment-shutdo/

# ? Sep 28, 2023 17:38

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

Nice video on the lead C-47 from D-Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmDNZ8_40U8

# ? Sep 29, 2023 06:13

Wingnut Ninja: Jan 11, 2003; Mostly Harmless

Ever wonder what happens if you take an old passenger 707 and convert it into an aerial refueling tanker?

This is a KC-707, owned and operated by Omega Air Refueling, a civilian contract company that provides AR for military training and exercises. With military tankers normally being used for operational missions, these are the guys you call up for your Red Flag, COMPTUEX, Air Wing Fallon, SFARP and so forth. We've had it parked out at the line where I work for the last few days, and today they opened it up for a show and tell.

If you know just enough about tanker aircraft to be dangerous, you might think "ah, so it's a civilian-run KC-135". :wrong:

I also assumed this for a long while, but it turns out that aside from sharing the basic airframe, the KC-707 is a completely unique critter. This plane began life as a VIP transport 707 for Saudi Arabia, before being converted to a tanker. In fact, some of the placards inside for lavatories and such are still bilingual English/Arabic.

Where a KC-135 has a refueling boom, the 707 has two hose and drogue assemblies in the fuselage. They're mounted too close together to use simultaneously, so having two is simply for redundancy; you don't want to get on station and plug up with a thirsty Rhino only to realize that your hose isn't working.

The interior is definitely a working man's airplane. The forward section has the 1950's vintage cockpit, a small galley, a navigator/ops desk, and four rows of passenger seating. Basic airliner seats, but plenty of leg room.

The rear 2/3 of the interior is open storage mostly filled with boxes of maintenance gear. This plane is in very high demand and pretty much lives on the road, so their maintainers and all associated equipment fly along with them. Unlike a 135, there are no additional fuel tanks, just what's standard on the original 707, so there's plenty of interior space. And of course, no boom, so no need for a boom operator station or anything like that in the back.

Pretty cool opportunity to visit, and there are like two of these planes total, so I figured it might be neat to share.

# ? Sep 29, 2023 23:21

Warbird: May 23, 2012; America's Favorite Dumbass

That�s pretty cool, thanks for sharing

# ? Sep 29, 2023 23:54

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVZ8BTWBlIE&t=278s

:dogstare:

Should be time-stamped at 4m 38sec for a cropped view. Rest of the vid is just an open-sourced analysis of the incident by the channel owner.

# ? Sep 30, 2023 03:29

CarForumPoster: Jun 26, 2013; â¡POWERâ¡

Cable Guy posted:

Should be time-stamped at 4m 38sec for a cropped view. Rest of the vid is just an open-sourced analysis of the incident by the channel owner.

*taps altimeter gauge* This thing's calibrated, yea?

# ? Sep 30, 2023 03:34

ImplicitAssembler: Jan 24, 2013

CarForumPoster posted:

*taps altimeter gauge* This thing's calibrated, yea?

Like they use the altimeter for a drop like that. (Also Blancoliro is awful).

# ? Sep 30, 2023 03:39

babyeatingpsychopath: Oct 28, 2000; Forum Veteran

CarForumPoster posted:

*taps altimeter gauge* This thing's calibrated, yea?

*taps radalt* huh. it keeps saying TEN TEN TEN TEN TEN TEN. that can't be right.

# ? Sep 30, 2023 08:04

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Ever wonder what happens if you take an old passenger 707 and convert it into an aerial refueling tanker?

This is a KC-707, owned and operated by Omega Air Refueling, a civilian contract company that provides AR for military training and exercises. With military tankers normally being used for operational missions, these are the guys you call up for your Red Flag, COMPTUEX, Air Wing Fallon, SFARP and so forth. We've had it parked out at the line where I work for the last few days, and today they opened it up for a show and tell.

If you know just enough about tanker aircraft to be dangerous, you might think "ah, so it's a civilian-run KC-135". I also assumed this for a long while, but it turns out that aside from sharing the basic airframe, the KC-707 is a completely unique critter. This plane began life as a VIP transport 707 for Saudi Arabia, before being converted to a tanker. In fact, some of the placards inside for lavatories and such are still bilingual English/Arabic.

Where a KC-135 has a refueling boom, the 707 has two hose and drogue assemblies in the fuselage. They're mounted too close together to use simultaneously, so having two is simply for redundancy; you don't want to get on station and plug up with a thirsty Rhino only to realize that your hose isn't working.

The interior is definitely a working man's airplane. The forward section has the 1950's vintage cockpit, a small galley, a navigator/ops desk, and four rows of passenger seating. Basic airliner seats, but plenty of leg room.

The rear 2/3 of the interior is open storage mostly filled with boxes of maintenance gear. This plane is in very high demand and pretty much lives on the road, so their maintainers and all associated equipment fly along with them. Unlike a 135, there are no additional fuel tanks, just what's standard on the original 707, so there's plenty of interior space. And of course, no boom, so no need for a boom operator station or anything like that in the back.

Pretty cool opportunity to visit, and there are like two of these planes total, so I figured it might be neat to share.

Thats so cool. Such a niche business that I'm surprised some civvies tooled up for.

This is an interesting video on IDing aircraft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYuBf2HpXJg

# ? Oct 1, 2023 05:39

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

I will cross-post here once, too. There's a different group here reading about airplanes than the gaming forum, so this is my one advertisement to grab a couple plane nerds here.
Air Goons are mixing DCS combat sim, Arma 3, forums based maps, and MSFS2020 civilian sim to create a mashup, sort of mixed reality or metaverse-style comprehensive wargaming about a hypothetical World War 3 in South America. People will fly supplies in MSFS2020, some will only write about planes and theorycraft without ever taking part in any of the games, and now that the prologue mission is done where C-130s dropped SBS dudes to a submarine in the Atlantic, this sub will take a underwater demo team to Falklands in an Arma 3 map for a mission.

Bear with me, I'll try to hit up the high points and maybe catch one or two people from here.

Let's Play thread and the main action fub: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042524

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_mCf0mL9IE

If you wish to read a presentable, desktop-friendly website of the same: https://www.airgoons.com/hype/TheLongAfternoonWar.html

Old threads:
What happened in 2008?https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989829
What happened in1990? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3993395
[/quote]

A MSFS2020 mission by Aero.

Aero737 posted:

Australia, Keen to slow the PLA advance in the Southern Hemisphere, has been strategically partnering with South American, Pacific, and African countries in providing defense aid and humanitarian aid. The No. 36 Squadrion of the RAAF, flying C-17 Globemasters, has been tasked with this.

Mission Tasking: Deliver essential supplies and radio navigational beacons to aid Chilean and Argentinean forces.

Routing RAAF Amberly (YAMB) to El Calafate (SAWC) via South Pacific

Load Sheet:

Loading cargo

Foggy morning outside Brisbane. 4:05 am local.

Breaking through the fog and low cloud layer

Early summer sunrise.

En route over New Zealand. Our flight path roughly follows the 40th parallel across the South Pacific.

Approaching the west coast of Chile. Fog fills the fjords due to the marine layer.

Initiating combat descent after crossing the Andes. The mountain range provides a natural shield from PLAAF radar and their SAM network. We will descend into a mountain valley and follow the terrain to our destination.

CAUTION TERRAIN CAUTION TERRAIN

In the valley. Countermeasures armed, lights off.

On final approach into El Calafate. The city is in the background.

Full reverse.

The setting up of the Arma 3 mission.

Elendil004 posted:

Some signals traffic and regional intelligence from our friends at MI6.

The Falklands, or Malvinas, have long been used as a shipping port, a safe harbor, and a waystation for exploration and international shipping. They're about 300 miles east of the Patagonian coast, and have been inhabited by Europeans ever since the 1600s. They might have had settlements before that, likely Fuegians from Patagonia if anyone, but were not inhabited when European claims on them were asserted. The UK had visited it prior but laid its first claim in 1764. It reasserted it more forcefully in 1833, and ever since the Falklands has been inhabited by mostly European-descent Falkland Islanders, populations ranging from 500 to 5000 with ebbs and flows.

In addition, is has, or had, RAF Mount Pleasant, an airbase of the South Atlantic for the Royal Air Force.

Now, the PLAAF controls it, and PLAN uses Port Stanley as a base.

Goose Green is a small town that sits on an isthmus, connecting the main island of East Falklands to the uninhabited part known as Lafonia. This narrow isthmus is not only the only road and thoroughfare between these two major portions, but it also divides a small sound that is the ocean cut between them.

For as long as there has been shipping, the Choiseul Sound has been used as a safe anchoring point for cargo ships and military vessels waiting for more favorable winds, warmer weather, or for the storm to pass. For the past 400 years, this has not changed. This same sound is now a shelter for the PLAN mobility sealift fleet, waiting for their turn in the clogged up Port Stanley, unable to accept as many ships as are arriving from Africa. Thus, they sail to Choiseul Sound to wait for their turn.

MI6 is also passing along this whatsapp message from a Chinese sailor sent from a cellular network in the Falklands.

We've extracted the images in full resolution.

One example AAR from a DCS mission with 20 people:

Snapshot posted:

Ascot 1 - Op. Guinea Pig after action report:

A/C status
Ascot1-1, systems fault, aborted, A/C down while maintenance diagnoses fault. Time to resolution should be ok for next mission.
Ascot1-2, 1-3, no concerns.

Ascot was to proceed to a specified drop point in the ocean, and deliver SBS with cargo to the waiting submarine before turning back to pick up parts. Pre drop, Ascot 1-1 had a malfunction requiring immediate mission abort and RTB. Due to effective planning, the SBS mission can proceed with 1/2 cargo modules delivered. Mission control passed to Breaky in Ascot 1-2, and proceeded without issue. Since all Hercules were carrying only minimum fuel reserves, excess capacity was available to haul the payload slated for Ascot 1-1. There were no concerns with cruise or landing in IMC.

Communication with ground stations was congested, but effective even with multiple airports on the same frequency. Also, Ascot 1 flight worked out some kinks with the autopilot modes, transitions, and cut out conditions. This assisted navigation, with all planes within visual range when IFR conditions lifted, with 0.7 nm spacing. The drop precision was ok, with AP issues leading to reversion to manual flight, and visual drop. As mentioned, IMC approach procedures were good, with landings at El Calafate and Puerto Santa Cruz performed by the numbers.

Due to the manual drop, it was close enough to be retrieved, but could have been closer; most practice was done to master dropping at parameters on autopilot.
Communication of package status was hindered by not having a concise summary of codes in a handy location. AP glitches and unfamiliarity caused manual flight until the system could be engaged again. At points, the package frequency was overloaded, leading to messages being delayed until a gap in traffic could be found.

Going forward, the ABM team should split separate areas of responsibility onto different frequencies at their discretion. Due to Hercules AP concerns, a second waypoint shall be placed >2NM past any precision drops along the same flight path. Radios should be preprogrammed with UHF channels to allow quick switching as they are controlled from the FMC, and require focus inside the cockpit for several seconds to switch frequencies. Frequency transitions should be performed while autopilot can be engaged to avoid flight path deviations. Flight time was also not as planned, due to a slower speed than used in the planning; recommended speeds are approximately 170 KIAS in climb phases, and 230 KIAS in cruise, unless escorts are assigned. Cruise with escorts should be approximately 260 KIAS. Finally, flight control transfer methods should be disabled until investigation of the systems fault on Ascot 1-1 has been concluded.

Screenshots thanks to: Arbitrary, Muhlump, Big Soda and Radintorov

Edit: For next mission, Rabbit Bravo, let's keep the pressure off that mech division.

We have human ATC and Air Battle Managers who stare at monitors like this, not even having DCS the game:

They talk on radio and offer instruction.

Goons even make newspapers for the events.

It's kind of hard to ever really summarize here.
All kinds of airplane nerds are talking in the thread, some just theorycraft, others nerd about planes themselves. Come join us and maybe you'll find a spark to participate somehow.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Oct 2, 2023

# ? Oct 2, 2023 00:02

HookedOnChthonics: Dec 5, 2015; Profoundly dull

im impressed that you typed all that one-handed but still, ew

# ? Oct 2, 2023 00:29

Wombot: Sep 11, 2001

drat, Richard McSpadden died: https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/air-safety-institutes-richard-mcspadden-dies-in-crash/

He was the SVP for AOPA's Air Safety Institute - sounds like there was an emergency after takeoff with the Cessna he was flying and they didn't make it back to the field. Both he and the other occupant died.

# ? Oct 2, 2023 02:44

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Wombot posted:

drat, Richard McSpadden died: https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/air-safety-institutes-richard-mcspadden-dies-in-crash/

He was the SVP for AOPA's Air Safety Institute - sounds like there was an emergency after takeoff with the Cessna he was flying and they didn't make it back to the field. Both he and the other occupant died.

I�ve watched every video from AOPA. This feels rough, and actually kind of hard to say anything here. Dude was passionate about GA Safety.

# ? Oct 2, 2023 02:50

Powered Descent: Jul 13, 2008; We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Vahakyla posted:

Bear with me, I'll try to hit up the high points and maybe catch one or two people from here.

And there are a few of us who have no idea about the various sims but are happily spectating the cool little alternate-history story. :patriot:

# ? Oct 2, 2023 02:59

Cactus Ghost: Dec 20, 2003; you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

why the gently caress would china invade the falkland islands

# ? Oct 2, 2023 03:13

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Cactus Ghost posted:

why the gently caress would china invade the falkland islands

Because it's World War 3, and the South Atlantic Map in DCS hasn't been used for a campaign yet, so something had to be written here. It's basically written backwards from that as a deus ex machina. Otherwise it was gonna be a sad (hilarious) border dispute of Chile and Argentina pounding it against each other.

# ? Oct 2, 2023 03:19

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Cactus Ghost posted:

why the gently caress would china invade the falkland islands

Because they're determined to free the seas and oceans of fish/edible protein long before climate change has a chance to finish the job.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Oct 2, 2023

# ? Oct 2, 2023 03:22

ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

Vahakyla posted:

Because it's World War 3, and the South Atlantic Map in DCS hasn't been used for a campaign yet, so something had to be written here. It's basically written backwards from that as a deus ex machina. Otherwise it was gonna be a sad (hilarious) border dispute of Chile and Argentina pounding it against each other.

If it's not killing millions of people a week it's not ww3 Vaha

# ? Oct 2, 2023 03:35

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

One of my fav photos from the Pacific Airshow at the Gold Coast

# ? Oct 2, 2023 07:01

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

we get it, you vape

# ? Oct 2, 2023 08:41

Lord Stimperor: Jun 13, 2018; I'm a lovable meme.

Wombot posted:

drat, Richard McSpadden died: https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/air-safety-institutes-richard-mcspadden-dies-in-crash/

He was the SVP for AOPA's Air Safety Institute - sounds like there was an emergency after takeoff with the Cessna he was flying and they didn't make it back to the field. Both he and the other occupant died.

I've watched his content a lot. If that guy doesn't make it idk I guess I'll just die

# ? Oct 2, 2023 13:17