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Maigius
Jun 29, 2013


https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1708889216531173880

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Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?


Dang

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Riven posted:

Oh right. The poison. The poison for my friend. The poison chosen specially to kill my friend. My friend’s poison.

He just had a little bit as a treat

Hollandia
Jul 27, 2007

rattus rattus


Grimey Drawer

Lobok posted:

Pollocks don't have much power on a computer monitor. The size and the textures are totally gone in a JPG. Sounds like the most basic advice ever but most great paintings should be experienced first-hand (except the Mona Lisa).
Seeing one of Van Goghs sunflowers irl really got this through to me - I randomly spotted it in the gallery, didn't recognise it at first and just went oh wow this painting is really impressive, then suddenly it clicked.

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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Jackson Pollock's splatter paintings are like relief sculptures when you see them in person. They're gigantic and deeply layered and textured.

Saying that you don't like one based on a jpg is like looking at a picture of food and saying that you don't like how it tastes.

Well, off to the AFP thread for me.

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.





CommonShore posted:

Jackson Pollock's splatter paintings are like relief sculptures when you see them in person. They're gigantic and deeply layered and textured.

Saying that you don't like one based on a jpg is like looking at a picture of food and saying that you don't like how it tastes.

Well, off to the AFP thread for me.

The what thread?

freeedr
Feb 21, 2005

Always fuckin’ partying thread.

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored

This is not a Maryland thing

Ishamael
Feb 18, 2004

You don't have to love me, but you will respect me.

Frank Frank posted:

This is not a Maryland thing

Sounds exactly like what someone all hopped up on Sippin Cream would say

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Lobok posted:

Pollocks don't have much power on a computer monitor. The size and the textures are totally gone in a JPG. Sounds like the most basic advice ever but most great paintings should be experienced first-hand (except the Mona Lisa).
A Sunday on La Grande Jatte, 1884? The one you've seen in every history textbook that wants to give one page to something pretty? Pointillism?

It"s 6 feet 10 inches high by 10 feet 1 inch wide. ( 207.5 × 308.1 cm) It's huge. It looms over you. You have no idea how hard it hits until you've been to the Art Institute of Chicago.

I haven't seen a Rothko in person, but I understand the same thing's going on: you can't understand it without seeing how the light pours over it.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

freeedr posted:

Always fuckin’ partying thread.

thats the only way you can enjoy a jackson pollock painting oh ho ho

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Maybe you can't understand it but I'm different

Kei Technical
Sep 20, 2011
Girl with a pearl earring is interesting in pictures and astonishing in person

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗

Kei Technical posted:

Girl with a pearl earring is interesting in pictures and astonishing in person

I can imagine. The sheer skill required to get it around the earlobe when compared to the more pedestrian necklace is astounding.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Leon Sumbitches posted:

The what thread?

anti food porn. The thread where we look at pictures of food and say it looks gross.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Arsenic Lupin posted:

A Sunday on La Grande Jatte, 1884? The one you've seen in every history textbook that wants to give one page to something pretty? Pointillism?

It"s 6 feet 10 inches high by 10 feet 1 inch wide. ( 207.5 × 308.1 cm) It's huge. It looms over you. You have no idea how hard it hits until you've been to the Art Institute of Chicago.

I haven't seen a Rothko in person, but I understand the same thing's going on: you can't understand it without seeing how the light pours over it.

It's not just a little different either, there's a bunch all staged at a chapel in Houston and it's absurdly different to see them in person all arranged and together like they are than it is to see some jpgs.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Yngwie Mangosteen posted:

It's not just a little different either, there's a bunch all staged at a chapel in Houston and it's absurdly different to see them in person all arranged and together like they are than it is to see some jpgs.

I've seen them in person many times. Across different stages of my life.

They've always been somewhere between eh and meh.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!
I like to call fine art fart for short because it STINKS.

Diamonds On MY Fish
Dec 10, 2008

I WAS BORN THIS WAY
To the argument that AI art is bad because the AI is basing it's pictures of of other people's pictures that it's seen before...

Isn't that what artists do too? They're brain is processing ideas about "art" bad on things it's seen in the past.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

To the argument that AI art is bad because the AI is basing it's pictures of of other people's pictures that it's seen before...

Isn't that what artists do too? They're brain is processing ideas about "art" bad on things it's seen in the past.
Source your quotes

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

To the argument that AI art is bad because the AI is basing it's pictures of of other people's pictures that it's seen before...

Isn't that what artists do too? They're brain is processing ideas about "art" bad on things it's seen in the past.

Interesting question! Shut up.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
Artists and writers: this technology is harmful and will be used to drive wages down while producing the blandest vomit of rehashed culture
Journalists: this technology is harmful and will be used to make truth unknowable
Women: this technology is harmful and will be used to make nonconsensual pornography

You: what about the laziest thought-terminating analogy ever scraped from the bowels of reddit

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

To the argument that AI art is bad because the AI is basing it's pictures of of other people's pictures that it's seen before...

Isn't that what artists do too? They're brain is processing ideas about "art" bad on things it's seen in the past.

gently caress offffffff

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Zetsubou-san posted:

small bart's sister is mona lisa

:regd13:
No, you're thinking of mini lisa.

Parallelwoody
Apr 10, 2008


Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

To the argument that AI art is bad because the AI is basing it's pictures of of other people's pictures that it's seen before...

Isn't that what artists do too? They're brain is processing ideas about "art" bad on things it's seen in the past.

You bring up an interesting comparison. I think it's similar to the technological leap of moving from cassettes to CDs, specifically CDeez nuts.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

To the argument that AI art is bad because the AI is basing it's pictures of of other people's pictures that it's seen before...

Isn't that what artists do too? They're brain is processing ideas about "art" bad on things it's seen in the past.

This argument works, or is at least nuanced, if "AI art" is being generated by artificial persons, at their whim, for their own profit. Except it's not, it's a tool used to automatically harvest, scramble and regurgitate other peoples' work to profit the folks who made or use the tool. Because it's not people or intelligent, it's just called "AI" as a marketing branding.

It is to plagiarism what the combine harvester is to picking crops. That's all.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think that makes it analogous to doing art for a job then.

There's a perfectly good objection to be made about AI art just based on the practical consequences but I don't honestly find the more metaphysical arguments about the nature of creativity to be very compelling. If I do literally anything all my brain is doing is being a machine that takes in things I have been previously exposed to and regurgitates a mixture of that based on some function of the way the brain is structured. I don't really see it as being that much different to a computer in terms of the nature of its function.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



OwlFancier posted:

I think that makes it analogous to doing art for a job then.

There's a perfectly good objection to be made about AI art just based on the practical consequences but I don't honestly find the more metaphysical arguments about the nature of creativity to be very compelling. If I do literally anything all my brain is doing is being a machine that takes in things I have been previously exposed to and regurgitates a mixture of that based on some function of the way the brain is structured. I don't really see it as being that much different to a computer in terms of the nature of its function.

tell me you have no idea about doing art for a job without telling me etc


Yes, artists reference other art, but they also produce art for a specific time, place and purpose. This requires a level of knowledge, perception and skill that can't be replicated by an algorithm flinging poo poo at the wall until someone on minimum wage can pick out something that fits the brief.

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Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.





Just because we use computers as metaphors for the mind doesn't mean they're the same thing dummy

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


AI art itself is devoid of process and meaning and intent, and is therefore not real art.

The concept of AI art has come about through massive amounts of work and inspires a great deal of thought and emotion in those who interact with it, and therefore is art.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




OwlFancier posted:

I think that makes it analogous to doing art for a job then.

There's a perfectly good objection to be made about AI art just based on the practical consequences but I don't honestly find the more metaphysical arguments about the nature of creativity to be very compelling. If I do literally anything all my brain is doing is being a machine that takes in things I have been previously exposed to and regurgitates a mixture of that based on some function of the way the brain is structured. I don't really see it as being that much different to a computer in terms of the nature of its function.

The key issue is that these tools do not know they are creating art. In the same way as Stockfish doesn't know it's playing chess. It's not an AI that plays chess, it's an algorithm that produces a series of the best chess moves. Mid journey is the same, it's not an AI that makes art. It's an algorithm that creates an image which is most probably like what you wanted.

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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



greazeball posted:

tell me you have no idea about doing art for a job without telling me etc


Yes, artists reference other art, but they also produce art for a specific time, place and purpose. This requires a level of knowledge, perception and skill that can't be replicated by an algorithm flinging poo poo at the wall until someone on minimum wage can pick out something that fits the brief.

Tell me you think painting for money is a different job than shoemaking for money. You aren't protesting anything else being made by mechanisation except somehow the nice jobs, the ones people aspire to, those are a crime against humanity and an inherent evil of capitalism. Oh, there's bad biases of class and ethnicity about who gets the nice jobs? Well that doesn't bother me. Wonder why

Besides, the machines couldn't be used any other way after all. Machines are only capitalist you say. Only for hurting good people by the bad people. Better to stay as we were. Were nothing changes. No one moves, no mobility. Where the problems aren't addressed or spoken about and not fixed

Art's got nothing to do with large language models.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Ai write me a script to delete all ai chat from this thread :thanks:

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
Wasn't this thread for tweets at some point?

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Tell me you think painting for money is a different job than shoemaking for money. You aren't protesting anything else being made by mechanisation except somehow the nice jobs, the ones people aspire to, those are a crime against humanity and an inherent evil of capitalism. Oh, there's bad biases of class and ethnicity about who gets the nice jobs? Well that doesn't bother me. Wonder why

Besides, the machines couldn't be used any other way after all. Machines are only capitalist you say. Only for hurting good people by the bad people. Better to stay as we were. Were nothing changes. No one moves, no mobility. Where the problems aren't addressed or spoken about and not fixed

Art's got nothing to do with large language models.

Lol

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

syntaxfunction posted:

Wasn't this thread for tweets at some point?

Twitter died though. We're just shitposting in the ruins.

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎
https://twitter.com/CatWorkers/status/1708826638987743264

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Aramoro posted:

The key issue is that these tools do not know they are creating art. In the same way as Stockfish doesn't know it's playing chess. It's not an AI that plays chess, it's an algorithm that produces a series of the best chess moves. Mid journey is the same, it's not an AI that makes art. It's an algorithm that creates an image which is most probably like what you wanted.

I suppose I don't really believe that I am capable of "knowing" that I am doing something as opposed to being a stochastic process that from moment to moment appears to be conscious.

Certainly you couldn't tell from my posting that I am conscious :v:

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Hippocrass
Aug 18, 2015

That third panel of the first comic just makes it. It's still funny if you remove it, but that panel included just makes it top tier.

Good luck copyrighting that movie bud.

Relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WXvfeTPujU

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK_EUFwsDu0

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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Yngwie Mangosteen posted:

It's not just a little different either, there's a bunch all staged at a chapel in Houston and it's absurdly different to see them in person all arranged and together like they are than it is to see some jpgs.
My daddy got re-married in that chapel. I was a dumbass punk nerd and I could tell they were impressive paintings at the time. It was a very death-metal wedding, completely by accident.

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