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Graendal is really neat to me. Ascetic turned hedonist, using a party girl persona to cover a tactical mind? Super cool. The way she hides subtle manipulation within overt manipulation is great.
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CuriousSymptoms posted:Semirhage. I don't think many of the other Forsaken came close to being so utterly depraved, and there is something hugely compelling, albeit ghastly, about a truly evil figure like that. Wildly underrated characterisation. Wasn't Aginor the one that was like Semirhage but genetics and created the Trollocs? It's been a while since I read the books and as I recall he was one of the ones at the end of book 1 so there's still room to put him on the table somehow since the Eye sequence got changed pretty dramatically. I am also extremely curious about how they're going to use the forsaken for the series. I'm kinda feeling like maybe they're going to end this season with (among other things) taking Lanfear and Moraine off of the table with something regarding the Ways, since we haven't been introduced to the Finn yet. Matt's past life business can be introduced from Ishamael's peyote tea if they chose to cut the Finn for brevity, so the pieces look like they might be there for it!
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Sep 30, 2023 01:50
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Mine is Be’lal ever since Wheel Takes voiced him as Zapp Brannigan
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Sep 30, 2023 01:53
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Colonel Cool posted:Who's everyone's favourite book Forsaken? My favorite Forsaken to read about in the books is Moggy. My favorite in an intellectual "that is a cool characterization" type is probably Graendal.
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Sep 30, 2023 02:31
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Booooo it really seems like they're gonna skip a lot of Dragon Reborn which sucks cause it's good what kind of moments do you still want to see tbh a lot of the plot parts are mashed together and likely mis-ordered in my brain. they'd probably keep rand getting callandor and the general taking of tear, but most of the stuff seems like it can and already has been moved around. the wonder girls already know about the black ajah so they're unlikely to head back to the tower for anything unless they remove liandrin.
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Sep 30, 2023 03:14
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crepeface posted:they'd probably keep rand getting callandor and the general taking of tear, but most of the stuff seems like it can and already has been moved around. the wonder girls already know about the black ajah so they're unlikely to head back to the tower for anything unless they remove liandrin. I think he's gonna go get the Aiel on his side *then* go take Tear with them. Sorta mashup the Illian campaign and Tear. Also, I saw this theory about the preview for the last episode. 
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Sep 30, 2023 03:31
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I wish the show would have more Padan Fain. The actor is extremely charismatic and steals whatever scene he's been in.
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Sep 30, 2023 03:42
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Hughmoris posted:I wish the show would have more Padan Fain. The actor is extremely charismatic and steals whatever scene he's been in. Agreed
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Sep 30, 2023 04:00
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Yea, i'm hoping for more Fain next episode, which would fit. Also, I was watching a show watcher reaction and they had a conclusion about Lan that I missed. When Lan asks Moiraine if she ever considered suicide, and she says no, he smiles. I thought that was more just him going "She's my strong trooper!" But they think that was the thing Lan needed to know to realize that she was shielded. Because if she was actually stilled she probably would have thought about suicide. So, since she didn't think about suicide, she isn't stilled. It's something else. I still think we should have had Lan studying something instead of just mentioning.
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Sep 30, 2023 06:19
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I think we would have been equally critical of a lan library montage
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Sep 30, 2023 08:43
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CainsDescendant posted:Graendal is really neat to me. Ascetic turned hedonist, using a party girl persona to cover a tactical mind? Super cool. The way she hides subtle manipulation within overt manipulation is great. If Graendal had been Nae'Blis the Dark One would have won 
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Sep 30, 2023 08:46
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Rarity posted:If Graendal had been Nae'Blis the Dark One would have won Nah, she completely ballsed up a gimme ambush I feel like she would be most effective when under direct orders, as in Tarmon Gai'don, left to her own devices she's almost too clever for her own good
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Sep 30, 2023 09:10
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Got to agree with some others here. That last episode felt a lot more rough to me for some reason. A lot of moments not really landing. Including Gitara Moroso, not sure how they made that seem relatively lame. I think they modified the words of the foretelling a bit from the books, and the whole setting of it was a bit different too. Then, Rand facing the Amyrlin - the stuff there with Lan doesn't really work if there's been no actually mentoring beforehand? And the I Stand Ready thing made no sense at all given it wasn't introduced. Moiraine getting her groove back at last in a relatively anticlimactic way and with Lan unexplained lost power know-how. Lol at the end. Moiraine and lan just waltzing off merrily into the Ways with Lanfear and Rand when they only just introduced Lanfear as the Most Evil Forsaken? Now let's go on a road trip. Also how did Siuan attack Lan..? I get that the Oaths are full of holes but... not that much right? Or did I see that wrong. Basically it felt like they are running to solve their plot holes in one episode but creating a bunch more in doing so. The fact of season 1 being a rushed mess means none of the background/world building is really set up properly and they haven't really sorted that out this season. Ah well. We will see what they can do with the last ep. The emotional tone of the whole season has been so high pitched/relentless, that it is bound to be pretty epic in scale at least I should think. Goofballs posted:Bringing up the sword forms was always going to be silly but they had a go. That was always something that worked better on the page than if we were to actually see it. For example, presumably next episode the Horn is going to feature in some way.. but there wasn't a single mention of it in the whole of this episode. And it was only briefly discussed in the previous episode. And it was only mentioned for the first time at the end of the last season when it was found buried under a chair in a castle. Rarity posted:I think this is retroactive memory. There's very little mention of specific heroes in the first two books.
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Sep 30, 2023 16:30
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If Season 2 was filmed before Season 1 aired in 2021, how is it a competent production when the latter half of Season 1 is a COVID production mess? Doesn't add up.
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Sep 30, 2023 17:25
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My mother came back to me with something that wasn't obvious about Mat's tea'veren scene: he didn't drink the tea as soon as the sand glass had run out. You see him sitting there with the glass run, stopping to contemplate the kettle for a minute, and only then pouring himself a cup. So it's likely that he let it steep longer than Ishamael told him to, and it thus didn't do what Ishamael wanted it to do.
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Sep 30, 2023 17:44
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i definitely thought the scene was confusing until someone itt said that ishy is father of lies and was the direct opposite of seeing his past lives, instead affirming his present life's trauma and failures. maybe ishy didn't intend the screaming-mat-hugging-screaming-mat part, that was a steeping issue
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Sep 30, 2023 17:50
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I thought we were going to get a magic fight between Lanfear and a linked Siuan, possibly with that bald Black Ajah interceding. And I want more of that Blue Sitter's story. I thought for sure she was going to be the broken collared sister from the books that captured Pura. I thought that in episode five of last season!
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Sep 30, 2023 17:51
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Ishy literally just gave Mat acid and knew he'd have a bad trip
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Sep 30, 2023 17:51
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i say swears online posted:i definitely thought the scene was confusing until someone itt said that ishy is father of lies and was the direct opposite of seeing his past lives, instead affirming his present life's trauma and failures. maybe ishy didn't intend the screaming-mat-hugging-screaming-mat part, that was a steeping issue Mat DID get a brief glimpse of his past lives though. The guys in the mirror who were stabbing and drowning their friends were clearly not Mat, so it did indeed do what Ish told him it would. It showed him that in every turn of the wheel (so far...) he was a scumfuck shithead who betrayed and murdered his friends and loved ones.
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Sep 30, 2023 18:06
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i say swears online posted:i definitely thought the scene was confusing until someone itt said that ishy is father of lies and was the direct opposite of seeing his past lives, instead affirming his present life's trauma and failures. maybe ishy didn't intend the screaming-mat-hugging-screaming-mat part, that was a steeping issue Dr. Clockwork posted:If Season 2 was filmed before Season 1 aired in 2021, how is it a competent production when the latter half of Season 1 is a COVID production mess? Doesn't add up. By the time they got to filming season 2, everything had settled down more, everyone knew what the restrictions were, etc. Entirely different situation.
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El Grillo posted:Got to agree with some others here. That last episode felt a lot more rough to me for some reason. A lot of moments not really landing. Including Gitara Moroso, not sure how they made that seem relatively lame. I think they modified the words of the foretelling a bit from the books, and the whole setting of it was a bit different too. I was disappointed because I really wanted to hear her scream her last words foretelling the dragons rebirth. Her telling Moiraine and Siuan what todo with her dying breath felt wrong as well. Like they figured that out themselves. I feel like they reduced the impact of this scene in order to make it clearer to non book readers. I think it would've been clear enough and the book version is loving metal, this was yet another thing I had wanted to see but was denied. quote:"He is born again! I feel him! The Dragon takes his first breath on the slopes of Dragonmount! He is coming! He is coming! Light help us! Light help the world! He lies in the snow and cries like the thunder! He burns like the sun!"
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Sep 30, 2023 18:56
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His Divine Shadow posted:I was disappointed because I really wanted to hear her scream her last words foretelling the dragons rebirth. Her telling Moiraine and Siuan what todo with her dying breath felt wrong as well. Like they figured that out themselves. I feel like they reduced the impact of this scene in order to make it clearer to non book readers. I think it would've been clear enough and the book version is loving metal, this was yet another thing I had wanted to see but was denied. Same, I was excited when I realised what was coming up and then had an overwhelming feeling of "meh" when they whiffed the impact of that scene
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Sep 30, 2023 19:00
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His Divine Shadow posted:I was disappointed because I really wanted to hear her scream her last words foretelling the dragons rebirth. Her telling Moiraine and Siuan what todo with her dying breath felt wrong as well. Like they figured that out themselves. I feel like they reduced the impact of this scene in order to make it clearer to non book readers. I think it would've been clear enough and the book version is loving metal, this was yet another thing I had wanted to see but was denied. Yeah, I was thinking about that book scene earlier this week and couldn't remember if the show had already done it. They then delivered that. Such a cool bit, you'd think they get a powerful actress to deliver it. quote:"He is born again! I feel him! The Dragon takes his first breath on the slopes of Dragonmount! He is coming! He is coming! Light help us! Light help the world! He lies in the snow and cries like the thunder! He burns like the sun!" *I went back and watched the scene, they had 12 cuts during the delivery of that. Hughmoris fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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Sep 30, 2023 19:07
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I wonder whether it's partly to do with the fact they already showed the actual birth scene in season 1? I can't remember but, did we actually find out Rand was born on dragonmount in EotW? I have a feeling we only got that at beginning of book 2 when Siuan tells the whole story including the Gitara foretelling but maybe I'm wrong. In any case I kind of feel like the birth scene would have been cooler tied up with the Foretelling maybe. Not sure though. The birth scene felt a bit randomly placed there in season 1 but that might be just me. Edit yeah had a look, the birth on dragonmount is first mentioned by Moiraine at the beginning of book 2 when she and Siuan confront him about being TDR. El Grillo fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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Sep 30, 2023 19:20
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I can't imagine any tv show is good enough for someone to stop complaining about "too many cuts". Like, I wonder if I made a TV show that is just a camera on a tripod and every actor steps in front of it, explains directly to the camera what they are feeling and what they are doing, and someone in this thread would still be like "omg there was a cut between episode 1 and episode 2 garbage show. Also I was confused as to what the characters were feeling." Anyway yea the Gitara scene was pretty meh. She barely even raised her voice.
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Sep 30, 2023 19:39
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Lol, there's no such thing as good or bad editing.
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Sep 30, 2023 19:57
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CainFortea posted:I can't imagine any tv show is good enough for someone to stop complaining about "too many cuts". Like most things, I think there is a balance. For me, they've strayed into excessive cuts. Reminds me a lot of Liam Neeson jumping a fence. Maybe I'm an outlier on the subject.
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I feel like I'm not a particularly nitpicky person but this show definitely has some weird editing going on. Overly cut-y at times and some weird continuity stuff like that Egwene shot from early in the season. I've mostly chalked it up to COVID stuff, if they're not getting a lot of safety takes due to short or interrupted shooting days that'd make a lot of sense. It hasn't bothered me much but I'm largely sympathetic to it bugging folks. Hopefully it's not going to be a problem from next season on
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The Gitara Moroso scene was a bit disappointing, but not because of editing, they just fumbled the writing and direction. She should have been seizing and screaming and going fuckin nuts, but instead she's fairly sedate and explainss to Moiraine and Siuan what they should do. Doesn't really sell the apocalyptic premonition. This episode was a bit rougher for me and it feels like it should be impossible for them to pull off tying everything together in the last episode, but we'll see.
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Sep 30, 2023 20:11
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CainFortea posted:Worfing is when you have someone who is stated to be the strongest and bestest warrior, but exists on screen only to get Chumped Constantly by the monster of the week (or a blue barrel). When? Like, specifically? The first episode is basically it. Aside from that, he's performed no better than any other warder. In this season, Moirainne killed exactly as many Myrdraal as he did, and she did with a belt knife.
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CainsDescendant posted:I feel like I'm not a particularly nitpicky person but this show definitely has some weird editing going on. Overly cut-y at times and some weird continuity stuff like that Egwene shot from early in the season. I've mostly chalked it up to COVID stuff, if they're not getting a lot of safety takes due to short or interrupted shooting days that'd make a lot of sense. It hasn't bothered me much but I'm largely sympathetic to it bugging folks. Hopefully it's not going to be a problem from next season on The reason is simply there's too much stuff to be squeezed into 8 episodes IMO. And that's not meant to be a criticism against the writers and makers of this show, they could have hired the absolute best of the best that ever worked in this business and I don't think they could do all the stuff justice in 8 ep seasons. Just. need. more. episodes.
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Sep 30, 2023 20:40
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tbf Lan got two, Moraine only got one
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Sep 30, 2023 20:41
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Nihilarian posted:tbf Lan got two, Moraine only got one It's well known lore that Lan is twice as deadly than Moraine with a blade. Although, didn't Moraine kill hers with a dagger? I think that gives her a +1 to the kill count.
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Honestly the simplest solution that also makes way more sense than Lan figuring out the shield is…Rand sees it? You know the male channeler she rescued from Lanfear and spent some time with? I guess for some reason they are going with “you only see weaves when you grab the Source” but I’ve been expecting him to figure out the tied off shield for half this season.
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Sep 30, 2023 21:06
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He did see it, he just thought he had his Winamp visualizer on.
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His Divine Shadow posted:The reason is simply there's too much stuff to be squeezed into 8 episodes IMO. And that's not meant to be a criticism against the writers and makers of this show, they could have hired the absolute best of the best that ever worked in this business and I don't think they could do all the stuff justice in 8 ep seasons. Just. need. more. episodes. might make the whole show feel less breathless too, give it some more space.
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CainFortea posted:I can't imagine any tv show is good enough for someone to stop complaining about "too many cuts". Your show is garbage because it didn't explain why things are bad
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Devorum posted:When? Like, specifically? The first episode is basically it. Aside from that, he's performed no better than any other warder. In this season, Moirainne killed exactly as many Myrdraal as he did, and she did with a belt knife. He kills more fades, while facing 3. She killed 1 by being a tricky hobbit. I'll flip this around. Have we seen anyone else on screen face 3 fades and survive for any length of time while killing 2 of them? Comrade Blyatlov posted:Your show is garbage because it didn't explain why things are bad 
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I mean I watched Schindler's List and it ended with a bunch of people singing so what was the point exactly?
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