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Shooting Blanks posted:Probably not, because it would literally never end. The GOP would fully consume itself trying to figure it out, I don't think they have anyone who can get the votes. That sounds even more hilarious than the first time around!
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Squibbles posted:Tell that to the libertarians that took over that town in New Hampshire. Nobody did garbage collection and eventually bears took over the town. As someone who lives in a town without garbage collection (we have a very good recycling program with high participation rates, but no collection for that either) I have to believe libertarian paradise managed to gently caress up the garbage situation worse than not having a collection service for it. "No garbage collection" by itself doesn't seem like nearly as big a deal as people make it... and they still hosed it up! I'm guessing it was just the attitude of the individuals involved storing trash outside without securing it, and that even with once a week collection or something they would have had the exact same problem
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FlamingLiberal posted:Ukraine funding is a mess now, and it may be that they won’t be able to get any future funding through with this current Congress Ukraine funding has strong majorities from each party in each chamber and the monetary might of the MIC backing it. As with the COLA, what you saw today was a chunk of membership telling leadership that tying anything to the continuing resolution is bad optics. Gaetz is crowing about it because McCarthy's been taunting him all week and then the GOP gaveled out while Gaetz was trying to take advantage of the audience and boot McCarthy while normal Americans were actually paying momentary attention to the House in an off year. It's not quite "jokes on you, I poo poo myself on purpose", but today was enough of an abject failure for Gaetz that literally all he has to brag on is pretending that requiring a separate bill for something desired by 300+ representatives and 75+ senators is a meaningful victory. That also ignores relevant committee leadership noting that while not including the funding in this bill could matter eventually, it's not anything with imminent effect: quote:Rep. Mike Rogers, the Republican chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said he would like to send a clear message to the world about U.S. support for Ukraine by passing legislation, but believes the Pentagon has “enough draw-down money” to last through December. quote:Sen. Jim Risch of Idaho, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Ukraine should not be deterred, and that aid can be approved by other means. And in case none of that is compelling: the money is to replenish what the administration has and will continue to send via the Presidential Drawdown Authority. Nearly everything we're sending to Ukraine is poo poo we had lying around. The funding request is largely for our own military supply. The lack of inclusion today, against all odds, matters less than the fire alarm or the timewasting speech Jeffries gave... despite the excitement of Gaetz-esque morons across the political spectrum. Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Oct 1, 2023 |
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It doesn't concern you that Mitch went to the GOP Senate caucus and there was no support for a bill to add the Ukraine funding in?
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Squibbles posted:Tell that to the libertarians that took over that town in New Hampshire. Nobody did garbage collection and eventually bears took over the town. You say nobody took over garbage collection, but then you say bears did? Clearly the free market provided a solution
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Oct 1, 2023 06:43
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davecrazy posted:Why exactly did that guy pull the fire alarm? I honestly believe this explanation: https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1708312512356098174?t=6oQcZ5liO5GOF8EN1WHTpA&s=19
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I honestly believe this explanation: Good enough to probably get him out of any serious trouble, anyways. The right will whine about the J6ers but who cares.
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At work we had a maglocked door that had a movement sensor to automatically unlock it from inside. To the side of the door was a pull box to turn off the lock if it wasn't releasing normally for any reason. The box resembled your run of the mill fire alarm pull only colored blue instead of red so I can believe him thinking it was a door release. Still a total dumbass move.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It doesn't concern you that Mitch went to the GOP Senate caucus and there was no support for a bill to add the Ukraine funding in? quote:“I think the speaker has always had a good position on Ukraine. I think he's dealing with a caucus that's got fractures that he has to deal with and none of them can be ignored when you've got a four-seat majority and 15 nuts in the conference,” Rogers said, referring to far-right lawmakers who have staunchly opposed funding for Ukraine Given that backdrop, there was zero reason for the Senate to include it up until McCarthy caved today and then little appetite to look as if you're risking a government shutdown by trying to get both chambers to combine on a compromise bill for Ukraine when you could just as easily pass one next week with no ill effect.
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I'm honestly more bemused by the idea of a door that takes 30 seconds to unlock. What is it, a loving Fallout vault?
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I'm honestly more bemused by the idea of a door that takes 30 seconds to unlock. The idea is that it gives security time to come catch you. They have them on retail stores because they can't trap people in, technically
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As someone who works on the hill, a couple notes: a) There's no real basis that he did this to disrupt the voting process, but... b) He's also gotta be a total moron to have not understood that sign. That exact setup for emergency exits is all over every House office building; it's the basic way they keep the building secured while also letting people escape during a fire or other emergency. It'd be plausibly confusing if you had never seen it before and spent less than ten seconds thinking about it. I'm not sure what that says about Bowman that he seemingly worked there for a couple years and never spent those ten seconds.
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Discendo Vox posted:As someone who works on the hill, a couple notes: Even if that was a truly unique exit door/alarm combination, he's still a total moron. "Emergency exit" has an absolutely crystal clear meaning - it's not ambiguous, it's not an exit that "Should be for emergencies, but it's totally cool if you use it just because it's convenient." It calls (or should call) a response from emergency services, that's what they're designed for. It's something most people understand by middle school.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I honestly believe this explanation: Oh ffs it’s ok to call someone on “your side” a lying loving moron instead of doing this kind of mental gymnastics.
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KillHour posted:A Democrat could chew gum in the hallway and Republicans would respond the same. They need to do something to discourage it because it's going to piss everyone else off (especially the fire department) if it keeps happening, but it's not going to be anything substantial. To be clear, Nicole is a republican so this is absolutely your usual shitbag Republican antics on display here. The party doesn't seem to be trying to censure him for accidentally pulling the alarm. Also, that sign really does have Don't Dead Open Inside energy to it. Archonex fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Oct 1, 2023 |
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GlyphGryph posted:As someone who lives in a town without garbage collection (we have a very good recycling program with high participation rates, but no collection for that either) I have to believe libertarian paradise managed to gently caress up the garbage situation worse than not having a collection service for it. "No garbage collection" by itself doesn't seem like nearly as big a deal as people make it... and they still hosed it up! Most/all rural areas don’t have garbage collection , for obvious reasons. People just haul their trash to the dump themselves. One of the reasons people need pickup trucks when living in the country. It would be trickier to replicate in an urban/suburban area where not everyone has the means to transport their trash to a central dump by themselves.
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davecrazy posted:The Senate approved the military promotions too? No https://twitter.com/connorobrienNH/status/1708296031585059051
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GlyphGryph posted:As someone who lives in a town without garbage collection (we have a very good recycling program with high participation rates, but no collection for that either) I have to believe libertarian paradise managed to gently caress up the garbage situation worse than not having a collection service for it. "No garbage collection" by itself doesn't seem like nearly as big a deal as people make it... and they still hosed it up! https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project Some great bits in there like the ultimate libertarian mindset: quote:Grappling with what to do about the bears, the Graftonites also wrestled with the arguments of certain libertarians who questioned whether they should do anything at all—especially since several of the town residents had taken to feeding the bears, more or less just because they could. One woman, who prudently chose to remain anonymous save for the sobriquet “Doughnut Lady,” revealed to Hongoltz-Hetling that she had taken to welcoming bears on her property for regular feasts of grain topped with sugared doughnuts. If those same bears showed up on someone else’s lawn expecting similar treatment, that wasn’t her problem.
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Squibbles posted:https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project Christ, this is like a Simpsons episode.
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BiggerBoat posted:Christ, this is like a Simpsons episode. Y’all really need to read this book because I assure you you’re not ready for how it ends 
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The fire alarm is loving marked FIRE ALARM The dumb gently caress did the dumb loving thing and should face the consequences accordingly. The mean ol' Republicans didn't bully him into this, Jesus Christ.
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In the real world, the consequences for pulling a fire alarm once is a chat with the fire marshal who reminds the instigator that it should only be used in an emergency. That’s already happened.
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Yes, but you need to remember there's a vocal minority of Americans who peaked in high school and believe that Bowman should be super duper expelled for it.
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Kaal posted:In the real world, the consequences for pulling a fire alarm once is a chat with the fire marshal who reminds the instigator that it should only be used in an emergency. That’s already happened. It's not the real world, it's congress. He can get hosed by whatever bizarre rules they have.
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Congress doesn’t actually have a specific rule for drawing and quartering Democrats who pull fire alarms, but I’m sure Matt Gaetz will introduce one once he succeeds in kicking out McCarthy and establishing the Free Bear House.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I honestly believe this explanation: I used to work in the access/alarm industry and just to clarify, pressing and holding the crash bar for 3 seconds will set off the fire alarm. You don't need to pull the alarm switch on the wall. Like, if that sign fell on the floor or you just weren't paying attention, you could absolutely set it off trying to go through that door. Fake edit: https://youtu.be/oIUl4JXLOqo?si=jxUefU1Ur1stqvBt Apparently, he actually did literally pull the alarm switch though.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Probably not, because it would literally never end. The GOP would fully consume itself trying to figure it out, I don't think they have anyone who can get the votes. It's this. If Gaetz and co. manage to bring down McCarthy, it basically spells the end of the House doing anything at all from now on. They barely cobbled the votes together last time and the inner-party acrimony has only gotten worse.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Even if that was a truly unique exit door/alarm combination, he's still a total moron. "Emergency exit" has an absolutely crystal clear meaning - it's not ambiguous, it's not an exit that "Should be for emergencies, but it's totally cool if you use it just because it's convenient." It calls (or should call) a response from emergency services, that's what they're designed for. It's something most people understand by middle school. To be fair, this is much more ambiguous in NYC, where "emergency exits" are very regularly normal exits, like in the entire MTA
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Shooting Blanks posted:Probably not, because it would literally never end. The GOP would fully consume itself trying to figure it out, I don't think they have anyone who can get the votes. That's the thing, I don't think there's anyone else the GOP might unite around besides maybe the Whip and the Freedom Caucus won't go for that nor would generic Republicans go for some insane pick like Gaetz, Boebert or MTG so they'll likely end up at a long term deadlock. You don't even really start to fix congress unless you find a way to get rid of those guys or end up with a Democratic majority again after the 2024 general. Dems are unsurprisingly unwilling to do much to try to save him in a pinch either since they're pissed that he's such a dipshit partisan hack all these years and is opening dubious impeachment inquiries into Biden. He'd have to cut one hell of a deal to get for them to prop him up. It's kind of up to Jeffries I think at this point which tactic they go with in the event that Gaetz pulls the trigger. Kale fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Oct 1, 2023 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's this. If Gaetz and co. manage to bring down McCarthy, it basically spells the end of the House doing anything at all from now on. They barely cobbled the votes together last time and the inner-party acrimony has only gotten worse. The fact that the short term funding bill passed the house 335-91 signals that there could be some appetite for working across the aisle on critical issues. Maybe a few Dems vote for McCarthy to offset Gaetz and co. in exchange for some assurances like funding Ukraine and keeping the government running? I'm not expecting any sort of grand compromise legislation but I could see it happening for bare bones "keep the lights on" type stuff.
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World Famous W posted:people can just admit they don't mind using underhanded tactics for political purposes, this time delaying a vote to get longer to read a bill by causing an evacuation I do, but it's more fun to imagine it was a real life example of this. 
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:To be fair, this is much more ambiguous in NYC, where "emergency exits" are very regularly normal exits, like in the entire MTA Those doors double as both emergency exits and as access points for people with large belongings like strollers and suitcases and mobility aids
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The real killer is the hastert rule, named for the former speaker, which says that a speaker won't schedule a vote that doesn't have the support of a majority of their party. You can absolutely pass a lot of legislation with a minority of Republicans siding with Dems but those votes won't happen.
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haveblue posted:Those doors double as both emergency exits and as access points for people with large belongings like strollers and suitcases and mobility aids Those are just regular doors for everyone to access the free subway not sure what you’re talking about just open them 
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Republicans posted:I do, but it's more fun to imagine it was a real life example of this. Amusing, but terrible advice in that gif. I have to recommend touching one's own willie, at a minimum.
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Morrow posted:The real killer is the hastert rule, named for the former speaker, which says that a speaker won't schedule a vote that doesn't have the support of a majority of their party. You can absolutely pass a lot of legislation with a minority of Republicans siding with Dems but those votes won't happen. The other Hastert Rule is that this is the only context in which Republicans ever mention Dennis Hastert
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Morrow posted:The real killer is the hastert rule, named for the former speaker, which says that a speaker won't schedule a vote that doesn't have the support of a majority of their party. You can absolutely pass a lot of legislation with a minority of Republicans siding with Dems but those votes won't happen. It's not a real rule, let alone binding law or something. The House can bring anything up for a vote if the Speaker feels like it, it's just that McCarthy's position is (or, I guess, was) so tenuous that he couldn't afford to; and Ryan may have been ideologically opposed to doing so and/or felt threatened by the Tea Party against considering it, but Boehner did several times. Even Hastert said it wasn't really a rule, and he broke it a dozen times.
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