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They just finished the last vote on boring appropriations stuff, and now they've moved on to the initial procedural vote on firing McCarthy: a motion to table Gaetz's motion to vacate. Ayes here are to throw it away and move on with their lives, nays are to open the blood gates. It's near-certain to fail, but it'll take a while. After that, if my copy of the House calendar is correct, we're scheduled for one hour of mere anarchy being loosed upon the world, followed by a vote to drown the ceremony of innocence.
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Quorum posted:They just finished the last vote on boring appropriations stuff, and now they've moved on to the initial procedural vote on firing McCarthy: a motion to table Gaetz's motion to vacate. Ayes here are to throw it away and move on with their lives, nays are to open the blood gates. It's near-certain to fail, but it'll take a while. After that, if my copy of the House calendar is correct, we're scheduled for one hour of mere anarchy being loosed upon the world, followed by a vote to drown the ceremony of innocence. So whats the calculus on Republicans who would vote against the Motion to table but vote for McCarthy? Because we already have 10 republicans voting Nay
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Oct 3, 2023 19:37
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Quorum posted:They just finished the last vote on boring appropriations stuff, and now they've moved on to the initial procedural vote on firing McCarthy: a motion to table Gaetz's motion to vacate. Ayes here are to throw it away and move on with their lives, nays are to open the blood gates. It's near-certain to fail, but it'll take a while. After that, if my copy of the House calendar is correct, we're scheduled for one hour of mere anarchy being loosed upon the world, followed by a vote to drown the ceremony of innocence. They already have 10 nays for tabling, though I think some fraction of that probably want to move on to the vote to hopefully end it and move on. Tabling just kicks the pain down the road til later? Or, correct me on this, is tabling indefinite until re-motioned? Not a house rules geek.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:39
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Yiggy posted:They already have 10 nays for tabling, though I think some fraction of that probably want to move on to the vote to hopefully end it and move on. Tabling just kicks the pain down the road til later? Or, correct me on this, is tabling indefinite until re-motioned? Not a house rules geek. Tabling kills it.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:40
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Youth Decay posted:Tabling kills it. Seems like a bad sign for McCarthy then 
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Oct 3, 2023 19:43
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The Glumslinger posted:So whats the calculus on Republicans who would vote against the Motion to table but vote for McCarthy? Because we already have 10 republicans voting Nay That would be very silly; I'd expect any Rs voting against tabling to be diehard anti-McCarthys (because tabling the motion is identical to voting to keep McCarthy, plus it saves a small amount of time and embarrassment). This is probably a good preview of the roll call on the motion to vacate.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:45
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The Glumslinger posted:So whats the calculus on Republicans who would vote against the Motion to table but vote for McCarthy? Because we already have 10 republicans voting Nay The only reason to do this is to stand up and publicly declare that they're huge fans of McCarthy in particular by performatively supporting him when they otherwise wouldn't have to. Literally no one in Congress feels this way
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Oct 3, 2023 19:47
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Is there any reason to believe an hour of debate will actually convince some of those Republicans who voted against tabling the motion to fold? Even if none of them went into this planning to switch sides, I have to assume they'll be under the glare of the other Republicans this whole time until the vote goes through. It feels a bit like even if they eventually decided to put Kevin back in the Speakership, they'd want to officially vacate him at least once just for the show of strength, right?
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Oct 3, 2023 19:56
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Kevin McCarthy is a moron and this is very entertaining, but I suspect that in the end it won’t be good for anyone.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:01
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Dolash posted:Is there any reason to believe an hour of debate will actually convince some of those Republicans who voted against tabling the motion to fold? Even if none of them went into this planning to switch sides, I have to assume they'll be under the glare of the other Republicans this whole time until the vote goes through. No, there's absolutely no situation in which an hour of debate convinces anyone of anything. If Tom Cole uses his entire half hour to pull out letters from God, Jesus, and George Washington personally endorsing Kevin McCarthy as speaker of the house it probably still wouldn't change anything. The hour of debate is basically just for cosplaying as a deliberative body and getting your sound bites in.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:01
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Ogmius815 posted:Kevin McCarthy is a moron and this is very entertaining, but I suspect that in the end it won’t be good for anyone. It will at least be very funny if they wind up voting him back in a week from now with all the reps who say he can't be trusted to keep his promises then saying "well, he's promised me XYZ, so ..."
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Oct 3, 2023 20:03
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Quorum posted:They just finished the last vote on boring appropriations stuff, and now they've moved on to the initial procedural vote on firing McCarthy: a motion to table Gaetz's motion to vacate. Ayes here are to throw it away and move on with their lives, nays are to open the blood gates. It's near-certain to fail, but it'll take a while. After that, if my copy of the House calendar is correct, we're scheduled for one hour of mere anarchy being loosed upon the world, followed by a vote to drown the ceremony of innocence. My vote for speaker goes to the widening gyre. But seriously, who the gently caress even WANTS this job? It's basically a political bomb collar that barely even comes with prestige.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:05
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PostNouveau posted:It will at least be very funny if they wind up voting him back in a week from now with all the reps who say he can't be trusted to keep his promises then saying "well, he's promised me XYZ, so ..." The thing is, he had to sign the devil's bargain to get elected in the first place. It's very unlikely he'd accept that bargain again if he's renominated, and if he's booted I'm not sure he'll be able to whip enough votes to win without more major concessions.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:06
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Blue Footed Booby posted:My vote for speaker goes to the widening gyre. Kevin McCarthy wants it. Or at least he did. No idea why.
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I do agree with Democrats doing what they’re doing, though. The “bad thing” is not what’s happening today, but rather the GOP having a majority in this chamber at all. This type of chaos, and the worse chaos that will probably follow, became virtually guaranteed at that point. There’s no saving McCarthy from the nut jobs in the house majority now, so we might as well be rid of him.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:08
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Blue Footed Booby posted:My vote for speaker goes to the widening gyre. Somebody let me know when the blood-dimmed tide is loosed
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Blue Footed Booby posted:But seriously, who the gently caress even WANTS this job? It's basically a political bomb collar that barely even comes with prestige. Someone with an ironclad plan to evoke the line of succession. 
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Oct 3, 2023 20:11
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Oh, man. One extra Republican who was not expected to vote against McCarthy is now voting to oust him because he told a reporter that he was "praying on it" when asked how he would vote, McCarthy called him to confirm he would be supporting him and yelled at him for giving a non-answer because praying was just stalling. https://twitter.com/josephzeballos/status/1709276655254904972 On the one hand, it feels like this guy was looking for a reason to oust him and God probably wasn't going to give him a clear answer. On the other hand, it is impressive that McCarthy is still managing to actively burn bridges during the actual vote.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:12
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Cimber posted:The thing is, he had to sign the devil's bargain to get elected in the first place. It's very unlikely he'd accept that bargain again if he's renominated, and if he's booted I'm not sure he'll be able to whip enough votes to win without more major concessions. He couldn't even propose the bargain again. He went back on so many of his promises and pissed off so many people with that deal that nobody's trusting him.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:13
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Tempest_56 posted:He couldn't even propose the bargain again. He went back on so many of his promises and pissed off so many people with that deal that nobody's trusting him. Its almost like running things is hard. Its much easier to throw bombs from the sidelines than do your job. Also, lets not forget that the speaker of the house is the third in line for the presidency.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:15
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:On the one hand, it feels like this guy was looking for a reason to oust him and God probably wasn't going to give him a clear answer. Fantastic rake stomping.
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Slowpoke! posted:5 R’s making Jeffries speaker would be a hilarious strategy. They could still vote R and stymie the D agenda, and campaign on Dem’s not being able to fix anything having full control of Congress. It won’t happen, but it would be funny. The Full Communism Now Act would get stymied, but there's a ton of things that Republicans don't like that could get passed if allowed a vote by the entire house
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Oct 3, 2023 20:16
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Oh, man. Yeah, burning bridges with God himself, seemingly.
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I hear McCarthy is in the process of getting owned. At least the funding is there for the rank and file civil servants cause this congress is effectively over 10 months in.
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Kale posted:I hear McCarthy is in the process of getting owned. At least the funding is there for the rank and file civil servants cause this congress is effectively over 10 months in. I mean, until mid November I guess. Looks like a thanksgiving shutdown to me!
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Oct 3, 2023 20:23
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Oh, man. "Oh god, give me a sign whether to support this man" "Mr Representative, Speaker McCarthy is on the phone and is saying to knock off the phony god shtick and vote for him"
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Blue Footed Booby posted:My vote for speaker goes to the widening gyre. I'll be speaker and complete no-show it
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Oct 3, 2023 20:24
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When McCarthy gets the boot again, I wonder if the Republicans will trot out the Trump for Speaker plan again
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Speaker of the House has a constitutionally mandated salary, is the third highest paid elected official in the country, and doesn't have to be a member of Congress. if you could somehow scam a majority of the House into letting you be a no-show speaker, then that would be a pretty sweet gig because there is no legal way to stop paying you besides a constitutional amendment.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Speaker of the House has a constitutionally mandated salary, is the third highest paid elected official in the country, and doesn't have to be a member of Congress. I don't think 1 and 3 can be true at the same time, the relevant parts of article 1 and the 27th amendment specifically refer to "senators and representatives" so they may not cover a speaker who is not a representative
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Wouldn't most folks in the position to become Speaker already have considerable investments and the like?
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Oct 3, 2023 20:30
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Gaetz - "No one wants to shut the government down" lol
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haveblue posted:I don't think 1 and 3 can be true at the same time, the relevant parts of article 1 and the 27th amendment specifically refer to "senators and representatives" so they may not cover a speaker who is not a representative The Speaker has a separate salary from regular members of Congress. The Speaker gets $223,500 per year. Regular members get $174,000 per year. The 27th amendment has never been taken to court over something like that and it would be an interesting case. The Speaker is considered a member of the House, but the literal text just says "Representatives."
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The Glumslinger posted:When McCarthy gets the boot again, I wonder if the Republicans will trot out the Trump for Speaker plan again I'm honestly willing to bet this is Gaetz' plan all along.
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A very official graphic checking who is voting to oust KMac: https://twitter.com/haleytalbotcnn/status/1709262930988998748 There's six in the yes column and more in the undecided but big mad column, so he's probably done for.
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Oct 3, 2023 20:41
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I love how this debate keeps breaking into border control.
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In related fun, there are reports that the NY judge running Trump's civil fraud trial has issued a gag order after Trump attacked the clerk of the court, including releasing her phone number on Truth Social. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4236476-new-york-judge-issues-gag-order-after-trump-attacks-clerk-on-truth-social/ Smart move, Donald. Piss off the one guy who gets to decide your fate.
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Gonna laugh when Pelosi saves him with her absence.
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JosefStalinator posted:Gonna laugh when Pelosi saves him with her absence. I mean, if the margins are that slim, Gaetz would just file it the motion to vacate once more Dems are back in DC
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