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TehSaurus posted:I knew something inside me had changed when my reaction to news of a rescue helicopter crashing into a church was to have a hearty laugh. My wife who had shared the news with me was disturbed but has since had a few crack pings of her own. I had a chuckle imagining the video. Lmfao.
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Oct 3, 2023 18:05
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FlapYoJacks posted:I had a chuckle imagining the video. Lmfao. right? it’s so perfect!
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Oct 3, 2023 18:08
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thread mighta caught this one already but holy lol those numbers https://twitter.com/histoftech/status/1708767482129899601 look at them go up!
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Oct 3, 2023 19:18
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Wakko posted:thread mighta caught this one already but holy lol those numbers More and more convinced every day that cybernetic capitalism is the great filter in the drake equation
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Oct 3, 2023 19:24
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Idk, capitalism as specifically formulated is probably unique to humans, but between nuclear weapons and fossil fuels it's probably the general process of industrialization and accumulation that does everybody in.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:27
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FlapYoJacks posted:The urge to cream pie another human being overrides all logical thought for almost everyone. Bustin' [the planet] makes me feel good!
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Oct 3, 2023 19:32
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What is unique to humans about capitalism? The whole point of a corporation being an AI is that it doesn't matter what intelligent cells it is made up of as long as they can enact the will of the whole. Humans are just pink fleshy apes with opposable thumbs, what would stop e.g. an intelligent race of anthropomorphic hyenas (our chief rival for intelligent apex predator a very long time ago) from formulating an identical version of capitalism?
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Oct 3, 2023 19:33
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Wakko posted:thread mighta caught this one already but holy lol those numbers but you know make sure to recycle and put a brick in your cistern or you're the problem
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Oct 3, 2023 19:34
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i think in the final accounting, the only important attribute of capitalism is that on an arbitrarily long time scale, it prioritizes the accumulation of the product of labor over the ultimate survival of the laborers
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Oct 3, 2023 19:35
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cash crab posted:a friend of mine told me her friend from back home is now having kids with the express intention of, and i quote, "making sure there are good people in the world who can help," because this woman apparently believes liberal values can be passed down genetically and thinks that her kid, somehow, will be able to reverse climate change and increasingly tense global relations "WHAT IF MY CHILD IS THE ONE WHO CURES CANCER??" - hitler's mom probably
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Oct 3, 2023 19:36
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Modern capitalism is a specific product of 16th century Europe, if any economic system that prioritizes extracting value rather than ecological sustainability is "capitalism" then human society has been capitalist since the Bronze Age which is obviously nonsense. We just happen to have rolled capitalism as the dominant economic system at the time when technology allowed us to destroy our entire planet's ecology instead of just Mesopotamia's, the global nature is what's different this time - not the concept of accumulating value for an upper class at the expense of the environment and working classes. A palace economy, or hell - even a 20th century "communist" economy with productivist brainworms! - could have done the same thing.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:40
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Crazycryodude posted:Modern capitalism is a specific product of 16th century Europe, if any economic system that prioritizes extracting value rather than ecological sustainability is "capitalism" then human society has been capitalist since the Bronze Age which is obviously nonsense. We just happen to have rolled capitalism as the dominant economic system at the time when technology allowed us to destroy our entire planet's ecology instead of just Mesopotamia's, the global nature is what's different this time - not the concept of accumulating value for an upper class at the expense of the environment and working classes. A palace economy, or hell - even a 20th century communist economy with productivist brainworms! - could have done the same thing. A palace economy or communist economy could globally extinct itself but I don't think it's quite as guaranteed as with a cybernetic capitalist economy. A powerful central planning authority with objectives other than Number Go Up offers an economic bottleneck where an actual human or small group could try to avert disaster if they were so inclined. You could argue central bankers are the same thing in our society but I think making the central planning committee explicitly the servant of Number Go Up neutralizes their utility in that regard. Eg, any car can get driven off a cliff but a car without a break pedal or steering wheel is more likely to meet that ultimate fate.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:49
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Crazycryodude posted:Modern capitalism is a specific product of 16th century Europe, if any economic system that prioritizes extracting value rather than ecological sustainability is "capitalism" then human society has been capitalist since the Bronze Age which is obviously nonsense. We just happen to have rolled capitalism as the dominant economic system at the time when technology allowed us to destroy our entire planet's ecology instead of just Mesopotamia's, the global nature is what's different this time - not the concept of accumulating value for an upper class at the expense of the environment and working classes. A palace economy, or hell - even a 20th century "communist" economy with productivist brainworms! - could have done the same thing. what kind of AI did Uruk's Temple of Ishtar run
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Oct 3, 2023 19:52
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In all the actually existing "communist" economies in human history, the central planning authorities were also explicitly charged with Number Go Up as their primary goal. You're not gonna convince 1930 GosPlan members that we need to reduce carbon emissions because the polar bears will be sad in 100 years when there's still horse-drawn carts on dirt roads everywhere. Or even 1980 central planners.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:53
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Crazycryodude posted:In all the actually existing "communist" economies in human history, the central planning authorities were also explicitly charged with Number Go Up as their primary goal. You're not gonna convince 1930 GosPlan members that we need to reduce carbon emissions because the polar bears will be sad in 100 years when there's still horse-drawn carts on dirt roads everywhere. Or even 1980 central planners. ffs why did i invent this time machine then
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Oct 3, 2023 19:55
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The Oldest Man posted:More and more convinced every day that cybernetic capitalism is the great filter in the drake equation i'm going to kill you (actionable threat)
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Oct 3, 2023 19:59
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The assertion that capitalism is somehow unique to humans seems no different from people who argue against the possibility of other economic systems by claiming that all selfish behavior we observe within modern capitalism is simply intrinsic human nature and would persist in completely different social and material conditions. It just feels that way from our perspective deeply embedded in a globalized capitalist society.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:59
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I'm a biologist lmao, I promise the octopuses would also destroy the planet if they lived more than 10 years and invented steam engines. The problem is genes don't give a poo poo about preserving the environment 200 years in the future, they care about eating cheeseburgers and getting laid right now and anything after you nut is pointless to worry about. But the octopuses probably wouldn't do it via robber barons wearing top hats and calling Pinkertons on their striking octopus workers.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:04
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Wakko posted:thread mighta caught this one already but holy lol those numbers a billion gallons is like 3000 acre-feet. hoover dam's reservoir is about 30 million acre feet. the central valley project distributes 7 million acre feet a year. its 5 minutes of the mississippi's flow rate, roughly 0.001% of annular flow. this is just another example of big sounding numbers when it comes to water being extremely small sounding numbers when compared to agricultural uses.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:06
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look at this way perhaps the hardening of some branches of the tree of life from evolution through the bottleneck during the anthropomorphic desertification of the equatorial belt will allow some lineages to survive the much more threatening Pangea ultima desertification in 250 million years. silver linings
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Oct 3, 2023 20:07
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mags posted:ffs why did i invent this time machine then Go back in time and stop yourself inventing it
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Oct 3, 2023 20:08
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Crazycryodude posted:I'm a biologist lmao, I promise the octopuses would also destroy the planet if they lived more than 10 years and invented steam engines. The problem is genes don't give a poo poo about preserving the environment 200 years in the future, they care about eating cheeseburgers and getting laid right now and anything after you nut is pointless to worry about. But the octopuses probably wouldn't do it via robber barons wearing top hats and calling Pinkertons on their striking octopus workers. you heard it here folks even the octopuses have landlords let’s just fuckin boil the oceans
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Oct 3, 2023 20:08
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Microplastics posted:Go back in time and stop yourself inventing it wait, no
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Oct 3, 2023 20:10
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:someone's got to carry on my legacy through the wastelands, may as well be my son Roland the man in black fled across the desert, and the bdelloid followed
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Oct 3, 2023 20:11
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celadon posted:a billion gallons is like 3000 acre-feet. hoover dam's reservoir is about 30 million acre feet. the central valley project distributes 7 million acre feet a year. its 5 minutes of the mississippi's flow rate, roughly 0.001% of annular flow. this is just another example of big sounding numbers when it comes to water being extremely small sounding numbers when compared to agricultural uses. We're just getting started here.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:12
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Crazycryodude posted:I'm a biologist lmao, I promise the octopuses would also destroy the planet if they lived more than 10 years and invented steam engines. The problem is genes don't give a poo poo about preserving the environment 200 years in the future, they care about eating cheeseburgers and getting laid right now and anything after you nut is pointless to worry about. But the octopuses probably wouldn't do it via robber barons wearing top hats and calling Pinkertons on their striking octopus workers.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:21
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celadon posted:a billion gallons is like 3000 acre-feet. hoover dam's reservoir is about 30 million acre feet. the central valley project distributes 7 million acre feet a year. its 5 minutes of the mississippi's flow rate, roughly 0.001% of annular flow. this is just another example of big sounding numbers when it comes to water being extremely small sounding numbers when compared to agricultural uses. This is like year two of usable LLMs. Just wait until all the Bitcoin people switch their mining rigs to power their own ai
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Oct 3, 2023 20:23
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It's a lovely fall day, the leaves changing color. If you don't mind the air being a little hazy, as it has been since June or July, from the smoke drifting down from Canada. And it's a little weird being 78 degrees in October. I think back to when I moved here, in October, eleven years ago. It was snowing.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:32
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even if the amount of water is miniscule in comparison to agricultural uses, we're not doing anything useful with LLMs. at least agricultural water goes to growing something people can eat. this is just straight up waste
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Oct 3, 2023 20:35
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any organizational system is an AI, the challenge with capitalism is that our system incentives are aligned against collective benefit. i dont think there's any compelling evidence that all possible systems of incentives must be aligned against collective benefit.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:36
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Crazycryodude posted:I'm a biologist lmao, I promise the octopuses would also destroy the planet if they lived more than 10 years and invented steam engines. The problem is genes don't give a poo poo about preserving the environment 200 years in the future, they care about eating cheeseburgers and getting laid right now and anything after you nut is pointless to worry about. But the octopuses probably wouldn't do it via robber barons wearing top hats and calling Pinkertons on their striking octopus workers. doubt
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Oct 3, 2023 20:38
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The Oldest Man posted:It's really funny that people still choose to evaluate the impact that this will have on their kids as some kind of abstract ennui or moral injury and not their lives and material circumstances being shattered directly in the very near future by rising oceans, flooding cities, and everything burning to the ground this is why I refuse to get my kids a phone
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Oct 3, 2023 20:38
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moana posted:I just finished reading Children of Ruin and this is all pretty accurate except you left out the zombie brain bacteria destroying the octopus planet. Same actually! I still haven't read the third one yet though
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Oct 3, 2023 20:39
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RC Cola posted:doubt you doubt the internet biologist saying that an octopus soviet union is just as bad as we are
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Oct 3, 2023 20:40
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The Oldest Man posted:"WHAT IF MY CHILD IS THE ONE WHO CURES CANCER??" - hitler's mom probably lol
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Oct 3, 2023 20:41
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Yeah but "collective benefit" in 1850 still means burning all the coal you can dig up to spin more textiles and clearcutting all the forests you can to farm more "waste"land. It doesn't matter if there was a communist revolution in 1848 or whatever, people really like having More poo poo regardless of what economic system they live under because it's a biological imperative. You can fill SOME of that with tricking intelligent social animals into thinking that abstract ideas about solidarity etc. meet their needs better than More poo poo, but I can't imagine any economic system post-agriculture that doesn't extract excess energy from the environment for the benefits of humans because that's what agriculture is, inherently. Everything after that is just the laws of thermodynamics.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:45
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i cant imagine any other economic system either thats why i tell people who do they are wrong to do so
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Oct 3, 2023 20:47
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maximum power principle, baybee edit: Mola Yam posted:so long suckers! i rev up industrial society and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates humanity is lying completely dead on the pavement Hubbert has issued a correction as of 20:50 on Oct 3, 2023 |
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Oct 3, 2023 20:48
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For a bunch of supposed Marxists y'all sure hate being reminded of the material fact that humans were mass slash-and-burning forests and measurably increasing atmospheric carbon content as early as like 8000 BCE
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Oct 3, 2023 20:51
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okk to ogg: "better things aren't possible, bitch" *lights the Amazon on fire*
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Oct 3, 2023 20:56
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