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Shaocaholica posted:I always thought that bluetooth delay was mostly due to the receiver and not the sender. At least I know that's true with my car (12yrs worth of different iPhones and all the same delay). Well I just bought a Creative Stage SE BT speaker for a desktop setup and connected it to my 2015 MBP to test and the delay was awful. Completely unusable for movies or anything that requires picture and sound sync. I just thought it was the speakers fault. A direct USB audio connection was perfectly in sync. I just hooked it up to my trashcan which is even older than the 2015 MBP and the BT sync is spot on with no perceptible delay. So it was the MBP that was the cause of the delay? Seems odd. Senders can have delay if the encoder is slow. Receivers can have delay if the DAC is slow. There can also be a delay depending on the Bluetooth codec that is used. iirc, the default Bluetooth codec on most Apple devices is not low-latency and will have a delay, no matter what. e: yeah, iOS devices and some MacOS devices only support SBC and AAC, neither of which is low-latency
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Ok picked up the next trashcan. Attempting to App Store update from 10.11.6 to 12.6. On the last trashcan doing a clean install of 12.6 didn't work. I had to install Catalina as an intermediate step to get a new bootrom or something. Lets see if this works through the App Store upgrade. Even if it works I'll still clean install something anyway.
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Shaocaholica posted:Ok picked up the next trashcan. Attempting to App Store update from 10.11.6 to 12.6. On the last trashcan doing a clean install of 12.6 didn't work. I had to install Catalina as an intermediate step to get a new bootrom or something. Lets see if this works through the App Store upgrade. Even if it works I'll still clean install something anyway. boot camp one of them and run the twin GPUs in crossfire hook the other one up to an eGPU
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There's AMD crossfire drivers for the D700? Anyway upgrade to 12.7 worked. Converted the HFS partition to APFS. Maybe I'll put Sonoma on it.
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Warbird posted:I’m debating tossing Linux on the MBP 2013 I don’t use anymore now that it’s no longer supported. Is there a central place/project for this sort of thing or do I just need to go google around and find what folks have gotten to work? Have you looked at Open Core Legacy Patcher? Not Linux, but it does get you onto more supported versions of Mac OS.
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apparently the trashcan gets somewhat respectable performance when you run the GPUs in crossfireX in windows https://youtu.be/v_1qWNthfe4?si=x7Wx4dKNaJq9MmC- (Spoiler:egpu in Linux is a PITA, he ends up doing windows and running the onboard GPUs in crossfire)
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also you’re gonna get me to buy one of these you gently caress 
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Ok Comboomer posted:apparently the trashcan gets somewhat respectable performance when you run the GPUs in crossfireX in windows Lol this poors only has D300s.
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Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:Have you looked at Open Core Legacy Patcher? Not Linux, but it does get you onto more supported versions of Mac OS. It’s valid path but the 2014 has like 2 gigs of ram or something similarly minuscule so eh. I already don’t use it at all since upgrading so may as well get stupid with it.
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Warbird posted:I’m debating tossing Linux on the MBP 2013 I don’t use anymore now that it’s no longer supported. Is there a central place/project for this sort of thing or do I just need to go google around and find what folks have gotten to work? If you want to go Linux then Linux Mint Cinnamon is a good choice, especially if you have only 8 GB / 4 GB of RAM on the 2013 rMBP. It's as simple as downloading balenaEtcher, the Linux Mint ISO, and using bE to image a 16 GB USB stick Then boot with the stick inserted, hold down option to get the boot picker and select the stick, then boot into grub and install away. LMC runs fairly smoothly; you do have to keep the stick in after you boot so you can install the Broadcom WiFi driver but after it's installed you should have no problems downloading other updates.
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So apparently Cinebench 2024 has GPU raytracing benchmark and probably optimized for Nvidia RT cores because 4060Ti scores are like double that of the M2 Ultra.
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Shaocaholica posted:So apparently Cinebench 2024 has GPU raytracing benchmark and probably optimized for Nvidia RT cores because 4060Ti scores are like double that of the M2 Ultra. yeah, it’s definitely impossible that Apple would overstate and misrepresent the performance of their hardware
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Incredibly hosed up fhat Cinebench would create their test with the architecture that 99.7% of gamers use in mind.
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American McGay posted:Incredibly hosed up fhat Cinebench would create their test with the architecture that 99.7% of gamers use in mind. Cinebench seems fairly agnostic tho. Their GPU raytracer is based on Redshift which is a thing their parent company owns. It's not a 'gamer' product. Perhaps this is just the difference to expect when you don't have dedicated raytracing hardware.
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Shaocaholica posted:So apparently Cinebench 2024 has GPU raytracing benchmark and probably optimized for Nvidia RT cores because 4060Ti scores are like double that of the M2 Ultra. Yeah a 60W tdp processor of which the gpu is using some fraction of that isn’t gonna put the same numbers up as a ~160W dedicated gpu. It’s still likely very impressive in terms of performance/watt tho FormatAmerica fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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FormatAmerica posted:Yeah a 60W tdp processor of which the gpu is using some fraction of that isn’t gonna put the same numbers up as a ~160W dedicated gpu. This. Apple has been very clear that they're not the most powerful, but the best performing at lower wattages.
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Mister Facetious posted:This. Apple has been very clear that they're not the most powerful, but the best performing at lower wattages. we stan a low power king
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FormatAmerica posted:Yeah a 60W tdp processor of which the gpu is using some fraction of that isn’t gonna put the same numbers up as a ~160W dedicated gpu. The M2 Ultra may not be great at ray tracing, but for things that need pure memory bandwidth it outperforms 200W+ parts. I think it's worth comparing to. It's just a gigantic piece of silicon that's like 80% GPU by area, with 800GB/s memory bandwidth to match. That's more than a 4080. The cheapest computer it's available in starts at $4k, and the other specs are pretty low so that cost has gotta be mostly the CPU/GPU.
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I think it’ll be much more interesting to see how M3 compares once we hopefully get dedicated ray tracing hardware.
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Binary Badger posted:If you want to go Linux then Linux Mint Cinnamon is a good choice, especially if you have only 8 GB / 4 GB of RAM on the 2013 rMBP. Good to know, thanks. I wasn't sure if there was some Apple nonsense that would prevent from just flashing away or doing a live CD install or the like.
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Do yourself a favor and update the 2013 to the last Big Sur update, 11.7.10, it will update the BootROM to the latest version it will ever get, it will help if you decide to toss the OEM Apple SSUBX SSD in favor of a modern nVMe drive with the proper adapter. Newer BootROMs do include tweaks to make using a modern SSD better. The only other thing to watch out for is that very few Linux flavors have support for any macOS features like battery / power management; if your battery is already on its way out running Linux might shove it towards the grave faster.
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I know there’s a permanent credo of “you should have waited” for new Mac releases, but on balance, how much would I be likely to kick myself for getting a base model M2 Studio versus waiting for the inevitable M3 refresh?
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I have a choice between a D700 2013 Trashcan with an 8-core for $400 or a 12-core for $100 more. This is mainly for fun but I’d like to ideally daily it until the M3 Studios/MacBook Pros are out, and I’m not averse to bootcamping it into Windows 10 to get max GPU power and maybe stream some games for shits and giggles/youtube dreams 8-core is 3.0ghz has better single core performance and 12-core is 2.7ghz and has better multi, obvi. What do? Looks like I can get drop-in CPUs in either direction for ~$30 if I decide to change my mind, but it’s an hour of fiddly work to do the swap.
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Hasturtium posted:I know there’s a permanent credo of “you should have waited” for new Mac releases, but on balance, how much would I be likely to kick myself for getting a base model M2 Studio versus waiting for the inevitable M3 refresh? do you want ray tracing? do you like the idea of ray tracing?
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Ok Comboomer posted:do you want ray tracing? do you like the idea of ray tracing? I have ray tracing on my PC already so that’s a non-factor. Outside of a small number of productivity applications it mostly makes games prettier and slower, so I don’t care. Mostly wondering if M3 will have more big cores than M2, but I don’t even know if I care that much.
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Hasturtium posted:Mostly wondering if M3 will have more big cores than M2, but I don’t even know if I care that much. Rumor mill thinks it will, but I wouldn't depend on rumors.
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mediaphage posted:would be hilarious to see them bring back the xserve with apple silicon under the guise of saving on cooling or something I had an xserve back at the design studio. That was a really nice 1U server, great design throughout, totally superior to the 1U Dells we also had. Unfortunately, nobody sane will pay an Apple premium for a 1U server so the line got discontinued.
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The m3 will have av1 decode because the new iPhone does. It might have encode too, and maybe thunderbolt 5 since that was announced.
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mllaneza posted:I had an xserve back at the design studio. That was a really nice 1U server, great design throughout, totally superior to the 1U Dells we also had. Unfortunately, nobody sane will pay an Apple premium for a 1U server so the line got discontinued. yeah i totally agree, and with the rise of arm servers it's probably not as competitive as it might be. but it would be funny. Ok Comboomer posted:I have a choice between a D700 2013 Trashcan with an 8-core for $400 or a 12-core for $100 more. i mean if you don't mind the work while you watch tv (and you would find it "fun" to do versus using that hour to make more than the $70 you'd save) it seems reasonable to just pick up the 8-core if you really want one of the two. if you want the performance to run some extra VMs or something though and you really don't want to waste your time with an upgrade then you should just shell out the bucks
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Perplx posted:The m3 will have av1 decode because the new iPhone does. It might have encode too, and maybe thunderbolt 5 since that was announced. We’re in this weird space where everyone is saying the M3 will be the true second generation Apple Silicon but I’m not entirely sure it’s going to happen. My PC has been somewhat of a money pit recently with video card and power supply issues and I’m looking at a Mac replacement but trying to hold out for the M3 to see if I can go with a Mac Mini over a Studio.
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I’m pressing my trashcan guy for one more. He might have it. Same spec. The CPUs are dirt cheap if you want to upgrade to whatever. Same for ram. SSD cheap too with adapter. I have a 4TB on the way.
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Shaocaholica posted:I’m pressing my trashcan guy for one more. He might have it. Same spec. can I ask you what you’re paying and what loadout you’re getting, whether you’re planning to upgrade them at all?
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Ok Comboomer posted:can I ask you what you’re paying and what loadout you’re getting, whether you’re planning to upgrade them at all? 12core/D700/64G/1T for $300 Basically max spec from apple. The SSD is the only thing worth upgrading if you need it for whatever. I’ll have 3 hopefully. I’ll keep the best cosmetic one and probs sell the other 2 here.
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Shaocaholica posted:12core/D700/64G/1T for $300 That's an excellent price, especially for the D700. If he's got one and you pass on it but he's willing to ship, I'd love to be put in touch, if you don't mind. Alternatively: are the "less cosmetically nice ones" in your possession rough looking? I'd rather buy a known quantity item from a goon (and hopefully spend less than $500+) than chance it buying a sight-unseen one from a reseller (or buying a ~$450 8-core and possibly/most likely upgrading it) and spend a bunch more money to do so, so if you do end up buying and culling down your collection I'd absolutely buy one of them off of you assuming that the price is agreeable and the aesthetic condition isn't too bad.
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The only issue I have with one of them is a dent on the bottom vent that’s not seen in use. The shell is also a bit stiff to unlock but overall looks excellent. The other one is excellent. I’m sure the 3rd would be excellent as well. Anyone buying one from me will get a full set of photos showing any blemishes before committing for sure. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Oct 3, 2023 |
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Shaocaholica posted:I always thought that bluetooth delay was mostly due to the receiver and not the sender. At least I know that's true with my car (12yrs worth of different iPhones and all the same delay). Well I just bought a Creative Stage SE BT speaker for a desktop setup and connected it to my 2015 MBP to test and the delay was awful. Completely unusable for movies or anything that requires picture and sound sync. I just thought it was the speakers fault. A direct USB audio connection was perfectly in sync. I just hooked it up to my trashcan which is even older than the 2015 MBP and the BT sync is spot on with no perceptible delay. So it was the MBP that was the cause of the delay? Seems odd. Lots of things can cause BT delays. I had a MBP that had a similar issue. It varies device to device. Generally, in a high end device from the last couple years, manufacturers have done an ok job mitigating BT delay in their product testing.
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Shaocaholica posted:The only issue I have with one of them is a dent on the bottom vent that’s not seen in use. The shell is also a bit stiff to unlock but overall looks excellent. The other one is excellent. I’m sure the 3rd would be excellent as well. I’ll buy the excellent non-dented one that you decide not to keep if you end up going that route. LMK.
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Ok Comboomer posted:I have a choice between a D700 2013 Trashcan with an 8-core for $400 or a 12-core for $100 more. I don't think bootcamp works on the new M chips so I think Parallels is the only viable option for regular users, at least that's what I earned after trying to run stuff like R Studio and ARCGIS on my new Air
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BUUNNI posted:I don't think bootcamp works on the new M chips so I think Parallels is the only viable option for regular users, at least that's what I earned after trying to run stuff like R Studio and ARCGIS on my new Air good thing that none of this matters for a 2013 Trashcan Mac Pro
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