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Weekly main mission scheduled at 2000hrs Universal Time on Saturdays. The time and place means that these air forces lack many modern airplanes, and are limited in their weapon selection, with some exceptions such as the Chilean vipers. Vahakyla posted:Quick update for those who think following the thread can be overwhelming. So wots all this then? DCS World is a flight sim with modules, individually purchased planes that simulate various helicopters and fixed wing aircraft of mostly the modern era. The game includes non-flyable AI assets, and tons of ground units of all kinds. Game requires a lot of patience, as these airplanes are started manually with each system modeled, and the nerds that fly them click the buttons in the cockpit to achieve what they need to do. The sim is good enough to be used by real air forces for training for planes, such as the US Air National Guard for the A-10, and the French Air Force for the Mirage 2000. Our players will talk on the radio channels with air traffic control and air battle management, and they will use different channels to communicate with their wingmen. Each flight will have its own objectives as part of the package, and the flight leads will write up their plan before game day, and after the game, their after action report. Each days’ game will probably last about 1.5 hours to 2 hours. We’ll stream it both from the perspective of a pilot, and from the air battle manager station’s radar screen. Does it sound complex? Oh gently caress yeah, it is! But it’s a lot of fun. We hope to attract the interest of non-plane goons and are more than happy to explain terms and describe what we do. Don’t hesitate to ask questions, and we look forward to sharing nerdery in this thread or the Discord. Vahakyla posted:And to give perspective to, let's say Ace Combat, I'd like to show what kind of simpits some of us fly with. That Works posted:I also hope that a glossary gets added itt, it would be useful for many. In the meantime these might help for some things: —------------------------------ Alright, so let’s dive into the set up:  FIRST IRL GAMEDAY:14 October 2023, at 2000 UTC South America, in DCS South Atlantic Map The date in game: 20th March 2010, 0600hrs when the game kicks off. Background:   CURRENT COMMAND:  The Trans-Caucasus conflict of 2008 that saw a Georgian border dispute that initially appeared to be swiftly resolved with judicious use of Western Airpower left lingering embers in the region. It reignited in late 2008. During the preceding Georgian conflict, China had used the west’s distraction as an opportunity to build up forces and then promptly invaded Taiwan. Taipei’s fall took most observers by surprise and left ripple effects in chip production felt around the rest of the world. Shortly afterwards, Chinese forces seized Hanoi, rolling through Vietnam and conquering Cambodia and Laos at the same time. President Al Gore, the democrat who defeated one-term Bush, hesitated at the crucial moment. All that the United States managed was a blustered response that not only emboldened China, but also ignited a renewed interest in Russian imperial aspirations. Fearing the use of nuclear weapons, NATO sat still, its brain paralyzed, unable to choose a common path. Most Eastern NATO states mobilized in anticipation, but states like Germany and the United Kingdom did not. The European Union was similarly caught by surprise as President Medvedev invaded Ukraine and Georgia simultaneously in early 2009. Kyiv fell in short order and Tbilisi was soon in tow. NATO’s inaction was finally solved when Russian Forces invaded Lithuania through Belarus in March 2009. This acceleration in the conflict did not only surprise NATO, but Russia itself. The Kremlin’s inability to control rogue elements in the Armed Forces and its decision to offload military duties to the Wagner PMC had created a situation where several rogue generals were able to force Russian decisionmakers to a conflict far beyond their initial intentions. Creating monsters unrestrainable by their leashes had come back to bite them one last time and in an attempt to save face, the Russian government was forced to back them. On 15th March 2009, air raid sirens were heard around the world as it held its collective breath. At SHAPE, Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, NATO’s Article 5 was invoked. This was it, nuclear devastation would soon follow as the dreaded situation had now at last come to the unwanted climax: NATO had collectively declared war on Russia and another World War was at hand. As world leaders cowered under their desks in anticipation of the hellfire, a young US Air Force pilot waiting for the President to board the doomsday plane E-4B managed to connect the staircase just in time for President Gore to step out of his motorcade. “Not to worry ladies and gentlemen, this war will be solved quickly. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust in one late afternoon!” the President muttered to the Secretary of Defense, unaware of the listeners. As the plane took off to its relative safety and clocks ticked past the world’s slowest seconds, most people slowly started to crawl out of shelters and ditches. While still holding onto their loved ones, their gazes were filled with disbelief. No missiles were flying. No doomsday device was on their way and not a single city had been sent to oblivion. Against all odds and predictions, cooler heads prevailed. While there were several close calls with unclear alarm systems, nuclear missileer officers from several countries refused to believe alerts and waited for clearer commands. It saved the world. At least for now. As Russia and China kept pushing into an ever-increasing number of their neighbors, the United States and its allies, some with more planning, others with less, initiated several counter-offensives. NATO forces somewhat forcibly positioned themselves in Finland and Sweden, Egypt, Morocco, and other countries they saw as advantageous for themselves. Australia took upon itself to create a buffer zone by forcing its northern neighbors to cooperate. As self-defense to this, China and Russia formed an alliance to protect their interests, with mutual understanding that they’d each secure their own buffer zones from their immediate neighbors to protect against possible NATO attacks. The war raged on around the world, with the US, Australian, and South Korean forces attacking North Korea in hopes of deterring China. In only a few months it was apparent the plan had been too bold as the tide of the battle reversed. They were unable to hold the DPRK north of the Demilitarized Zone. South Korea’s capital fell, and casualties mounted as allied troops fought in every city and suburb. They manage to create a defensive line roughly at the 36th Parallel, holding onto Sejon. A plan “Fortress Korea” was implemented, with more troops flowing in from Singapore and Indonesia. In addition, Japan agreed to provide part of its Army to the Korean Peninsula. This, and other setbacks slowly ceded ground. Most of the Western forces were in central Europe, a clear EU and NATO focus point, fighting on the European Theater of Operations. Egypt and Israel, as tenuous allies, waged their own conflict against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which had swiftly joined the Pan-Asian federation. Brazil, Argentina, and Peru, soon followed by Chile, started the Latin American Lend Lease. These South American nations mobilized their industries to provide NATO, Europe, and Oceanic nations with food, fuel, consumable medical and logistics items. It soon took its toll, with inflation setting in and the number of people in food assistance lines climbing from Buenos Aires to Lima. The countries began buckling under the pressure, but their leaders wished to continue to provide significant aid globally to avoid the need of troop deployment. Regardless, food must be bought by the average family, and hunger and the ever-falling number of consumer goods caused social turmoil and riots. Each South American country lacked expeditionary capability, and as most are aware, Argentina’s last attempt at amphibious operations and fleet action did not bring the desired success. Peru elects its first female President, Lucia Aguila Gutierrez, a member of Free Peru, and a former Air Force Pilot who institutes universal mobilization for all age groups. Chile purchases a large number of trainer aircraft from Venezuela and Uruguay, and in coordination with its neighbors, begins a mass train up of fresh pilots. Brazilian and Argentinian Navy cancel their plans to scrap their Colossus-class carriers and hastily refit them. In April of 2009, two Argentinian passenger ships carrying its citizens from South Africa and Europe are torpedoed near the Azores. No country accepts blame. Eventually in late summer 2009, Chinese forces initiated a push towards eastern Africa through the Arabian Peninsula with its pre-existing naval bases north of Somalia serving as staging grounds. The east African nations begged for Western help, but the calls fell on deaf ears as NATO was bogged down in Europe and unwilling to help. The African Union’s Combat Command, led by South Africa, fought valiantly with forces mostly from Tanzania, Namibia and Kenya, but had to eventually perform a fighting retreat towards West Africa and the French possessions there to preserve the remaining combat forces. This now-exiled African force was still a formidable formation, but far from home. The refugees from Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa, and Namibia continue to fill up camps in the western coast and overwhelm resources everywhere. Through Madagascar, South Africa, and Namibia, the Chinese were able to support an expansive naval landing fleet. Reading the situation from afar, South American nations worried that it would eventually head there as a Chinese attempt to secure a foothold in the Americas. Requests for reinforcements and naval assets from the United States were once again met with difficulty, as the United States was fighting the war in the North Sea, Europe, and the Pacific. Not believing the Chinese to be willing to expand as rapidly, the United States Africa Command is too late to react as the People’s Liberation Army Navy lands on the islands of Saint Helena and Edinburgh of the Seven Seas. Though British Overseas Territories were falling, the similarly over-extended Royal Navy was unable to respond fast enough. Port Stanley and RAF Mount Pleasant at Falklands Islands are feared to be next. The RN and RAF start a large-scale operation to evacuate, the only option left. Argentina and Brazil offer their navies to assist in a tremendous sealift that brings the 3000 civilian residents of Falklands and untold number of British materiel to Argentina. The Falklands become a ghost town, without a soul, waiting for invasion. The British forces are scattered along the eastern seaboard of South America from one port city to the next, without cohesive structure. The HMS Invincible runs aground near the coast of Argentina, near Comodoro Rivadavia. At this moment, the once mighty Royal Navy is a practical joke, saved only by the swift action offered by Brazil and Argentina. The nations of South America are now face to face with the inevitable reality: their territorial integrity, their homeland, and their democracy is threatened. Their admirals agree that they are unable to face the PLAN fleets on open seas. As such, the Council of South American Defense opts to face the PLA as it lands and then push it back to the sea. On the 1st of February 2010, the PLAN fleet, now in control of the Falklands, launched toward the Tierra Del Fuego, and entered the Beagle Channel. The Argentinian and Chilean armies are caught with their pants down. The slow mobilization and logistics challenges meant that their armies had barely staged at Santa Cruz Province when the first Chinese troops disembarked at Puerto Williams and were not pushed back. The Chinese were able to consolidate forces, spread around the southern tip and establish a good foothold all the way to the Strait of Magellan, a significant natural barrier to the Chilean and Argentinian forces, even if not so much for the Chinese. Not only this, but the national disgrace in both countries forces resignations and sees new promotions to commands, creating even more confusion and further weakening an already struggling military forces. Realizing that the whole continent is now in threat of becoming a battlefield, Brazil, Ecuador, and Peru decide to immediately move to assist their neighbors. The Brazilian Navy steams south while Peruvian and Ecuadorian Air Forces are relocated to just north of the Strait of Magellan and to southern Santa Cruz province. As it becomes clear that Chinese control of South America is becoming more and more of a real possibility and would threaten each of their homeland eventually, the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, and Australia finally promise help. No definite inclusive or exclusive list of support is enumerated at this point, however. While wars and crises have left their mark on South America and democracy itself has occasionally waned, never have its major players been as united and determined as today. The civilian population is steadfast, and all riots and labor strikes are halted. Each factory is working around the clock, producing supplies at blistering speeds. It is clear to everyone that the future of Latin America hangs in the balance and that a population of 400 million are under immediate threat. It is now 10th of March, 2010. Ten days before the first real time gameday we have planned. Every single tarmac and landble surface in Chile and Argentina has become a transport and logistics hub. These airports are tiny regional airfields, often lacking dedicated taxi ways, but despite this daily miracles of organization, marshaling, and taxiing are performed as more and more air power arrives every day further south and each Air Force prepares for total war. The final preparations are being made to do whatever is necessary to buy enough time so that the promised help can arrive. Seems like the war that was supposed to be over in one late afternoon is stretching on. South America must not fall. Nuestra supervivencia exige fidelidad. Buena suerte. ----------------------------- The player units that are in play:  The United States Southern Command (USSOUTHCOM), located in Doral, Florida in Greater Miami. A unified combatant command, it is responsible for all of American interests in South America geographically, and will have a fictional liaison officer as the in-game manifestation that, with the USSOUTHCOM, commands the Council of South American Defense (Spanish: Consejo de Defensa Suramericano, Portuguese: Conselho de Defesa Sul-Americano), an irl-loose multinational cooperation that in our game universe has transformed into a unified combat command due to the necessities of the war. This Peruvian General player will make broad strokes decisions in this Let’s Play, have the ability to choose focus areas, and respond to challenges presented by the game masters. This player will not fly, and we encourage someone who is not a current active Air Goon to choose this role. It will be mostly a forums-based and discord-based administrative role, akin to playing a grog game. You’re encouraged and allowed to make your own backstory and lore. https://imgur.com/a0ahLwB General Carlos, Peruvian Air Force, Supreme Commander SCAD: Negostrike -----------------------------  Chilean Air Force. Fuerza Aérea de Chile (FACh) has the most modern inventory, though not the largest. With recently acquired ex-RAF E-3 Sentries and its American F-16s, the FACh can punch far above its size class and offer immensely needed capabilities to the conflict zone. Comandante Armando Tola International Airport is an airport in Santa Cruz Province, Argentina. This aviation brigade was previously at Punta Arenas, but has been forced to relocate farther and farther to avoid losing aircraft against the invading forces. Brazil has provided several aircraft, but due to disagreements with Argentina, has agreed to sub-ordinate its squadrons to the Chilean commander. The Brazilian Air Force, Força Aérea Brasileira, FAB, sends F-5 fighters and C-130 Hercules transports. They are not co-located, however, and hold their base currently at the city of Rio Gallegos, at Piloto Civil Norberto Fernández International Airport. This role can be filled by a non-flyer or someone who wishes to fly. Player Commander, Colonel Paredes: (goon needed) FACh: 3rd Aviation Squadron: F-16C Block 50 (Venom) 7th Aviation Squadron: F-16A/B MLU (Panther) 1st Aviation Squadron: E-3 Sentry (Player Air Battle Manager, plane flown by AI) (Condor) 2nd Aviation Squadron: KC-135, (AI-flown, player tasked) (Shell) E-3 Sentry is the name of the plane. It is an Early Warning platform, and it has inside ABMs, Air Battle Managers, who are the nerds who direct the fight. The player here will not actually fly the plane. The AI is flying it around in race tracks over friendly lines. However, the radar will see things, and these will be oggled by a screen that our Air Battle Manager uses from an external software called LotATC. They will use measurement tools and various map markers to guide and direct the air battle, effectively being the eye in the sky, and being able to be the one with the big picture in mind. The neat thing about LotATC is that the software will run from a potato, and so it can be used from really anywhere.     FAB: 1st Fighter Squadron: F-5E3 (Uzi) Effort post about F-5s by Muhlump: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=4042524&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post534880403 2nd Troop Transport Squadron: C-130 Hercules (Ascot)   -----------------------------  Peruvian Air Force One of the better equipped Latin American air forces with a mix of ex-Soviet and western equipment, the Fuerza Aérea del Perú, FAP, is a formidable force in the South American theater. With the most interesting plane set, the Peruvian Air Force currently calls Puerto Natales, at Teniente Julio Gallardo Airport, home. The airport is too small for the current contingent, and there are significant ground taxi issues and rearming difficulties. This role can be filled by a non-flyer or someone who wishes to fly. Player commander, Colonel Miranda: (goon needed) 412 Squadron: Mirage 2000C (Pontiac) 612 Squadron, MiG-29S (Colt) 112 Squadron, Su-25T (Chevy) 711 Squadron: MB-339 (Springfield)   The Ecuadorian Air Force, Fuerza Aérea Ecuatoriana, FAE, is sub-ordinated to the Peruvian commander. They are currently at Rio Turbio, Aeropuerto de Río Turbio. 2112 Combat Squadron: Mirage F-1 effort post by Arbitrary on the Mirage F1: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042524#post534840283   ----------------------------- Argentinian Naval Command of the Argentinian Navy, ARA, Armada de la República Argentina. The most powerful naval force in the region, it is currently in command of the South American Combined Armada, divided into the Chilean, Argentinian, and Brazilian Fleets. This SACA is commanded by a player who will not only task the carrier air wings, but also direct the fleets in how they proceed and what tasks they will attempt. This role can be filled by a non-flyer or someone who wishes to fly. SACA Commander, Admiral Sampaio: Kaal  Argentinian Fleet, located at San Julian, at dock, in fitting Frigates and destroyers from the Argentinian Navy.  - Chilean Fleet, located at 52nd parallel south currently, just west of the coast in the archipelago. Comprising several CNS Frigates and Destroyers, and most importantly, the Argentinian pride the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo. A colossus-class carrier now far beyond its time, but still capable of CATOBAR. It was unable to get to the Argentinian side before the invasion, and is now stuck with the Chilean Navy on the Chilean side as the head of the fleet there. The only battle-ready fleet, but positioned in an unfortunate location.   The ARA 25 de Mayo’s Air Wing: 3rd Fighter-Bomber Squadron, A-4 Skyhawk (Ford)    Brazilian Fleet   It’s flagship, NAeL Minas Gerais, is another Colossus-class carrier now living its retirement in a South American Navy. The Minais Gerais carries its own planes to battle. Furthermore, it is accompanied by Brazilian navy frigates and corvettes. The fleet is in urgent need of supplies. VF-1: A-4 Skyhawk (Dodge) Effort post by Steak on the A-4 in this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=534865345  -----------------------------  Argentine Army, Ejército Argentino, EA, is assigned as the highest land combat command. Due to the main REDFOR presence on Argentinian soil, it is entrusted with the command of both Argentine and Chilean Armies. The land forces of this region are limited in scope and quantity, and prioritization will be required to succeed. This player will be one of the most low-intensity ones, essentially moving a few pawns on the map and doing their best to disagree with the Air Forces. If you have any interest and even a passing familiarity, try your hand here. You can expect M60 tanks, AMX-13s, and various second hand US stock.  Brigadier General Humberto: Mederlock Chilean Army Preview in this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042524#post534825974 Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 22, 2024 |
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First (Excited to get back into air battle management. If you are interested in learning that trade let's talk, it's fun and a neat challenge and as we get more goons flying, having a second body dealing with enemy air is helpful!)
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As a South American this looks very interesting and considering our armed forces holy poo poo we're doomed and should've bought those Su-37s.
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I'm pining for the fjords. Also mirages.
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Stoked! Busy season for me but I'm going to make it work. Sign up sheet isn't updated yet right? e: uuh I vote we give Peru's newly elected president qualities in addition to simply being 'female', like a name. What about Lucia Aguila Gutierrez? Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Sep 24, 2023 |
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As a spectator just want to say that is a bonkers scenario and I am here for it 
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Lord Stimperor posted:Stoked! Busy season for me but I'm going to make it work. "Peru elects its first female President, Lucia Aguila Gutierrez, a member of Free Peru, and a former Air Force Pilot ". Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Sep 24, 2023 |
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Terrifying Effigies posted:As a spectator just want to say that is a bonkers scenario and I am here for it Check out how crazy the world's been before, too! WHAT HAPPENED IN 2008?https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989829 WHAT HAPPENED IN 1990? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3993395
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Excited to see super tucanos at some point :v
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I was a developer on Falcon 4.0, and DCS terrifies me. I need to see this clusterfuck.
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I'm scared too, but today I: Watched a cockpit familiarization video on the Mig-29 Did the startup, taxi, and takeoff tutorial. Twice, because I screwed up the engine start/stop thing. And I wasn't very seriously on fire after I landed! That also let me get head tracking working, but not tweaked yet.
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That is a bonkers world setup.
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I got DCS Black Shark, and decided that perhaps having to learn Cyrillic to start up a helicopter was a bit too far into the sim genre for me at the time. Excited to watch this, from the sidelines.
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Volmarias posted:I got DCS Black Shark, and decided that perhaps having to learn Cyrillic to start up a helicopter was a bit too far into the sim genre for me at the time. Ok, I hear you. What are your feelings on swedish or french though?
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Volmarias posted:I got DCS Black Shark, and decided that perhaps having to learn Cyrillic to start up a helicopter was a bit too far into the sim genre for me at the time. While South Atlantic map costs money, the C-130, Su-25T, and the A-4 are free. None can be considered demanding to learn.
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How far inland does the South Atlantic map go? Also how far North? I'm trying to figure out if they have my house modeled
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Space Kablooey posted:How far inland does the South Atlantic map go? Also how far North? I'm trying to figure out if they have my house modeled Just the tip of South America plus the Falkvinas 
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Negostrike posted:Just the tip of South America plus the Falkvinas Aw
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For those who might glance at that and think of how small it is: It’s 300 nautical miles from the Falklands to the continent. It is 550 or so nautical miles from the top of the map edge to the southern tip. Many of these ”narrow” channels and fjords are actually 10-20 nautical mile wide major shipping avenues where a carrier battlegroup could do donuts.
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Volmarias posted:I got DCS Black Shark, and decided that perhaps having to learn Cyrillic to start up a helicopter was a bit too far into the sim genre for me at the time. There is an English cockpit, eh?
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Which of the available planes is easiest to learn from zero to heroe in an evening or two, A4, SU25, or F16? F5? I basically only know how to hornet or tomcat so i'm looking at something that's suitable for idiots Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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Lord Stimperor posted:Which of the available planes is easiest to learn from zero to heroe in an evening or two, A4, SU25, or F16? F5? If you know the Hornet, then the F16 or F5 should be easy enough to transition to
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 So what kind of forces will fit on the ground? In DCS, we don't always have everything for everyone so substitutes will have to do. However, luckily this time it will not be much of an issue at all. The Chilean Army, Ejército de Chile, is very well represented in DCS. Here's some of their highlights and how they look in DCS. Leopard 1V: In 1997, 200 second-hand tanks belonging to the Royal Netherlands Army were purchased. They arrived in Chile between 1999 and 2000   Leopard 2A4CHL. Even the particular model is in DCS. In 2006, 140 second-hand tanks were purchased in Germany, with more units later. It is estimated a total of 186 tanks purchased by the army, which were destined for northern Chile.   NASAMS Air Defence. 3 batteries purchased in 2010; 2 static batteries and 1 mobile battery.   M163 VADS, Chile bought these from the united states.   The M113. Probably don't need an introduction here.   M109 Paladin. The army has 48 units, of which 24 are M109A3s purchased second-hand in Switzerland in 2004 and another 24 used units are M109A5s acquired in the United States.   Marder 1A3.   Humvee. Yeah, you guessed it.   And the same, but for MOWAG Piranha. Our only vehicle where we have to take artistic liberty. No Piranha is in DCS, so we use the Stryker in DCS. 
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Mederlock posted:If you know the Hornet, then the F16 or F5 should be easy enough to transition to Oof I've looked at a startup for the F16 and it bothers me that you have to line up your HUD. Like, that plane seems to be a lot of work. I think I'm gonna go with the SU25 on this campaign. Just watched a clip and the absolute bear essentials seem to fit on two pages, just need to figure out a smart way to put it on my HOTAS.
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Lord Stimperor posted:Oof I've looked at a startup for the F16 and it bothers me that you have to line up your HUD. Like, that plane seems to be a lot of work. I think I'm gonna go with the SU25 on this campaign. Just watched a clip and the absolute bear essentials seem to fit on two pages, just need to figure out a smart way to put it on my HOTAS. Edit: having talked about it on the Discord, it's a case of a bad quick impression, in practice it's nowhere as complicated as it might seem from a clip. But also the SU-25 has simplified avionics so it's really easy to quickly pick up and put warheads on foreheads radintorov fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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Also it's single seat, multirole, can fly right up its own rear end hole. Hi thread, just planning on watching and saying dumb Dos Gringos lyrics about the Viper when relevant
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radintorov posted:I have to ask what clip did you watch, because the F-16 is one of the easiest modern jets to learn in DCS, even more so than the Hornet. Yeah, I've read your comments. Thanks for that. I can appreciate that many tutorials are a bit on the nerdier side. By comparison, I can get the hornet ready to party in like two minutes, whereas YouTube tutorials generally overcomplicate everything and turn this into a computer touching exercise. I'll dwell on this a little bit. I wanna have the F16 in the medium term, but I don't think I'll be proficient enough for it until the campaign starts (I have a couple of evenings to practice), and it's quite expensive imo in addition to the campaign map. There is also part of me that hopes that picking up the SU25 with a bunch of rockets and one or two guided missiles will be a bit more laid back experience than managing JDAMs, punching in waypoints for a cruise missile while evading radar and juggling A2A and what not. E: I'll take this out of this thread, this isn't really adding anything to the campaign discussion Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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It’s the twilight hour, and you’re heading out to your jet. The APU whines and you hear the metal under tension. There is both howling and roaring. You take one look at the patch on your shoulder before you duck your head and climb aboard your chariot, ready to take the battle to the enemy. You might think you’re about to strap into a F-16 Fighting Falcon but that’s for children. You are a man among men. You are this man:  You are this man:  You are this man:  If it wasn’t clear, you are this man:  Welcome to Air Battle Management. Pro: You don’t need a HOTAS, hell you don’t even need DCS technically. Con: People make fun of you because you aren’t a pilot. Pro: You can delay hostile callouts to those people and let them die as a punishment. You wield ultimate power. All tremble before you. Con: You can get a lot of people killed. Pro: You can get a lot of people killed. So, what’s this all about? When 40 goons pile into the air and try and do stuff, someone has to coordinate. There are two main flavors of coordination. Someone has to keep the air to ground/air to surface planes on task. One strike package might clear it’s target, so you adjust the second package to something else. Alternatively, the first strike package might fly into enemy MANPADS and more bombs need to be dropped. This is pretty simple, you watch the map and keep tabs on what’s going on and talk really seriously on the radios. You don’t have to make the csssht noise, the game does that for you it’s amazing. The other flavor is coordinating air to air operations. Let’s look at an example:  Here we have a small portion of the screen you’ll be looking at. There’s a lot going on but as you get good at it you’ll process things out. At first glance, there’s a friendly tanker with a friendly escort on the left, ok no factor there. There’s a couple carriers in the middle, again, no factor. Some fighters bottom left, that’s someone else's problem. Then on the right there’s two enemy L-39ZAs jumping on our two boys in blue in F-16’s. But, how did we get here? Let’s roll the tape back a few minutes:  This is what you might see. You’ll quickly see that I’ve connected the two with a “BRAA” line. Bearing, Range, Altitude, Aspect. When I get on the radio to the friendlies, I’m going to want to tell them there are hostiles out there but there might be a lot of stuff going on, this is probably one of a half dozen potential engagements. So I’m going to call them, “Venom One-One (them), Condor (me), Bandits Zero-Six-Six (Bearing from Venom 1-1 to the bandits) for One-hundred Thirty Four (range in nautical miles), Twelve Thousand (altitude), Hot (aspect), Pair of L-39’s.” This tells Venom flight what is out there, and in a perfect world they don’t need any more communication from me. They have enough information to prosecute this target. That said, we’ll be talking to them again. The blue lines coming out of each contact are 3 minute vectors. Essentially, where that plane will be in 3 minutes, barring no changes.  A few minutes later, Venom flight has turned and is working towards the intercept. Venom can’t fly directly at the targets, they want to head to the end of the dashed line, that’s the intercept point. I might give them that vector, “Venom One-One, Make Zero-Eight-Eight for 10 minutes for intercept.” Now, the bandits might maneuver too, so I’ll probably be calling them every few minutes to adjust them. I’m also scanning the rest of the battlespace because as I said, there’s probably other kerfuffles happening. It gets pretty busy when there’s a lot going on.  A few minutes later, the key info here is that their tips are almost touching, so in three minutes, these guys will be ontop of each other.  A minute later, they’re getting into visual range, coming up on 20 miles distant.  A few seconds later, missiles are flying (the new airborne blip). What happens next? You’ll have to get yourself into the sky and see for yourself. Do you want to try it out? We almost always need two Air Battle Managers (a2a and a2g/a2s). If we have more interest, we’ll get you trained up you can try it out. It’s a great gateway into the campaign, especially if you’re not comfortable flying or are still getting your HOTAS figured out. Do you have what it takes?
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Somehow I forgot to add the video teaser to the OP. Added, but here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_mCf0mL9IE
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Sep 26, 2023 03:45
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Looking good. It's not in the OP but looks like the Brazilian Air Force is in the theater as well? I don't think DCS has AMX though, it'd be nice EDIT: Nvm, just read a bit more carefully
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Negostrike posted:Looking good. It's not in the OP but looks like the Brazilian Air Force is in the theater as well? Muhlump repped the Brazilian Air Force on his familiarization tour of mainly Tierra del Fuego.  Coming to land at Ushuia:  Same shot from Google Earth:  Leaving Ushuia:  Approaching Aerodromo Pampa Guanaco, an absolute rear end end of loving nowhere. There's not even a town here, just a few residences. The runway was drat .4 miles long, too. I have no idea who the hell lives here but I pity them. Muhlump nailed the landing.   Leaving the place almost ended up getting dicey:  Final stop was Tolhuin, runway was short, town is depressing. Leaving Tolhuin:  
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Sep 26, 2023 04:48
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Vahakyla posted:While South Atlantic map costs money, the C-130, Su-25T, and the A-4 are free. None can be considered demanding to learn. Those are not helicopters, though. Snapshot posted:There is an English cockpit, eh? My versimilitude!!! 
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Sep 26, 2023 05:32
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Helicopters will almost certainly be eventually introduced here. Peru uses Hips and Hinds, and the others use Hueys and Gazelles, at least. And Blackhawks, which there us a UH-60L mod. However we’ll start with fixed wing ops for now.
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I'm excited to CFIT into a new part of the world. Flying an A4 and having a friendly SAM down an enemy interceptor in front of our flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMpcUoRT1zo One round of the Goon-on-Goon Fox1 PVP tournament: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0TjyD_ehM4&t=48s DCS with goons is fun and chilled. Having a basic joystick helps, but some people play with a Gamepad like absolute maniacs.
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Vahakyla posted:The Ecuadorian Air Force, Fuerza Aérea Ecuatoriana, FAE, is sub-ordinated to the Peruvian commander. They are currently at Rio Turbio, Aeropuerto de Río Turbio.   The Mirage F1 was nearly too good for its time. Fast, agile, sleek, fast, dangerous, and fast. It has a long career in more theaters than can be enumerated in one post. The F1 is an all-weather strike fighter interceptor that is (one of?) the only planes to shoot down F-14 Tomcats. A modernized F1 was in the running against the F-16 Fighting Falcon to be the NATO fighter, but we all know how contract rigging goes. quote:Based on interviews, books and diaries of the participants, the first huge blow to the Iranian F-14 fleet came on November 24th, 1981 when a pair of F-14 Tomcats were caught by surprise and shot down by Iraqi Mirages in one of the deadliest days for the F-14 fighter fleet. In a pincer attack with a MiG acting as a decoy, the two Mirages downed the two F-14s using hit and run tactics and R.530 medium-ranged missiles. As detailed in our interview with an Iranian Tomcat pilot these losses severely dented the morale of the F-14 force. quote:During the ending phase of Iran–Iraq War a mini war developed between the Iraqi Mirage F1 EQ-5/6 units and the Iranian F-14s between February until July 1988. The F1 pilots hunted the Tomcats aggressively and attacked the Iranians at any occasion. The F1EQ-6s were equipped with good ECM systems, and the Iraqi pilots could deny the F-14s from using their AIM-54 missiles. For example on 19th July 1988 four Mirages attacked two F-14s and downed both, suffering no losses. For this campaign we will likely be using the Mirage F1EE. Likely missions include:
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Please consider signing up to fly with the 2112 Combat Squadron.  The Mirage 2000 and Mig-29 are pretty fast, too. Corky Romanovsky fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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 Time for the first intel briefing given at the CSAD to Air Force commanders. Date: February 10, 2010 Concerning: PLAN and PLAAF forces at Islas Malvinas and Tierra del Fuego. Briefing Focus: Islas Malvinas (that some call the "Falklands") Listen up, as we all know, the Chinese Navy has captured Puerto Williams and Ushuia, and is currently spreading its forces to the rest of Tierra del Fuego. While there are not many major cities nor airports, the situation is very grim. The intel briefing for Tierra del Fuego will be at a later moment, but first, let's discuss the current situation of People's Liberation Army Air Force resupply. The distance from the current PLAN logistics hub, Cape Town, South Africa, to Tierra del Fuego is 4100 nautical miles. That is an immense distance, and far beyond the capabilities of any PLAAF air asset. Currently, as far as we know, the PLAN has taken control of all the ports in South Africa and Namibia. These are used for island hopping logistics where the latest PLAN island seizures; Saint Helena, Edinburgh of the Seven Seas, South Georgia and now Malvinas, are used to sustain this immediate sealift. Using this island hopping logistics chain, each leg is roughly 1500 nautical miles long. Their attack submarine fleet is hard at work protecting this, but they have also had their shipping sunk. Some 40 cargo ships are currently en-route to the Malvinas, and possibly as many as 15 have already been unloaded. Most of these ships are at Blanco Bay, waiting to get into Port Stanley at East Malvinas. Their cargo is unloaded and either trucked to former-RAF Mount Pleasant, or in the case of jets; trucked to Stanley Airfield and flown to Mount Pleasant. This is is where they are combat fitted and conduct patrols between the Malvinas and Tierra del Fuego. When the PLAN landed at Puerto Williams and Ushuia, they had relative few airplanes providing overwatch. We believe this to be due to the difficulty sealift and the slow speed of unloading. This means that at the start of our operations on the 20th, ten days now, we are not yet against the full PLAAF airpower. Let's look at the satellite photos offered by the USSOUTHCOM: Here we can see the ships waiting in line to get into Port Stanley. Visible are also several Type 052 destroyers providing air defence. Red arrow is the route they take on trucks to Stanley Airfield.  The mainstay of the PLAAF fleet is the J-7G, seen here getting unloaded from the cargo ship. The number of cranes and the throughput of their lifts is the current limiting factor. Expect the PLAN to prioritize shipping in better port facilities as soon as they are able. Also seen is a HQ-7 mobile SAM unit.  The flight from Stanley to Mount Pleasant is only 30 nautical miles and we've detected a daily ferry operation by the PLAAF.  Here's a latest flyover of PLAAF Mount Pleasant: A daily increasing number of J-7Gs, two J-11s, and two H-6s are there currently. In addition, a large number of shipping containers are arriving via truck from Port Stanley.  Now let's focus on something else. As you all know, the seas at the Malvinas can be especially cruel and demanding. As Port Stanley has a limited capacity of accepting ships, the PLAN has had issues with the large number of ships, including their civilian merchant fleet used for this sea lift. Just like for the past centuries, ships seek shelter at Choiseul Sound, between Isla Soledad (Main part of East Falklands/Malvinas) and the southern, mainly uninhabited Lafonia. These are conneted by a narrow isthmus known as Goose Green that also has a small settlement on it. To the east of Goose Green, are various natural bays and coves that offer safe anchoring for the large number of ships. This place also has Type 052 destroyers there.  THIS CONCLUDES THE INTEL BRIEF LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ------------------ Hypothetically, if we had eyes everywhere, this is what it would look like to watch some PLAAF J-7Gs depart Stanley to Mount Pleasant. 
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Elendil004 posted:Do you have what it takes? Uggh this sounds interesting ngl.
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 There is a choice to be made! The choice: Do you want game day 01 (irl 14th October 2023) to have more CAP planes or CAS planes available? Listen up, we have an urgent mission that is extremely classified currently. While the mission itself will be revealed at a later date, it offers us the opportunity to use several C-130s on a tasking with room to spare. This means we can either choose Waypoint 2 to be Rio Gallegos, or Puerto San Julian. At Puerto San Julian we have spare parts for the Peruvian Air Force Su-25T aircraft, and at Rio Gallegos we have spare parts for Brazilian F-5s. Neither of these represent the most modern option, this choice will mean extra AI patrols near or at the Forward Line of Troops during game day. If you choose F-5s, it's CAP. If you choose the Su-25Ts, it's more CAS or Strike. Since we do not have a commander yet for this position, it's basically a thread vote that will be decided no later than Thursday, 48 hours from now. If you're just a lurker, we'd love to have your opinion. I encourage anyone to participate. Type out a bit of your reasoning when you post your vote or choice! This mission will set up the CLASSIFIED CLASSIFIED CLASSIFIED for CLASSIFIED next operation. This operation will be played in Arma 3 with some mods and will directly tie into this mission. This Arma 3 mission is scheduled for: 11 October 2023, at 2300hrs UTC to be played at Air Goons Discord. That's 2000hrs Eastern Time, 1900hrs Central Time. So wednesday evening on the 11th, we play the first Arma mission of this campaign. -------------------- Aight, intel briefing. Get ready. In real life gametime, this weekend, on the 30th of September, we will fly a DCS mission at the usual goon time, 2000 UTC. It represents the in-game time of 0900hrs, 11 February, 2010. This is a secret mission. You are to take the cargo GROOMSMEN from El Calafate, Comandante Armando Tola International Airport. It's in Santa Cruz Province, Argentina. This cargo is to be brought to a specific location over the Atlantic Sea. After you have delivered GROOMSMEN, you will turn around and either land at Rio Gallegos or Puerto San Julian on your way back to El Calafate. This will depend on the choice made. After cargo pickup you will fly to El Calafate and it will be mission complete. Available for this mission you have: ASCOT 1: 4x C-130 cargo aircraft VENOM 1: 2x F-16C from Chilean Air Force Venom 2: 2x F-16C from Chilean Air Force Signup here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Grz7yEp70GOFfjch3zD1mp2TpDStdapDdqNVTAOu6c/edit#gid=0 We will get the final weather forecast soon, but it is currently bad weather over the province with low lying fog, broken clouds, and moderate precipitation. It is not a good flying weather. The flying weather is not made better by the PLAAF patrols that have been sighted over the South Atlantic. We are currently monitoring the hostile invasion force in Tierra del Fuego, but do not assess that to be a risk to this operation. Nevertheless, we've assigned the escort flights to this. The PLAAF has some patrols around the Malvinas, and there are sporadic airplanes flying low over Tierra del Fuego. The PLAAF is unlikely to initiate contact, and so are we. Stay well within the FLOT during the mission. The two proposed waypoints are as follows: RESOLUTION JAGUAR (Fetch the F-5 parts)  RESOLUTION GUINEA PIG (Fetch the Su-25T parts)  We have this signal intercept from South Atlantic that we are currently waiting more information on: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QaZxuhpLDQFNv1sQnblPmUJTW2HKV5DH/view?usp=sharing Sign up and see you in the skies! Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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