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Solefald posted:tbf a lot of women are shite when it comes to medical examinations of intimate parts too. Saw quite a lot of comments on an instagram post from women saying they'd never ever go for a cervical screening b/c they think it'll be painful. There have been such big pushes to educate women on the importance of the cervical screening (iirc Jade Goody dying kicked that into gear) but there's still always going to be people ignorant people out there sadly. For the record my friend's cervical screening had her vomiting and passing out on the table from how much it hurt her due to vaginismus while mine was more like period cramps. Consider talking about how best to prepare for, deal with and recover from any discomfort the procedure potentially causes instead of scoffing at us shite ignorant women scared of a little non-existent pain?
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OwlFancier posted:Or to put it another way, if 1 in 6 boys are into andrew tate, why fight desperately to get those 1 in 6 back instead of looking to the other 5. Because the other 5 don't need your help? If you arrive at a flooded river and 5 people are standing on the bank and one is drowning in the current do you stop to chat or do you dive in? OwlFancier posted:Perhaps it is possible to make a lot of money trading on lies and using up other people like objects, but it is not possible to achieve a desirable political change by doing the same thing, because the change you want is for people to stop doing that. Of course it is. 'It worked for them but it could never work for us' is just lack of imagination. But regardless, no lies are needed. The only reason you seem hooked on the idea that it is deceptive is that you think rebranding or shuffling ideological principles into a new vehicle is somehow a lie. OwlFancier posted:Has it ever in your life occured to you that the means and the end are not entirely interchangeable? What is the 'end' though? To be able to look in the mirror and see a pure feminist? Or to look on the street and see 6 conscientious children? JoylessJester posted:Hey man, if you wanna hit the streets for 'manly man new way 2.0' that's secretly fem-soc or whatever go for it. The structures in place allow for right wingers to grift, I'm fairly certain any lefty doing it will be rounded on as a liar and hypocrite by the same structures pretty much instantly. Why would any lefty even bother if this is the level of support they get from their own side of the aisle. No need to wait for the alt-right to drag you down, your own will laugh at you for even wanting to try at all, just be a doomer instead and talk in circles about how everything is hosed. Rugz fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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Hasn't every single positive policy change of the last 50 years been a compromise? Would it have been a good thing if the gay community had said no to the 1967 decriminalisation as it was a compromise? Would it have been better to not compromise and for the whole thing to remain illegal until 2020 when we finally got full parity? I'd argue no. Now there comes a point where you are compromising so much then it's self defeating. I see this with voting for Starmers Labour for example. Corbyns Government would have been a compromise but most of the people in this thread supported the idea, now suddenly we can't compromise?
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Right wing media types make a killing because they are heavily promoted, if not outright bankrolled, by the class in our society with all the power, because it is in their interest to do so. Being dishonest, as someone working against those power structures, does not work much better, because how smooth you are is unrelated to how much airtime, promotion, and leeway you are given to be that dishonest. Similarly the reason all parties are moving right has nothing to do with voter interest, which is overwhelmingly against this, but is purely because it increases the chances of gaining power by acknowledging and submitting to the dominant class interest. The issue here is that no leftist wants power for its own sake, but because we want to do specific things. Plenty of people have given up the problematic branding of their ideologies in history and it does nothing for them. Libertarianism as a label for a certain brand of french leftism may have staved off a few arrests but it won no elections and is now just another joke right wing ideology. But if we give up the ideas themselves, and the solutions that come from them, we give up any chance of actually changing anything, which is the entire point
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I don't think gay people in 1967 were saying "if you decriminalize it please you are allowed to call us the f word"
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Pyrotoad posted:For the record my friend's cervical screening had her vomiting and passing out on the table from how much it hurt her due to vaginismus while mine was more like period cramps. Consider talking about how best to prepare for, deal with and recover from any discomfort the procedure potentially causes instead of scoffing at us shite ignorant women scared of a little non-existent pain? lol this thread infights like nowhere else online
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I've found it easy just in every day life to push left wing positions by framing them as "common sense". For instance, why do we allow our utilities to be structured in such a way that a significant amount of the money that we pay towards it doesn't get reinvested back into it? That money goes out on things like shareholders and advertising and so on, why not just simplify everything, kick out the middle men and let out money be used on actually maintaining and improving on it? Thats just common sense, right? And right there I've just made a decent case for nationalising our utilities. I doubt this would work as a political message, partly because every right winger would be screaming "thats just like communism where fifty billion people died every second" and every smug New Labour oval office would be dismissing it with "I think what voters would want is more choice".
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Gorn Myson posted:I've found it easy just in every day life to push left wing positions by framing them as "common sense". This works pretty well on a one to one basis, but like Spangly said the problem with left wing ideas and branding isn't anything inherent to them, it's that everyone with power and money will use all of their power and money to say "they're wrong and also a threat to YOUR family". This will work because when you're dealing with that level of propaganda (as opposed to one on one), it's not about the content, it's about repetition and how many sources it comes from.
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I think it would. 68% of people want the railway nationalised. The thing stopping it isn't the public will, they seem very open to the idea.
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Gorn Myson posted:I've found it easy just in every day life to push left wing positions by framing them as "common sense". This is a good conversational approach but in my experience it usually reaches a roadblock where people will agree that it's ridiculous to try and create a commercial market for water and to pay out dividends while pumping sewage into rivers...but any progressive or socialist solution is still dismissed as either lunacy or idealism. As a poster has already said 'public ownership' will scare fewer people than 'nationalisation' but even a portion of people who would theoretically support nationalisation of [whatever] will baulk at a anything or anyone that actually proposes it - the "I'm not against nationalisation but don't trust [party] or [person] to do it", which is often based on bad info. Like this bit of Giles Brandreth finding 'secret socialists' in Guilford - people who support large parts of Labour's 2017 manifesto on a policy basis but refuse to countenance actually voting for the party. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg So you get people describing themselves as "Tory with left leanings" and such.
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Mega Comrade posted:I think it would. 68% of people want the railway nationalised. The thing stopping it isn't the public will, they seem very open to the idea. They even put a party pledged to do it into government in 1997! We did the compromise, held up our end and it still didn't happen.
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Marmaduke! posted:Lol it's like when my wife was getting a new front door, literally told them we could spend no more than £1000, their quote was an extremely generous 995 I’ve been getting this a lot with quotes for work at my business. “I need x y a” ‘What’s your budget?” No motherfucker, you tell me what it will cost - I know nothing about this, you do it all the time. Knowing what I have to spend should have nothing to do with it. When you don’t give a budget you can get all sorts of fun quotes. I had three quotes for doors at the front of the railway arch to keep the heat in over winter. £3.2k, £3.7k, £12.7k(!) If I had given a budget of £5k I suspect I would have received quotes for £5k, £5k, £5.3k.
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Aramoro posted:Not offensive. Just deeply ignorant of how people actually work in reality. For a liberal centrist however, the international rule-of-law is inherently just and can never be questioned; it's enough to simply point to the moral failure and smugly imagine them living with unbearable guilt that means they will surely resign this time. When the wrongdoer is incapable of self reflection and continues to feel absolutely no shame, and more importantly keeps doing the thing.
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you people think all you need to speak with working class people and young lads is to swear and be offensive. and then you’ll call somebody supporting the Welsh Labour stance on housing travellers a Nazi lol you aren’t winning anybody over to the left boys you are literally the cancer
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Red Oktober posted:I’ve been getting this a lot with quotes for work at my business. The same goes for negotiating salary. If you get asked for your salary expectations don’t name a number.
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BalloonFish posted:This is a good conversational approach but in my experience it usually reaches a roadblock where people will agree that it's ridiculous to try and create a commercial market for water and to pay out dividends while pumping sewage into rivers...but any progressive or socialist solution is still dismissed as either lunacy or idealism. Like the "plant a bunch of trees" stuff that was in the 2019 Labour manifesto. Easily doable and cheap policy that's already been done by countries far worse off than ours even on a bigger scale, but was dismissed as a laughably unworkable idea by the entire press. You can convince people on a one to one basis quite easily but our politics runs on vibes defined by our media establishment.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Its especially stupid because a great deal of population centres in the UK already are 15 minute cities. I saw people protesting fifteen minutes cities when I was driving through Wallington the other day. Wallington! For those of you not familiar with the suburban sprawl inside the M25, Wallington is nearly the dictionary definition of what a fifteen minute community would look like, it was a village, it’s been subsumed into Greater London, and literally the only thing you can’t get within fifteen minutes is a pint for under a fiver
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https://twitter.com/AntiRacismDay/status/1708072767575269512
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Guavanaut posted:Yes, thus the idea of 'never play defense', not as a moral imperative, but because it doesn't work against that. Good video - just watched it.
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Crystal Thenis posted:you people think all you need to speak with working class people and young lads is to swear and be offensive. You're right they're not Nazi's they're loving thugs.
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happyhippy posted:Any reason the Police are in sky blue and not high viz yellow or orange? They’re “Liason Officers”. I.E spies
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forkboy84 posted:That's one of those truisms that's taken as fact but I'm not sure it's actually true outwith boomers. The actual studies into the matter tend towards most people form their views early on & then they stick to them. To quote one abstract (I wish I had JSTOR access, sigh) "Although the evidence suggests that attitudes probably become somewhat less susceptible to change as people grow older, there is scant evidence for any other contribution of aging to conservatism." One factor is that women live longer and have more liberal views on average, and the most conservative of all also tend to have bad habits and take excessive risks, like refuse to use seat belts or smoke in chain. So at some point the worst ghouls are all dead and only old hippies are left. Well, in theory anyway. Being rich also correlates with longevity and conservative views. But, there aren't that many rich people in population...
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Guavanaut posted:Why were the Jesuits owning land on such a mythologically significant spot anyway? i would trust them with my life, just from the look of them  the bobby charlton of trains
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Crystal Thenis posted:you aren’t winning anybody over to the left boys Yes, everyone on the internet is a “boy”  nice bit of sexism to add to the pile
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Nenonen posted:One factor is that women live longer and have more liberal views on average, and the most conservative of all also tend to have bad habits and take excessive risks, like refuse to use seat belts or smoke in chain. So at some point the worst ghouls are all dead and only old hippies are left. Well, in theory anyway. Being rich also correlates with longevity and conservative views. But, there aren't that many rich people in population... Women (in the UK) only flipped to voting more left-wing around 2000. Before then, Women voted Conservative more than Labour, with men being more left-wing. These things aren't set in stone.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Women (in the UK) only flipped to voting more left-wing around 2000. Before then, Women voted Conservative more than Labour, with men being more left-wing. These things aren't set in stone. Right, but voting Tories or Labour says nothing about whether someone has conservative or liberal views. You can be a life long socialist and hate gays and immigrants from the bottom of your heart.
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Nenonen posted:One factor is that women live longer and have more liberal views on average, and the most conservative of all also tend to have bad habits and take excessive risks, like refuse to use seat belts or smoke in chain. So at some point the worst ghouls are all dead and only old hippies are left. Well, in theory anyway. Being rich also correlates with longevity and conservative views. But, there aren't that many rich people in population... It's more 'owning property' iirc and guess which age group has it all these days.
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Crystal Thenis posted:let’s not forget only white people can be racist I liked it more when you were doing literally anything else than posting
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Crystal Thenis posted:checked in and got triggered by you sicknotes and fartsniffers complaining about the working class lool
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Solefald posted:tbf a lot of women are shite when it comes to medical examinations of intimate parts too. Saw quite a lot of comments on an instagram post from women saying they'd never ever go for a cervical screening b/c they think it'll be painful. There have been such big pushes to educate women on the importance of the cervical screening (iirc Jade Goody dying kicked that into gear) but there's still always going to be people ignorant people out there sadly. It's incredibly painful OP
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1708152472189993283 So I guess this is Cruella's bid to take control. I love it when they fight amongst themselves
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NotJustANumber99 posted:A wild Boris shambles up to the horizon Funniest possible outcome
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HopperUK posted:It's incredibly painful OP I'm more than aware that it can be.  My point was that despite the drive to educate women on the importance of having a cervical screening done there are many who just outright refuse to do so. IIRC it was something like 26% cite the fear of pain as being their main barrier to having the screening and yes it's a legitimate concern, as is every other factor, especially when that person hasn't been educated on the procedure. Your first screening can be terrifying, and if you have a bad experience for your first one (as I did) then it can be twice as scary having to go back for another when you're going to be anticipating that pain and/or discomfort. There's been a lot of great campaigns to help tackle these barriers, and idk what it's like for the rest of the UK but every Cervical Screening appointment letter I got would come with a whole load of information about how it all plays out, guides on before and after care and then a big old info dump on HPV, abnormal cells and again a lot of information about how important the screening is and I can't for the life of me comprehend someone being provided with this information and support and just going "nah it's fine I'll just take the risk". Most Cervical Cancer cases are preventable and a major factor in that is getting your screening done.
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