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That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Space Kablooey posted:

I would be grateful for a glossary section as well.

I also hope that a glossary gets added itt, it would be useful for many. In the meantime these might help for some things:


https://www.airgoons.com/w/Acronyms Common acronyms
https://www.airgoons.com/w/Brevity_Codes Commonly used radio brevity codes

Also on the mission briefs this will help make sense of some of the labels etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Joint_Military_Symbology

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Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.



Some signals traffic and regional intelligence from our friends at MI6.

The Falklands, or Malvinas, have long been used as a shipping port, a safe harbor, and a waystation for exploration and international shipping. They're about 300 miles east of the Patagonian coast, and have been inhabited by Europeans ever since the 1600s. They might have had settlements before that, likely Fuegians from Patagonia if anyone, but were not inhabited when European claims on them were asserted. The UK had visited it prior but laid its first claim in 1764. It reasserted it more forcefully in 1833, and ever since the Falklands has been inhabited by mostly European-descent Falkland Islanders, populations ranging from 500 to 5000 with ebbs and flows.

In addition, is has, or had, RAF Mount Pleasant, an airbase of the South Atlantic for the Royal Air Force.

Now, the PLAAF controls it, and PLAN uses Port Stanley as a base.

Goose Green is a small town that sits on an isthmus, connecting the main island of East Falklands to the uninhabited part known as Lafonia. This narrow isthmus is not only the only road and thoroughfare between these two major portions, but it also divides a small sound that is the ocean cut between them.

For as long as there has been shipping, the Choiseul Sound has been used as a safe anchoring point for cargo ships and military vessels waiting for more favorable winds, warmer weather, or for the storm to pass. For the past 400 years, this has not changed. This same sound is now a shelter for the PLAN mobility sealift fleet, waiting for their turn in the clogged up Port Stanley, unable to accept as many ships as are arriving from Africa. Thus, they sail to Choiseul Sound to wait for their turn.

MI6 is also passing along this whatsapp message from a Chinese sailor sent from a cellular network in the Falklands.


We've extracted the images in full resolution.



mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Bravo is high risk, but very high reward. Alpha is lower risk and likely an easier way to attrit enemy force through interdiction, but much less reward.

Given:

Intel posted:

We just were briefed that two PLAGF brigades have captured the recently abandoned Punta Arenas airbase.

If this intel is accurate, that means the People's Liberation Army (PLA) already controls land several miles north of Punta Arenas the city. So the city has either fallen or is effectively cut off with friendly army troops north of the city. Given the PLA is only attacking at 2:1 ratio (3:1 is the doctrinally sound ratio on even-odds terrain), its supply lines require strait-hopping, and the friendly mech forces can withdraw into terrain. Alpha ground forces can likely fend for themselves more effectively than the mech unit at Franco Bianco, given that the forces at Alpha already lost their key terrain of the urban terrain and airbase.

Rabbit Bravo looks pretty risky to aircraft (minimal line of sight cover, exposed to potential naval SAMs off the east coast), but if an enemy delay lets us get the mech forces out in a supported withdrawal, that could preserve a lot of forces. Despite Franco Bianco having an airfield, it's not urban terrain, so the defenders are along a line of hills backed by a bunch of fairly open lowland terrain against water. The local "town" has a population of like 600 people who work in petro-industry. The defenders can occupy hill lines south of the airport, but when the decision is made to withdraw, they're driving on low land (with some dunes and very small hills as cover), overseen by hills to the south and east, giving the attacker good line of sight for indirect fire (IDF) on the airbase and the egress highway. It would require the PLA to either advance or just use rocket artillery to target the chokepoint of ferry loading and unloading points. It's real bad for the defenders at Franco Bianco if they do not hold out or do not have assistance with keeping PLA artillery at bay while they flee the area! The saving grace is that, again, the intel indicates the PLA is attacking with mech forces through a series of hills while only at a 2:1 ratio, which is doctrinally unsound.

If the call is for Rabbit, Rabbit Bravo stands to gain us more than Rabbit Alpha. It assumes a lot of risk to air forces in order to try to preserve critical ground force capability. The sole reasons the air forces exist is to support ground operations.

BONUS RECOMMENDATION (which no one asked for).

Brazil is in the fight and Brazil famously (for people concerned about the financial threat of South American arms development) began indigenous designs of cruise missiles and rocket artillery launchers back in the 90s and early 2000s. Depending on Naval ships alone to secure the Strait of Magellan is folly, and China has some ships that could be a real serious SAM threat for our air forces. Someone should get coastal defense cruise missiles (CDCM) and long-range rockets deployed down to the Strait of Magellan where they can hold the ships large enough to carry serious SAMs at serious risk of cruise missile attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astros_II [in DCS, pretty sure this means the Silkworm, as it's pretty limited in what anti-ship missile launchers it simulates. Don't think there's a ground-launched Harpoon asset, though you could use a stationary boat with some kind of anti-ship missile as a stand-in, if you didn't let it move]

The only saving grace for anyone trying to withdraw from Franco Bianco is that a lot of that lowland is rolling small hills and dunes that give a modicum of defense against massed artillery and direct fire lines of sight.


Out of Character: Attacking island-hopping ships and stuff along the fjords probably cooler than attacking stuff on a highway.

Zephirum
Jan 7, 2011

Lipstick Apathy

Panther 2 AAR
2-1: zeph1rum
2-2: Yooper

Our task was to provide BARCAP for Ascot. And we did! No PLANAF fighters acted frisky so we did our circuits without issue. Eventually we hit our bingo levels and flew back to El Calafete.
Job well done.

Snapshot
Oct 22, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat
Ascot 1 - Op. Guinea Pig after action report:

A/C status
Ascot1-1, systems fault, aborted, A/C down while maintenance diagnoses fault. Time to resolution should be ok for next mission.
Ascot1-2, 1-3, no concerns.



Ascot was to proceed to a specified drop point in the ocean, and deliver SBS with cargo to the waiting submarine before turning back to pick up parts. Pre drop, Ascot 1-1 had a malfunction requiring immediate mission abort and RTB. Due to effective planning, the SBS mission can proceed with 1/2 cargo modules delivered. Mission control passed to Breaky in Ascot 1-2, and proceeded without issue. Since all Hercules were carrying only minimum fuel reserves, excess capacity was available to haul the payload slated for Ascot 1-1. There were no concerns with cruise or landing in IMC.



Communication with ground stations was congested, but effective even with multiple airports on the same frequency. Also, Ascot 1 flight worked out some kinks with the autopilot modes, transitions, and cut out conditions. This assisted navigation, with all planes within visual range when IFR conditions lifted, with 0.7 nm spacing. The drop precision was ok, with AP issues leading to reversion to manual flight, and visual drop. As mentioned, IMC approach procedures were good, with landings at El Calafate and Puerto Santa Cruz performed by the numbers.



Due to the manual drop, it was close enough to be retrieved, but could have been closer; most practice was done to master dropping at parameters on autopilot.
Communication of package status was hindered by not having a concise summary of codes in a handy location. AP glitches and unfamiliarity caused manual flight until the system could be engaged again. At points, the package frequency was overloaded, leading to messages being delayed until a gap in traffic could be found.



Going forward, the ABM team should split separate areas of responsibility onto different frequencies at their discretion. Due to Hercules AP concerns, a second waypoint shall be placed >2NM past any precision drops along the same flight path. Radios should be preprogrammed with UHF channels to allow quick switching as they are controlled from the FMC, and require focus inside the cockpit for several seconds to switch frequencies. Frequency transitions should be performed while autopilot can be engaged to avoid flight path deviations. Flight time was also not as planned, due to a slower speed than used in the planning; recommended speeds are approximately 170 KIAS in climb phases, and 230 KIAS in cruise, unless escorts are assigned. Cruise with escorts should be approximately 260 KIAS. Finally, flight control transfer methods should be disabled until investigation of the systems fault on Ascot 1-1 has been concluded.



Screenshots thanks to: Arbitrary, Muhlump, Big Soda and Radintorov

Edit: For next mission, Rabbit Bravo, let's keep the pressure off that mech division.

Snapshot fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Oct 1, 2023

BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009


Vahakyla posted:



FLIGHT BRIEFING

ASCOT 1
C-130 x4


OVERALL TASK:

Drop Royal Navy SBS team and their floating pallet to the Atlantic.



Waypoint 1: the edge of seaboard. Hit this waypoint at 5000 feet of altitude. Inform Air Battle Management "OPEN BAR"

Waypoint 2: Approach this waypoint at 200 feet of altitude, traveling no more than 150kn, no later than 2 miles out. The passengers should exit precisely at the waypoint, and thus the drop should be initiated .2 miles away from the waypoint itself. Precision here is absolute key. If drop succesfull, call "IRISH GOODBYE". If unsuccesful, call "MOTHER IN LAW".

Waypoint 3: pass this waypoint heading 069 degrees, flying at 1500 feet. Initiate a gradual descent, runway treshold is at 10 miles, 069 heading, Runway 07, Santa Cruz Airport (IATA: RZA, ICAO: SAWU).

Waypoint 4: Runway treshold, 364ft MSL. Taxi to the end of the runway to the end concrete, w where trucks drive to you as you stop and will load you hot. Then turn around, and depart. This is a very narrow runway, so plan ahead stopping in intervals or you will not fit. You will not be able to pass each other. After departure, call "GUINEA PIG ROAST".

Waypoint 5: El Calafate. Mission Complete.

Total Flight Time: 1h10m



Questions?



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FLIGHT BRIEFING

Venom 1
F-16C b50
x2


2x AIM-9L, 4x AIM-120B per aircraft. Belly tank.
Do not jettison unless emergency.

Venom 1 will conduct escort, following the same waypoints as Ascot 1.
Same waypoint map, but all waypoints are at 20,000 feet.

Venom 1 was completely successful in all objectives, though admittedly, we didn't really have to do much aside from fly near Ascot and look pretty. Since BARCAP didn't gently caress up, we had plenty of opportunity to look real loving pretty.


https://i.imgur.com/HjwkEy1.mp4

There were some adjustments that had to be made to our flight path since the clouds were so thick. Namely, the clouds were so thick that we really didn't care to go below 15000.

What went well:
  • My flight as a whole did a great job keeping formation both on each other and with Ascot.
  • The new air battle managers were very quick to respond to my calls.
  • The Panthers intimidated the enemy sufficiently that we didn't really have to do anything but admire the view.
  • The last-minute decision to add wing tanks was an excellent one, single centerline would not have left sufficient margin if a scrap did occur.

What went less than well:
  • At one point during the flight datalink coverage was lacking, and I called for a declare ("ABM, is this guy hostile?") using Bullseye coordinates. The ABM misunderstood and looked for my callout in BRAA relative to me. While it was quickly cleared up, it did take some time to sort.
  • When entering the clouds during landing, we were flying in too close a formation. At one point, Venom 1-2 conducted a maneuver that forced me into evasive to avoid a collision. Later review determined that we passed within 150 ft of each other. https://i.imgur.com/kExBe6m.mp4
  • Venom 1-3 was running the majority of the flight with airbrakes out. This caused undue fuel expenditure and difficulty with formation keeping.
  • Landing was somewhat of a clusterfuck, as there was a bit of a communication breakdown there. While I will admit there were some missed directions from the ATC within my flight, I did need to conduct some approach resolution on my own to conduct a safe landing as a result of misdirections from the ATC (the most "expedited" descent you're getting out of me in IMC is 10-15 degrees nose down in my expensive jet).

What can improve:
  • During portions of the flight, we noticed our datalink dropping off for extended periods. This made it a little challenging to know where Ascot was during portions of the flight where they were below cloud cover (we chose to stay above clouds for fuel economy). Petitioning command to shore up coverage in the AOO, as if the PLA discovers this gap in radar/DL coverage, they might exploit it to slip aircraft in undetected.
  • I would have preferred the ILS side of the runway in those conditions. While I recognize that we opted not to use it due the wind forcing wild corrections to stay on target, it would have been useful to have as a reference point before the runway was in sight.
  • The weather. Seriously, that super secret commando team better be setting up some of those weather controlling lasers I keep reading about on the internet.


For the upcoming operation, I am going to vote as follows:

Rabbit: With blues in the line of fire, we must assist if able on principle alone. The SAMs will make themselves known in time.
Alpha/Bravo: On this point I am torn: the airbase is currently unusable so the question becomes can it be made usable either by ourselves or the enemy? If we can render it operable, then my vote becomes Alpha. If we cannot, then we should bomb/sabotage it so the enemy cannot use it and focus on Bravo.

BurntCornMuffin fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Oct 1, 2023

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Negostrike posted:

Man what the hell, I wouldn't mind being the commander if no one else is interested. I believe we should deny the invaders Punta Arenas, being a relatively major-ish city and I think it'd be a pain in the rear end to take it back. Alpha it is.

Also, I vote Rabbit. Let's not let them get too comfortable here.




You are it for now! You may ask about things, direct the movement, argue with me, or even change priorities. Don't artificially paint yourself into corners or imagined constraints, if that makes sense. Also, do not be shy about not knowing something. Ask how something is done, or perhaps when you need to know if, for example, the A-4 can do this or that, you ask the thread and the A-4 nerds will answer. You may choose to have thread readers give you their opinions, but final decision will be made by you.

If you think at some point it is too much or taking your time, or you wish to opt out, feel free to say so and we'll assign someone else. Big decisions and questions should be done in the forums post here, but you can also ask about little things in the discord and talk about more airplane specific things. We will soon provide you with certain map planning tools and apps.

From this point on, you are General Carlos, Peruvian Air Force, Supreme Commander SCAD.





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Mederlock posted:

I would be open to trying out the ground* commander role, provided I'd still be allowed to fly in the actual DCS missions. :sweatdrop:

I do like the idea of having people weigh in with their takes and reasoning for choices relating to operation tempo and course of action for the big overarching decisions. Perhaps we could leave the supreme commander role to thread votes and seconded suggestions?

E: re-read the OP and re-wrote my answer


So be it! You are now Brigadier General Humberto of Argentine Army, Ejército Argentino, EA.
This shall be a separate persona from your pilot self, no worries.
You can absolutely still operate by having opinions in the thread, but I will not count an official tally of votes to make a decision on your behalf.

You will soon get the unit previews of Argentine side, but here's a refresher on your bread and butter on the Chilean Army side. You command the combined armies.
Chilean Army Preview in this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042524#post534825974

What does this mean? Dunno yet! Improvise and suggest. For now, you should think about how do you want these two brigades on these two AOs to prepare, and what road would you like to supply them from? You will, before the IRL gameday of 14 october, get a far more precise view of the ground. In addition, you will get the ability to state where you would like to place Air Defence Assets on the ground.

You may write lore and if it involves major plot pieces, just DM me and I can let you know if we go there or not and if we can introduce something to the story or the game.

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We have a big role available for someone to command the combined armada as the naval commander, so a lurker, please stand up and volunteer!

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Space Kablooey posted:

Rabbit alpha. Denying airbases is critical at any point, even more so when the enemy isn't dug in.


BurntCornMuffin posted:


Alpha/Bravo: On this point I am torn: the airbase is currently unusable so the question becomes can it be made usable either by ourselves or the enemy? If we can render it operable, then my vote becomes Alpha. If we cannot, then we should bomb/sabotage it so the enemy cannot use it and focus on Bravo.


The Punta Arenas airbase is currently within range of not only land fires from both sides, but basically in plinking range of MBTs. As it stands, the airbase is out of action. The runways where blocked with wrecks before the retreat, and even if the PLAGF or PLAN Coastal Engineers are allowed a respite to fix it, it's going to be insanely dangerous to even attempt air operations from by either side. The airbase as such is currently unuseable by fixed wing airplanes, and will be until a major push to one direction or the other.




mlmp08 posted:

Bravo is high risk, but very high reward. Alpha is lower risk and likely an easier way to attrit enemy force through interdiction, but much less reward.

Given:

If this intel is accurate, that means the People's Liberation Army (PLA) already controls land several miles north of Punta Arenas the city. So the city has either fallen or is effectively cut off with friendly army troops north of the city. Given the PLA is only attacking at 2:1 ratio (3:1 is the doctrinally sound ratio on even-odds terrain), its supply lines require strait-hopping, and the friendly mech forces can withdraw into terrain. Alpha ground forces can likely fend for themselves more effectively than the mech unit at Franco Bianco, given that the forces at Alpha already lost their key terrain of the urban terrain and airbase.



BONUS RECOMMENDATION (which no one asked for).

Brazil is in the fight and Brazil famously (for people concerned about the financial threat of South American arms development) began indigenous designs of cruise missiles and rocket artillery launchers back in the 90s and early 2000s. Depending on Naval ships alone to secure the Strait of Magellan is folly, and China has some ships that could be a real serious SAM threat for our air forces. Someone should get coastal defense cruise missiles (CDCM) and long-range rockets deployed down to the Strait of Magellan where they can hold the ships large enough to carry serious SAMs at serious risk of cruise missile attack.




Correct, PLA controls the city of Punta Arenas. The frontline is a few miles north of the airport now, near Terminal Cabo Negro. There are very few roads here, Highway 9 is the principal supply road.
The island hopping logistics are handled by ferries and helicopters, and there's a few bigger ships in there. There are possibly only one or two frigates in the Strait of Magellan, but we can soon expect more.
The strait can accomodate anything up to a supercarrier, however.


Anti-shipping missiles are a possibility. For those, I will require a broad strokes plan, and they will have to be flown in by cargo aircraft from Brazil in MSFS2020. Someone has to step up to do that.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
:frogsiren:

A fighting retreat across the narrowest point of the Strait of Magellan is definitely an option, near Puerto Progreso.
If that is to happen, we need a plan from the commander of the armies in how that could be achieved with a mechanized brigade, or parts of it, and in what kind of timeline. If no plan is given, and the AO is also not prioritized, the resolution will be the destruction and or surrender of the Argentinian Mech Brigade there.

Note the alarmingly low amount of roads here, too.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Oct 1, 2023

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
Rabbit Bravo seems like the way to go. The Chinese offensive on Punta Arenas seems completely untenable without first finishing off the Argentinian brigade at Franco Bianco. While encirclement of that damaged brigade would be the worst case scenario, the PLAGF would first need to push through the Chilean brigade and also hold the strait, all while being supplied by sea. This will be difficult to sustain, and the exposed ferries and SAMs will be good targets for recently resupplied SU-25s. Keeping the Argentinian brigade in the fight is also important politically - allowing any one nation to bear the brunt of the fighting is going to risk their participation in the overall coalition.

Also, I'd be happy to volunteer for a role but my gaming laptop burned out the video card so I'm just on a MacBook for now.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Kaal posted:


Also, I'd be happy to volunteer for a role but my gaming laptop burned out the video card so I'm just on a MacBook for now.

If you choose to be the naval commander, you are basically on Google Maps or one of the web-based planning maps directing where you want the three fleets and what they need to prioritize. That's discord-forums-web based gameplay.

During gameday you can still spectate on Discord, and for example hover over the shoulder of your A-4 pilots and tell them how they don't fly good enough. Your presence on gameday is however not required.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Vahakyla posted:

If you choose to be the naval commander, you are basically on Google Maps or one of the web-based planning maps directing where you want the three fleets and what they need to prioritize. That's discord-forums-web based gameplay.

During gameday you can still spectate on Discord, and for example hover over the shoulder of your A-4 pilots and tell them how they don't fly good enough. Your presence on gameday is however not required.

In that case, I'd be happy to put on my commander's sombrero! «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!« Go down rather than surrender the flag - the Argentinian Navy motto

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Kaal posted:

In that case, I'd be happy to put on my commander's sombrero! «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!« Go down rather than surrender the flag - the Argentinian Navy motto

Welcome Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio, Argentina's first female admiral and the supreme commander of South American Combined Armada that comprises of the Chilean, Argentinian, and Brazilian Navies.
Due to the weight of the conflict being on the eastern seaboard, the Armada de la República Argentina retains the prerogative for overall naval command.







The overall situation right now, on 12th of February, 2010.

The picture is huge, so zoom in. You will also get better maps soon.






The Chilean Fleet is in the archipelago between grids WJ and WH, at coordinates:
South 51 31, West 74 29

This archipelago offers excellent protection from enemy submarines, radar surveillance, and overall detection.

It's this:


Because the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, the Argentinian Colossus-class carrier was stuck on this side, it is now part of the Chilean fleet. It carries an Air Wing, the 3rd Fighter Bomber Squadron. (Callsign Ford) Right now it is 21x A-4 Skyhawk.
This fleet has most of the large surface combatants of the Chilean Navy, and currently it has 1x submarine, the CNS O'Higgins, a Scorpene-class attack submarine.

The carrier itself, the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, is nothing to scoff at. It might be ancient, made originally in WW2, and relatively small, but the ability to bring 21 skyhawks somewhere is a capability that can still hit hard. It only has one catapult and the deck is narrow, so it does not sortie planes very fast, and recovery takes time, too. In addition, it has a few helicopters, and an amphibious assault reinforced-size company of Argentine Marines-


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Your second tool is the Argentinian Fleet.
Currently getting serviced at San Julian port, at grid EF. It has most of the Argentinian large surface combatants, and once again 1x submarine, the ARA San Juan, S-42.
This fleet's capital ship is the ARA La Argentina, an Almirante Brown Class destroyer.





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Your third stick, the Brazilian Fleet.

Its capital ship is your other carrier, NAeL Minas Gerais, another Colossus-class carrier.
It has the airwing, VF-1: A-4 Skyhawk ( callsign Dodge). The MInair Gerais also carries 21 Skyhawks, a few helicopters, and a Brazlian Marine Infantry company of a reinforced size.

For your awareness in what the A-4 does in real life and DCS, here's the effort post by Steak on the A-4 in this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=534865345


The Brazilian fleet is currently rounding the elbow at Cabo Blanco, near grids KN and LN. It is will need some resupply before it is fully combat capable. This fleet has its own attack submarine, the Tupi-class submarine Tikuna, its name being a tribute to the South American indigenous tribe Tikuna who inhabit the western Amazonas.




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Besides this, you have two major supply convoys with oilers and refit ships, on both sides of the continent.


The harbor situation isn't great because due to the loss of Punta Arenas and Ushuia and Port Williams, there is no western side port for you to use currently.
On the eastern side, you have ports at Rio Gallegos, San Julian, and Santa Cruz. They are deep, but not efficient in taking care of this many ships at the same time.


You also have two currently operational P-3 Orions from the Argentine Navy for surveillance.












THE REDFOR SITUATION:



PLAN has the Falklands, and the ports in Rio Grande, Puerto Williams, Ushuia, to use for their sealift. They have three fleets of unknown size placed on intervals from the Falklands to the southern pole.
PLAN submarines operate around some of these waters.



ALLIED SITUATION:

The Royal Navy, Royal Australian Navy, and the United States Navy all currently operate an unknown amount of submarines here. While they might require some assistance in ocean refit for example at some point, they however are extremely unlikely to tell us about their operations or locations.





Consider the range of your A-4 Skyhawks from the locations of the carriers to the combat area. Consider if you wish to sail south at full speed with the Brazilian Fleet or if you wish to stop to refit it, and give two areas to perform P-3 surveillance in this thread to receive intel from those areas. Consider if you wish to send out your submarines, or retain them in fleet defence. Consider the fleet speeds, about 25 knots, in what you do.

Hell, consider if you want to move some of your A-4s to ground bases?

These should get you started. Good luck!

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Oct 1, 2023

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
For Mederlock, the Army Commander at Beunos Aires Army General Staff,

here is the MTOE for the Argentine Army.






The Brigade you have in the AO near Franco Bianco is the 11th Mechanized Brigade "Rio Gallegos".








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For the Chilean Army you currently have this as the MTOE:



The Brigade stuck there is the 4th Armored Brigade.





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You have multiple divisions at your disposal, as you can see. Currently they are being mobilized and re-organized and it will take a while to call up reservists. The mobilization started already weeks ago, but it's going at the speed of molasses. The first fully functional division you can expect to the south is the 5th Division of Punta Arenas from Chilean Army, and the 3rd Army Division of Bahia Blanca from the Argentine Army. We estimate this to be around 16-17th February 2010.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Oct 1, 2023

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Kaal posted:

In that case, I'd be happy to put on my commander's sombrero! «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!« Go down rather than surrender the flag - the Argentinian Navy motto

Come join the Airgoons Discord and join the Campaign chat there so we can all coordinate and discuss our strategy! :sun:

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I do prefer if big decisions and ruminations are here to make it observable by lurkers and those who just prefer to stay on the forums.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


In that case I will change my vote to Rabbit Bravo

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Lord Stimperor posted:

January 1. Happy New Year. Man, you thought it was poo poo then. That turned out to be wishful thinking, but what were you supposed to do? Buy a bunch of bitcoin, take one kid under each arm, and hike up to Santiago? You wish you'd done that.


Somehow, on the very first morning of 2010, the kids let you sleep until 11am. You can't remember that happeningat any time in the past. You had a few glasses of wine too many with the neighbours. The kids would be staying at their grandparents today, that'd give you some time to cure the hangover and get the place in order again. When you finally stumble down in the kitchen, Rosa is still out. But she must have briefly popped in to bring you the paper. You make a note to thank her for taking care of you this morning. Maybe pick some flowers. Or get some pie going, something nice for when comes back. Yeah, that sounds about right.

The news in the paper isn't good. Not good at all. Yesterday you had briefly hoped that the coming year might become better. Now you wonder how much worse it can get. St. Helena was how far away, one thousand miles, two thousand maybe? They wouldn't want to come here, would they? What for? Cod and sheep?

You make a shopping list. Top up on butter and eggs, flour. You know that there'll be a crisis coming, so throw in some extra toilet paper. Should be everyone's last concern but whenever things get rough, toilet paper runs out first. Most people here could stand to lose a couple of pounds, but they don't want to walk around with a dirty bum. It makes sense, in a way.

You make your way to the shop. You're on autopilot. That autopilot disconnects as soon as you pass through the automatic doors of the small grocery shop. The line goes all the way from the register, along the frezzer, through one of the three small aisles, towards nearly the shop. Can't squeeze by anyone. Then again, what for? Most of the good stuff seems gone anyway. poo poo. Happy New Year, motherfucker.



This was, as always, excellent.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Amazing quality as always! Looking forwards to this.

As an observer in the thread but not a 'player' is it okay to vote or prefer to leave that to the folks engaged in things?

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I want everyone, including your mother and her five cats, to weigh in!

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
errorpost

But check out these planes.




Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Oct 1, 2023

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
errorpost


EDIT: But check out these planes?


Uzi 7 in formation over Rio Gallegos.

Bentai
Jul 8, 2004


NERF THIS!


What kind of planes would be needed for this in MSFS, and would it require any sort of hot dogging, or just 500ft AGL + autopilot?

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Speaking for the Chilean SU25s, we should provide CAS for ground troops that desperately need it. On the map the terra de Fuego guys might look in a tricky situation. But dislodging a determined defender is not easy, especially when there is a constant threat of air power. If the line holds, we can exert strong control over the coastal regions and make life for PLAN really really hard.


This is a vote for Rabbit BRAVO.

Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Oct 2, 2023

Hippocrass
Aug 18, 2015

That third panel of the first comic just makes it. It's still funny if you remove it, but that panel included just makes it top tier.

Vahakyla posted:

I want everyone, including your mother and her five cats, to weigh in!

My 6 cats and I vote Rabbit Bravo
Holding and taking ground will be less complicated than crossing a strait and dislodging defenders.
It's still early, we'll have time for desperate heroics later.

BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009


Bentai posted:

What kind of planes would be needed for this in MSFS, and would it require any sort of hot dogging, or just 500ft AGL + autopilot?

We fly DCS. The minimum you need to participate is the South Atlantic map, then grab the free and excellent Hercules, A4E, and SRS. You should also join our discord: https://discord.gg/airgoons

As far as landings go, that really depends on the aircraft you favor and weather conditions, but if you can land a small airplane on MSFS, you're a good chunk of the way there.

Snapshot
Oct 22, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat

BurntCornMuffin posted:

We fly DCS. The minimum you need to participate is the South Atlantic map, then grab the free and excellent Hercules, A4E, and SRS. You should also join our discord: https://discord.gg/airgoons

As far as landings go, that really depends on the aircraft you favor and weather conditions, but if you can land a small airplane on MSFS, you're a good chunk of the way there.

Burnt, vaha is asking for msfs people to deliver anti shipping missile batteries from Brazil.

Bentai, join the airgoons discord and ask vaha there, you’ll get a quicker answer.

Steak
Dec 9, 2005

Pillbug
Arrived at El Calafate late as the special operation was already underway. But I was able to jump aboard a C-130 just before it started rolling and snapped some pics with my new HTC Evo 4G. Was finally able to finally find a usb port at base down here. Had to ask the IT guy how to get the pics off of it.

DCIM\

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Snapshot posted:

Burnt, vaha is asking for msfs people to deliver anti shipping missile batteries from Brazil.

Bentai, join the airgoons discord and ask vaha there, you’ll get a quicker answer.

Lmao I asked him there to posit his question here so we can all theorycraft.

Anyway, Negostrike, would you want anti ship missiles from Brazil via plane?

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Vahakyla posted:

Lmao I asked him there to posit his question here so we can all theorycraft.

Anyway, Negostrike, would you want anti ship missiles from Brazil via plane?

Yeah let's bring them over. I believe a Hercules from SBCO to one of our airfields can do the job.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Negostrike posted:

Yeah let's bring them over. I believe a Hercules from SBCO to one of our airfields can do the job.

They likely won’t fit into a C-130.

Also we’re gonna need a manifest, and a also a delivery airport.

BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009


Snapshot posted:

Burnt, vaha is asking for msfs people to deliver anti shipping missile batteries from Brazil.

Bentai, join the airgoons discord and ask vaha there, you’ll get a quicker answer.

Oh lmao, missed that. My bad

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Hippocrass posted:

My 6 cats and I vote Rabbit Bravo
Holding and taking ground will be less complicated than crossing a strait and dislodging defenders.
It's still early, we'll have time for desperate heroics later.

I like this plan because it implies you're intending desperate heroics later, heh.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Vahakyla posted:

I like this plan because it implies you're intending desperate heroics later, heh.

The desperate heroics come when the South American countries and the PRC come to an agreement, and then the West becomes overly emotional about it.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
While out on a training and familiarization flight, popped a master caution that necessitated either landing the aircraft rapidly or ejecting. Given that I was still 50nm from the nearest airfield and going to lose the aircraft before I could fly that far, I made do with the nearest thing resembling an airfield while my wingman made not of my position, called it in, and went home.

The good news is that there are a lot of very straight and surprisingly well kept roads out here.






With emergency poweroff complete and the radios now dead, at least I happened to land with the sun at my back so I can sit in the shade, just chilling at magnetic bearing 84 degrees for ~48 nautical miles from Natales when I lost LOS to the TACAN...


I look forward to my dignified exit.


But at least on a plus side, these roads are rather forgiving for emergency flight ops and might be useful for road base ops in a pinch.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015




Supremo Comandante SCAD
General del Aire Carlos - Fuerza Aerea de Peru



Buenos dias. In order to have an edge against our invasores, the Brazilian Army offered one of their Astros-II batteries to support us in our defense of our continent.


Astros II doing its thing

More precisely, they will send:
6 AV-LMU launchers
2 AV-RMD ammunition supply vehicles
1 AV-VCC command vehicle
1 AV-UCF fire control vehicle
1 AV-VBA maintenance vehicle
1 AV-CBO radar vehicle

That's the Brazilian Army's 3rd Rocket Launcher Battery based in Cruz Alta, in the country's south, the closest to our theater of operations. They'll be embarking on their Navy's landing ship NDCC Almirante Saboia at Rio Grande harbor and we shall be receiving them in Rio Gallegos for deployment.


NDCC Almirante Saboia (formerly RFA Sir Bedivere)


Ship's route

To ensure the shipment's safety against possible hostile submarines, we should deploy some submarines and a FAB P-3 Orion in the vicinity of the ship's destination.


That's all for now. Feedback is very welcome.

Negostrike fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Oct 2, 2023

Lumme
Mar 2, 2013
I'll cast my vote on Rabbit Bravo, as while we do not know the enemy air defences, waiting is just going to let them set up more, and potentially cost us ground troops. And I feel the units at Bravo require our support more in their defence, as currently they are in a very useful position to tie up forces on that side. They also act as an already excisting bridgehead for any future ground actions there, but reinforcing them, or if needed, pulling them back over the strait, would be risky and a logistics mess, so keeping them alive over there should be prioritized.

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


Rabbit BRAVO



This is just a section of the Strait of Magellan and it is nasty. You have currents of 5-8 knots, swelling tides, tons of rocks, reefs, nasty weather, and a lack of cover for any invasion forces. If we abandon Tierra del Fuego we have a very difficult to invade island that can be an unsinkable aircraft carrier for the PLANAF. By supporting those forces we can lock up a sizable portion of the PLA Navy as well as use that as an opportunity to interdict them. We've seen how far they have to travel by air to reach us, and that is a huge benefit.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Early morning, Hunter Army Airfield


Two pilots, and a handful of crew pile into the plane. Before they get on, a man in khaki slacks stops them at the door, holding out a pouch. They drop their us flag, unit, and other identifying patches in and he wishes them well. He watches as they start their engines, roll out and and turn south.

Just gonna fly some lil sigint missions and maybe soak up some intel around the battlespace.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Theres something in the name also for Rabbit BRAVO. Something something land of fire hearts of iron someone come up with something clever

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Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Bravo means mad in Portuguese

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