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Always a great sign of your cases standing with the court when the judge has to make an aside to your counsel not to question his rulings. Wonder if he manages to get an contempt of court rulings in all of this.
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ultimately the "funny" part of all of this (if you don't count the tremendous damage he has done to the country and political apparatus) is that if he hadn't decided to run for president and then double and triple and quadruple down on every grift and lie and fraud he probably would have been fine living out the rest of his days as "billionaire Donald Trump" and not dealing with the vast majority of this poo poo but instead he pissed everyone off and drew attention to his more shady poo poo and the likelyhood of him dying in 5-10 years broke and in prison is far higher than anyone could have ever thought Flew too close to the sun...
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Simplex posted:Generally speaking he could move the Trump org out of New York to another state like Delaware or something. His New York properties are hosed, but I don't really know how much of his empire that actually makes up. I think the disconnect I'm seeing people have is that while the Trump Org is getting dissolved in New York, this affects everything the Trump Org owns anywhere. IANAL, but that's my understanding of the situation.
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FizFashizzle posted:Bad news if you wanted trump to testify. He’s on the prosecution’s witness list. If he pleads the 5th, the judge can draw a negative inference from it.
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Oct 3, 2023 18:06
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Cant stop himself trying to get people attacked. As a mob boss would do. Shitposting from the courtroom. https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1709246053977833828
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FMguru posted:I was always baffled at the way the media kept portraying him as a multi-billionaire in the 2015-6 campaign season, because it was well known that he was broke, that all of his buildings were owned by other people and just his renting his name, that every dollar he made went to service his debts. Real rich guys don't spend their days doing desperate poo poo like get-rich-quick seminars and branded MLM vitamin supplements. And yet the media kept uncritically repeating claims that he was worth $3bn or $5bn or $10bn. It was maddening. I don't disagree with your premise here, but Trump is exactly the kind of guy who would still do get-rich-quick seminars and MLM schemes even if he was as rich as he claims. This is the same guy who cashed checks sent to him worth less than fifty cents, after all.
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So what happens to all Trump Org NDA’s? They go poof, right?
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OgNar posted:Cant stop himself trying to get people attacked. I'm sorry, the clerk? Are his brains so thoroughly rotten that simply existing in a room and performing a normal-rear end job in the background draws his ire? What am I saying of course it is.
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El Spamo posted:"Every use of false financial statements in business starts the statute of limitations running again" lol so like, yesterday. It's not like all of his assets are owned by his NY companies. He's hardly out of the real estate game, though this will certainly be a big hit to him.
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Oct 3, 2023 18:37
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Nitrousoxide posted:It's not like all of his assets are owned by his NY companies. He's hardly out of the real estate game, though this will certainly be a big hit to him. Very true, it's not everything. It's definitely a big hit, and it is a good thing that there are (finally) consequences.
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I'm also not really sure how they'll handle the subsidiaries for Trump Org that are entirely out of state. They could spin those off and force him to reincorporate elsewhere, sell them, put them in permanent receivership where he has no control over them but would still get whatever profits he's entitled to as the owner, or a number of other remedies.
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Levitate posted:ultimately the "funny" part of all of this (if you don't count the tremendous damage he has done to the country and political apparatus) is that if he hadn't decided to run for president and then double and triple and quadruple down on every grift and lie and fraud he probably would have been fine living out the rest of his days as "billionaire Donald Trump" and not dealing with the vast majority of this poo poo but instead he pissed everyone off and drew attention to his more shady poo poo and the likelyhood of him dying in 5-10 years broke and in prison is far higher than anyone could have ever thought I wouldn't say everyone , hes still Orange Jesus for 55% or so of GOP voters who are in love with the idea of him owning the Libs over his obvious failures both in office and as a person. His actual greatest lasting achievement for the conservative movement is just happening to be the guy in office when 3 supreme court justices needed replacing in the span of 3.5 years, which is not something that could happen in a theoretical second term. Like maybe shitlord Thomas would retire which good luck finding a guy more corrupt than he is that'll pass a theoretical Democratic senate majority or even necessarily a GOP one even.
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Is there a good breakdown of Trumps various holdings, and which ones are subject to this ruling?
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Haystack posted:Is there a good breakdown of Trumps various holdings, and which ones are subject to this ruling? This article has a list of properties, as well as how those properties were fraudulently valued which got him into this mess. One thing I find really interesting about the article is the extent of how he had such wonky math for valuations. My favorite was him owning minority stake in a building (30%), he could sell his stake until 2044, but he treated it like a ready asset by just taking 30% of the building's profits and ignoring any debt accumulated. Alternatively he valued his golf courses by assigning an arbitrary membership fee to unsold memberships. People who bought memberships typically paid 10k a year for the memberships. The unsold memberships he valued 50 to 300% higher. Just going through this article I can best say it as "I don't own a chicken yet, but I put a deposit down on an egg that will be laid in March. I am assuming this egg will be female and the chick will begin laying a dozen eggs each day after one week of growth. Each egg I will be able to sell for 50 dollars. Each offspring hen I will get will be worth 500 dollars. No I don't have a Rooster, why do you ask? I would like to take out a loan against these yet unrealized profits. I will also sell futures on these chickens. The transactions will be handled by a nonprofit I established."
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Was Trump literally tweeting from the courtroom? Like, the judge is speechifying about important case business and he's just tap tap tapping under the table like he's bored in standup?
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Oct 3, 2023 20:11
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Failed Imagineer posted:Dude seems pissed. lol Judges will slap regular people with contempt/sanctions for just being *rude* to their staff
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Failed Imagineer posted:Dude seems pissed. lol *wank*
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El Spamo posted:I'm sorry, the clerk? Somehow, for some avoidable reason, Trump is gonna catch a contempt of court.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:19
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El Spamo posted:I'm sorry, the clerk? his principal clerk is a barred attorney that's worked for him for years and at times led questioning of trump's counsel in hearings in other words, the position isn't just some random minor bureaucrat, they don't like her for a reason
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Oct 3, 2023 21:21
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OgNar posted:Cant stop himself trying to get people attacked. The turn around time between Trump loving around and finding out is shrinking by the hour.
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Agents are GO! posted:I think the disconnect I'm seeing people have is that while the Trump Org is getting dissolved in New York, this affects everything the Trump Org owns anywhere. IANAL, but that's my understanding of the situation. Won't he just appeal, and then nothing happens until it's resolved, he appeals again, nothing happens, and appeals again?
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Oct 3, 2023 21:34
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shitposting from the courtroom, he still has the heart of a true poster
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Comstar posted:Won't he just appeal, and then nothing happens until it's resolved, he appeals again, nothing happens, and appeals again? There's a limit to how much appealing can be done, and there's also a limit to how much judges will bother to entertain an obviously spurious appeal. It might take a couple years to wrap up, but a loss will eventually hit home.
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Comstar posted:Won't he just appeal, and then nothing happens until it's resolved, he appeals again, nothing happens, and appeals again? The New York Appellate Court (our version of a Supreme Court) has already heard chunks of this case and are quite pissed. Both before the sanctions and in response. I don’t think they’re gonna have much patience for Donnie and they care enough respond quickly.
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I didn't know there was potential jailtime for violating a gag order in a *civil* trial. Wow. Good for this judge, lets hope we see the follow through when the obviously inevitable truth social post comes. Donald Trump, you better start praying! You better start asking other people to pray for you, too!
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El Spamo posted:I'm sorry, the clerk? There's a picture of the clerk with Chuck Schumer that he
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Failed Imagineer posted:Dude seems pissed. lol In their capacity as personifying the court, most actual serious judges tend to get mad pissed when you disrespect or disparage the courts authority and rules of decorum like Trump and his legal team have. Alex Jones ate poo poo for it too during his trial. IMO he's trying to bait the judge into action so he can parlay it into his usual whining about being treated unfairly, the difference being that he isn't being treated unfairly and the judge does actually have the power to do exactly the things they say they will do if he keeps disrespecting their rulings and engaging in open contempt of court so whatever political return he gets out of it from his base that will support him regardless anyway is unlikely to outweigh the personal cost of being held in contempt of court. Kale fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Oct 3, 2023 |
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parthenocarpy posted:I didn't know there was potential jailtime for violating a gag order in a *civil* trial. Wow. Good for this judge, lets hope we see the follow through when the obviously inevitable truth social post comes. Donald Trump, you better start praying! You better start asking other people to pray for you, too! Contempt of court is contempt of court.
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Kale posted:His actual greatest lasting achievement for the conservative movement is just happening to be the guy in office when 3 supreme court justices needed replacing in the span of 3.5 years Never forget that it was actually closer to 5 years.
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Ok so let's assume Trump loses the case, all assets are being sold, creditors get in line. Trump's kids have mentioned how much money they get from Russia, and it seems to be a lot. Is Russia allowed to take the money with current war sanctions? Does the US confiscate it? Does it get handed to Trump to deal with?
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Ok so let's assume Trump loses the case, all assets are being sold, creditors get in line. Presumably the money would appear in the form of a loan from a bank that the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Saudi’s have secured. But since Trump is incompetent and arrogant I also presume he’ll do it in a way that violates banking laws and we’ll be back here in 2 or 3 years.
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He already has lost the case, but sure. There’s an order to creditors (e.g. some rando glazier he stiffed goes before Unlce Sam, no poo poo) and the US government is control the whole time. There are some open questions on what’s gonna happen exactly, but it’s not like Russia can swoop in quick by calling dibs or something.
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BiggerBoat posted:There's a picture of the clerk with Chuck Schumer that he Trump hosed around and got his punk card called and backed down. That can’t sit well with such a massive narcissist. He’s got to be burning red hot when he thinks about it. Trump likes to tweet in the early morning hours and has no impulse control. I can’t wait to see what he spews out at 1am this time after stewing about it all day. Does he back down from Engoron? Just not mention him at all? Or, does he say something snarky and borderline thinking he has to play the strong man?
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Still incredible that nothing pisses him off more than stating he’s worth less than he claims. He could be framed for murder and would still rant more about how a judge valued one of his crappy buildings for a million less than whatever value rests in his brain.
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Pants Donkey posted:Still incredible that nothing pisses him off more than stating he’s worth less than he claims. He could be framed for murder and would still rant more about how a judge valued one of his crappy buildings for a million less than whatever value rests in his brain. His value is built on the brand, and the brand is built on the value. If people stop believing, the bubble pops
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BiggerBoat posted:Not really legal troubles related but this is a scathing iinside look at what a complete scumbag Trump is Please keep the discussion on Trump legal troubles, as that's what people read the thread for, and there are countless disturbing stories former Trump associates have told about him. They could fill a vast number of posts and they don't matter as much a legal issues, since those have more potential to affect his future (at least in theory...) and the stories don't tend to tell us anything new about what kind of man he is.
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Comstar posted:Won't he just appeal, and then nothing happens until it's resolved, he appeals again, nothing happens, and appeals again? also the appeals court has already ruled on some of the aspects and are clearly saying that an appeal won't work. and any higher appeals court isn't going to take up this case. the only real way to slow this down is to put forth three very unacceptable dismantlers, which trump org might actually do, but that's a short delay as the judge will appoint one. oddly trump doesn't seem at all concerned about this?
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InsertPotPun posted:the ruling in this case is required to be carried out at the same time as the appeals process. no pauses. He is incapable of realizing or understanding that the consequences apply to him, will be applied to him, and will actually matter.
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