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I don’t know why the obviously deliberately outrageous Kill the Moon and the kinda sad Sleep No More get all this guff but almost nobody is upset about Dark Water’s decision to tell kids that all their relatives who died and got cremated are experiencing eternal torment. I’m middle-aged and watched the episode before my father died and was cremated, and I found it disturbing. And unlike the claims of the other two episodes, it isn’t clear that this one can be conclusively disproven, at least not for anyone who believes in the possibility of life after death or the soul. In the Forest of the Night deserves every criticism it gets, though.
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Oct 1, 2023 14:42
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Narsham posted:I don’t know why the obviously deliberately outrageous Kill the Moon and the kinda sad Sleep No More get all this guff but almost nobody is upset about Dark Water’s decision to tell kids that all their relatives who died and got cremated are experiencing eternal torment. Yeah this is why I said gently caress Dark Water earlier. It's a lovely thing to throw at a family audience, and then it's topped off with cyber Brig. Kill the moon is poo poo on the same level as Orphan 55, in that it's earnest but bad. Sleep No More either works for you or it doesn't.
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Oct 1, 2023 14:55
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the whole "don't cremate me" thing is really weird looking back on it - it doesn't really go anywhere or factor into any characters' schemes or motivations, it just feels like a jarringly edgelord concept bunged in there for no reason, and really sticks out given Moffat's usual semi-fairytale tone.
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Oct 1, 2023 14:56
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And people wonder why I gave up on Moffat-run NuWho about halfway through Smith's second season. The man is wildly overrated.
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Oct 1, 2023 15:02
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Sydney Bottocks posted:And people wonder why I gave up on Moffat-run NuWho about halfway through Smith's second season. The man is wildly overrated. He can write good stories, he just needs someone or something hemming him in. I mean gently caress, he writes good first episodes of things, just do what hbomb said and let him write pilots for the rest of his existence and turn the shows over to other people.
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Oct 1, 2023 15:04
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It's horror! It's not "not followed up on", it's a key part of Missy's plan - terrify the public in order to secure corpses for cyber-conversion and also because she thinks it's funny. If no one thinks the dead feel pain, no one donates bodies to her scheme.
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Oct 1, 2023 15:04
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DoctorWhat posted:It's horror! It's not "not followed up on", it's a key part of Missy's plan - terrify the public in order to secure corpses for cyber-conversion and also because she thinks it's funny. If no one thinks the dead feel pain, no one donates bodies to her scheme. But it’s released, what, a year before she does the reanimation thing? How many extra bodies is she getting compared with the total number of available bodies? And she’s a time-traveler, so why not seed this terrifying idea earlier in human history? I did just learn that, at least in the US, cremation rates have gone way up since the 1970s, so giving Missy a line or two might potentially justify it. But the idea that she needs people opting in to this specific program when she’s about to animate dead bodies across the globe is just silly, if it weren’t so ghoulish, and “I’m hiding behind the sofa so the Cybermen don’t get me” is distinct from “is grandma in pain right now?” There were things to do with that idea—how is it much different from the Christian “sinners in eternal torment” world model—but it just gets dropped, it has nothing thematically to do with the broader body horror of the story, and it sits uncomfortably with the “are these new Cybermen zombies, or are they revivified human beings, or what” questions of the rest of the episodes. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls manages the horror far more effectively, IMO.
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Oct 1, 2023 15:15
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For me at least I was still holding out hope for the series during Kill the Moon, but by the end I had been so thoroughly beaten down I just didn't care anymore. That was the last series I warched.
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Oct 1, 2023 16:50
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Sorry boutcha. There's actually a ton of great episodes and seasons after that.
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Oct 1, 2023 16:56
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Feels so surreal that we're going to get new doctor who next month. It's been a distant thing for so long now.
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Oct 1, 2023 16:58
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Everyone says how well Paul McGann is aging, but Lisa Bowerman doesn't seem to have aged for about two and a half decades. I keep meaning to get into the Benny stuff more. Anyway, just listened to The Curse of the Daleks and it's the worse of the three stage play adaptations. While The Ultimate Adventure and Seven Keys to Doomsday had a fun pantomine camp, this is boring. It's an original story, with no version of the Doctor appearing, using elements from the mid-1960s Dalek mythos. It's plodding and dull, and the Daleks don't even show up until halfway through. There's some sexism that even Briggs admits to being embarassed by, and other elements just don't work. One of the actors sounds oddly like Paul McGann but isn't. I had some fun with the other two, but none with this. Though if you find Daleks shouting amusing, they do that a lot in the last few mintues.
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Oct 1, 2023 20:53
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OldMemes posted:There's some sexism that even Briggs admits to being embarassed by Glass houses, stones.
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Oct 2, 2023 03:39
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I discovered, and turned to, Doctor Who, the week my father got his death sentence from cancer, and I watched this every night for months along with Day of the Doctor. This video saved my life. We're almost back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrSaTHsHNsc LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Oct 2, 2023 |
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Oct 2, 2023 09:54
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Fil5000 posted:He can write good stories, he just needs someone or something hemming him in. I mean gently caress, he writes good first episodes of things, just do what hbomb said and let him write pilots for the rest of his existence and turn the shows over to other people. He didn't write a good first episode for Inside Man.
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Oct 2, 2023 09:55
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LividLiquid posted:I discovered, and turned to, Doctor Who, the week my father got his death sentence from cancer, and I watched this every night for months along with Day of the Doctor. Glad to have you still here 
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Oct 2, 2023 10:17
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Lottery of Babylon posted:He didn't write a good first episode for Inside Man. Oh god that was loving awful. There's one good scene that stuck with me, the bit where a murderer has a self-indulgent breakdown about how killing people is so hard because you have to get it right the first time, where as cops get multiple opportunities to gently caress up and learn when catching murderers. That made me laugh but it's also so disgusting and stupid, it's great. But otherwise, yes, trash. Edit: I just remembered how the first scene literally involved multiple women chanting "me too". gently caress that was loving horrible. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Oct 2, 2023 |
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Oct 2, 2023 10:19
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Lottery of Babylon posted:He didn't write a good first episode for Inside Man. I almost forgot this existed because I didn't make it through the first episode. I concede, time to remove Moffat from society as a whole and television specifically.
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Oct 2, 2023 12:41
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LividLiquid posted:I discovered, and turned to, Doctor Who, the week my father got his death sentence from cancer, and I watched this every night for months along with Day of the Doctor. This is such a classic. While watching that, I decided I needed to see what Babelcolour was up to. Looks like this is his latest project https://youtu.be/EVW7y6NkVok?si=dbJhpsVw9QurZuQP Obviously just a trailer and it uses some clips from their previous fan film project, none of these are objectively good in my opinion but they are interesting to see what they've attempted.
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Oct 2, 2023 12:53
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Ncuti is currently in Rio between seasons, looking amazing.  EDIT for cake https://twitter.com/doctorwhobrasil/status/1707836963443622056 The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Oct 2, 2023 |
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Oct 2, 2023 13:58
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Open Source Idiom posted:Edit: I just remembered how the first scene literally involved multiple women chanting "me too". gently caress that was loving horrible. Do what now 
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Oct 2, 2023 14:23
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Lottery of Babylon posted:He didn't write a good first episode for Inside Man. Are you saying that the "pay the rapist" twist wasn't high cinema.
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Oct 2, 2023 15:26
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Open Source Idiom posted:Oh god that was loving awful. Murders have like a 50% chance of being solved by cops, and most of those are because it's obvious, no investigation needed.
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Oct 2, 2023 16:09
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Capaldi might be my favorite doctor.
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Oct 2, 2023 16:41
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TinTower posted:Are you saying that the "pay the rapist" twist wasn't high cinema. It doesn't even make sense! The entire episode is spent being smug over how clever it is, and the theory ends up being not just an old "therapists? the rapists" joke but completely incoherent. The wife has a therapist, who she sees at a day's notice every time she sleeps with her husband and at no other times (?), but she doesn't want her husband to see she's paying for a therapist, so she contacts his work secretary and tells her to pay out of her husband's office (?), but communicates this instruction only through texting "PAY THERAPIST" and setting her husband's office as the billing address (?), but the work secretary is very elderly at almost 50 so her vision is failing (?), so she increases the size of the text on her phone screen until there are only six characters per line (?), and the text then wraps in a way completely different from how text wrapping normally works (?), and the secretary blindly obeys because "I don't know, maybe she's just really submissive or something." (???) And despite being Adam West Batman logic, that's his "cleverest" deduction in the whole series! His genius insight at the end is "I dunno, try looking wherever the missing person went last". Wow, we really needed a Sherlock to figure that one out. The theme of the show is that anyone can become a murderer, which you know is the theme of the show because Moffat has Stanley Tucci look toward the camera twice per episode and say "The theme of the show is that anyone can become a murderer". But the show works better as an argument against its own thesis because it relies so heavily on every single character at every single step making decisions so stupid and incomprehensible that no human would ever think of making them. For all Moffat has Tennant talk about how he's protecting his family, the only person he's protecting is the actual pedophile, who he refuses to turn in because... being exposed as a pedophile would be bad for his mental health? I went into it after watching series 10-11-12 of Doctor Who, so my feelings toward Moffat were actually pretty positive at the time, because of how good series 10 was and how bad Chibnall's run was. Inside Man was a good reminder of exactly why he'd worn out his welcome.
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Oct 2, 2023 18:11
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Steven "Mark Millar's understudy" Moffat
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Oct 2, 2023 18:26
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Dabir posted:Steven "Mark Millar's understudy" Moffat Honestly surprised they haven't actually worked together yet
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Oct 2, 2023 18:48
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Lottery of Babylon posted:But the show works better as an argument against its own thesis because it relies so heavily on every single character at every single step making decisions so stupid and incomprehensible that no human would ever think of making them. For all Moffat has Tennant talk about how he's protecting his family, the only person he's protecting is the actual pedophile, who he refuses to turn in because... being exposed as a pedophile would be bad for his mental health? Further to this: the whole plot begins because Tennant (the village vicar) confiscates his verger’s flash drive full of child porn and just randomly drops it into the bowl of random flash drives that every family has, so when his son’s maths tutor wants to give him some homework sheets, she picks it up and thinks the kid is a nonce. So instead of trying to do even the “it’s a member of the congregation and it’s dropped me into a legal and spiritual wasp’s nest” bullshit excuse, he kidnaps the tutor, and – deciding to take the blame himself instead of turning the verger in – downloads more of the stuff.  Seriously, what the gently caress, Moffat?
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Oct 2, 2023 18:50
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TinTower posted:Seriously, what the gently caress, Moffat? And here I thought his DW work was absolutely dire
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Oct 2, 2023 19:15
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Do what now It's this ridiculous, on the nose bit where a bunch of women pull out their phone cameras to publicly shame a sex pest dude on a train. ("I'm live steaming this." "Me too." "Me too." "Me too.") I get what he's going for but it's very cringey, almost completely unrelated to anything else in the story, and just sort of weird false empowerment stuff when it's coming from a guy whose got a fairly well documented history of sexism himself. There's also something a bit discordant about using a term that indicates a person's been affected by sexual assault. The meaning of the term as used in the scene isn't quite the same thing.
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Oct 2, 2023 19:23
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Wait, are you telling me that Moffat did a variant of the Arrested Development "analrapist" joke for a crucial plot point in a serious drama?
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Oct 3, 2023 10:58
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It wasn't even a crucial plot point iirc, it was just a little smug "aha" moment at the end of the first episode to show how clever his "Sherlock Holmes meets Hannibal Lecter but even smarter than both COMBINED" character was. Said character then spent the rest of the series figuring out another mystery that had, if possible, an even more bollocks solution.
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Oct 3, 2023 11:13
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TinTower posted:Further to this: the whole plot begins because Tennant (the village vicar) confiscates his verger’s flash drive full of child porn and just randomly drops it into the bowl of random flash drives that every family has, so when his son’s maths tutor wants to give him some homework sheets, she picks it up and thinks the kid is a nonce. He doesn't even confiscate it — the verger comes up to him and is like, "Vicar, please, I need you to hide my flash drive of porn in your office, my mum is looking for it and the only place she won't look is your office". And instead of going "what the gently caress" or "why don't you just toss it in a bush or the bell tower or something, she's not going to search every square inch of this planet that isn't my office," David Tennant goes, "Sure, I'll hide your flash drive of porn in my office for you, you scallywag." It's not even a spiritual wasp's nest, since it's not like he found out the verger was a pedophile in confessional or something. He just refuses to turn the verger in because... the verger has depression??? The setup would genuinely make more sense if it were Fight Club scenario where the verger never existed and David Tennant's character was the real pedophile. Warthur posted:Wait, are you telling me that Moffat did a variant of the Arrested Development "analrapist" joke for a crucial plot point in a serious drama? It's the "answer" to the case-of-the-episode for the first episode. It's not important to the main plot, and Stanley Tucci figures it out in like five minutes, but the reveal is slowly dragged out over the course of the episode across several scenes of Jolly Cannibal Watson saying, "But you genius, I'm not as clever as you, what's the answer?" and Stanley Tucci going "It's all very simple, you just need to think about it. I am very clever, and so is Steven Moffat, who wrote this extremely clever solution to this extremely clever puzzle." The core of the series is also a classic Moffat mystery box with no answer, since they never reveal why Stanley Tucci killed his wife, presumably because the show whose central thesis is "anyone can be a murderer in the right circumstances" couldn't think of any convincing circumstances for him to be a murderer.
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Oct 3, 2023 11:19
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The wife has a therapist, who she sees at a day's notice every time she sleeps with her husband and at no other times (?), but she doesn't want her husband to see she's paying for a therapist, so she contacts his work secretary and tells her to pay out of her husband's office (?), but communicates this instruction only through texting "PAY THERAPIST" and setting her husband's office as the billing address (?), but the work secretary is very elderly at almost 50 so her vision is failing (?), so she increases the size of the text on her phone screen until there are only six characters per line (?), and the text then wraps in a way completely different from how text wrapping normally works (?), and the secretary blindly obeys because "I don't know, maybe she's just really submissive or something." (???) And even if you accept that insane scenario, logically the situation would only happen once because, you know, after the first time the therapist would say “Hey, I haven't been paid” and the wife would realise something had gone wrong. And even if that didn't happen, it still doesn't explain why the husband decided to go to a convicted murderer for help solving 'the mystery of the mysterious money I get for no reason'. Lottery of Babylon posted:It's not even a spiritual wasp's nest, since it's not like he found out the verger was a pedophile in confessional or something. He just refuses to turn the verger in because... the verger has depression??? The setup would genuinely make more sense if it were Fight Club scenario where the verger never existed and David Tennant's character was the real pedophile. Also, while he's not willing to just turn the guy in, he is willing to try and trick the guy into making a confession to him while secretly recording him. Which just seems like a more convoluted and less ethical version of just turning the guy in.
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Oct 3, 2023 11:34
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Matinee posted:the whole "don't cremate me" thing is really weird looking back on it - it doesn't really go anywhere or factor into any characters' schemes or motivations, it just feels like a jarringly edgelord concept bunged in there for no reason, and really sticks out given Moffat's usual semi-fairytale tone. Its a concept Moffat loved so much that he reused it wholesale in his Dracula TV series.
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Oct 3, 2023 13:10
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PriorMarcus posted:Its a concept Moffat loved so much that he reused it wholesale in his Dracula TV series. Oh god, you’re absolutely right. I’d blanked most of that dreadful last episode out of my mind. I thought the first two were actually fairly decent but they just couldn’t resist jumping to “what if Dracula had tinder?”
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Oct 3, 2023 13:24
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PriorMarcus posted:Its a concept Moffat loved so much that he reused it wholesale in his Dracula TV series. Claes Bang was really good in that.
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Oct 3, 2023 13:25
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Lottery of Babylon posted:It's not even a spiritual wasp's nest, since it's not like he found out the verger was a pedophile in confessional or something. The tutor lady didn’t know that, mind you, so DT’s character could’ve easily gone for the confessional privilege excuse, but nah, everyone but Stanley Tucci in the show is a loving idiot. It’d make more sense if he did the “whoop de doop I’ll just google child porn” stuff half an episode later when he accidentally gets carbon monoxide poisoning (after also googling how to murder someone, ofc) but nope, he’s fully compos mentis.
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Oct 3, 2023 14:12
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Thanks thread, I hadn't thought it would be possible for me to dislike Moffat's TV work any more than I already do, but you guys showed me that I was wrong 
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Inside Man is the most contrived bullshit I have ever seen. Someone suggested out that the priest side of show would work if it was in Midsomer and they are right.
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