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Fall Dog posted:This reminded me of the Toyota TJ Cruiser concept van, which would be excellent if they decided to make it (and as an EV). Somebody designed the totally normal and practical minivan, and then put it on 25 inch wheels
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Put in an order for a EX30, which would be our first fully electric car. Price range was just right, and wife fell in love with the design. Wondering whether 10% cost increase to go the Ultra trim makes sense just for a panoramic roof, electric seats and 360 cameras, but I'm leaning no so far.
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mobby_6kl posted:
More important than that, does a mattress fit back there? because it sure looks like it does
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If that’s like the Honda Element I remember that had some really low load limit for passengers and cargo, like 800lbs, which is like 3 average Americans. Probably due to lack of B pillar support.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:probably because they were making negative money on the car previously I wonder if they're trying to avoid being too harshly punished by the EUs anti-subsidy investigation now that they've got a foothold in the market. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-von-der-leyen-anti-subsidy-investigation-into-chinese-e-cars/
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Sitting in a Nissan dealership, getting the old Frontier serviced. Will test drive an Arya and whatever Leaf is still on the lot. The Arya in the showroom is $63K without dealer markup. Gotta imagine they're not selling many. Not really a knock on the car, it looks nice enough, just holy cow, that price is brutal.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Fuckit, doing bikechat I've ridden a few spezzy ebikes and they're brilliant machines. Even powered down with no assist I can ride the carbon creo at 20mph easier than my carbon mtb at 15mph... Please do a update on your ownership experience. Thoughts on the regular tcu vs mastermind tcu? I haven't seen many failures of either system yet, just the early future shock. People seem to really love the e-assist system. Here they're rated for up to 28mph/45kph without an unlock which is brilliant for commuting and other shenanigans. Hilarity is that they make like half the torque of my liter sized dirtbike. For the cost of a used leaf it's a much better buy than a leaf imo. The "range extender" is this bottle shaped thing that goes in the cage that plugs into the charging socket. It's all 48V and doesn't seem to give a gently caress about the details like Coulomb counting. A selling point for me would be to buy the alloy then build a pop in battery that fills the frame triangle for a rude amount of range or towing capacity with duty cycle rivaling that of a superduty cursedshitbox fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Oct 3, 2023 |
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priznat posted:Are DIN radios still a thing? Can’t remember the last time I have seen a car with one, EV or not. Most chinese imports do have 2din units, also a lot of late 2000s cars have conversion kits from their OEM dash to 2din to fit an android head instead. I think the cut off period is late 2010, where the infotainment started being a tablet bolted in the car.
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Failson posted:Sitting in a Nissan dealership, getting the old Frontier serviced. Will test drive an Arya and whatever Leaf is still on the lot.  I saw this tweet and my first thought wasn’t “oh poo poo, Big Three CEO pay is insanely high compared to the rest of the industry” it was “I’m not sure that Nissan should really be paying their CEO double what Honda does”
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I never understood these arguments. Let's take Ford, with $21mil, which is a lot, I'll admit. But Ford is a big company: Google has Ford with 186,000 employees. If we fire the CEO and split that salary up equally, then everyone at the company gets an extra $112.90 per year.
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weird to leave off Matthias Mueller (~$12M), the CEO of the 2nd largest auto manufacturer in the world. also calling Stellantis a US automaker is... an interesting choice. Less than half of Stellantis' revenue comes from North America, it's a Dutch headquartered company, and the head guy is a European living in Europe. Kill and eat the rich, and obviously workers should be compensated more, but I think scale of auto OEMs just kind of breaks peoples' minds. If I took Stellantis' total employees and reduce Tavares' pay to Honda levels, freeing 22 million dollars in salary, and distribute it evenly among stellantis' 272,000 global employees, everyone will get 80 dollars. e:f,b by Cruft. at least I chose a different company.
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Ok Comboomer posted:
Those figures probably omit tens of millions each in stock grants, options, deferred comp, perks and countless other arcane comp structures that only c levels get. Like when a ceo publicly cuts their salary to $1 doesn't everyone know that that's complete bullshit by now?
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Also, there's not just the ceo making huge bucks while the rest of the c suite and upper management have modest salaries. Something to keep in mind if the argument is splitting just the ceo's salary to every employee wouldn't change very much; the ceo is just shorthand for the upper levels of the organization, all grossly overcompensated.
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It’s an easy thing to point out the ridiculous CEO pay for soundbites that’s why it happens. More pointing out the systemic issues rather than a straight up should have this divvied up among employees. I wonder if the rest of the executive pay at a certain level follows, like are senior VPs/Directors also getting millions upon millions? How top heavy is the payscale? ^^ exactly this
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cruft posted:I never understood these arguments. Let's take Ford, with $21mil, which is a lot, I'll admit. But Ford is a big company: Google has Ford with 186,000 employees. Sounds good to me. Maybe a CEO shouldn’t be getting any money until every one of their employees makes a living comfortable wage? Hell, make it a law that a CEO only gets to earn what the lowest earner in the company makes. gently caress em.
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cruft posted:I never understood these arguments. Let's take Ford, with $21mil, which is a lot, I'll admit. But Ford is a big company: Google has Ford with 186,000 employees. Pretty sure it’s a shorthand for other kinds of executive and shareholder compensation/profit division/etc at the expense of worker salary or job security, etc Pretty sure that former labor secretary, member of three presidential administrations, and professor of economic policy at UC Berkeley, Harvard, and Brandeis Robert Reich knows how corporations work But leave it to EV Thread to “well actually…” criticisms about rich people getting paid too much while paying their employees too little. Just a bunch of Three Oliveses pretending that they’re better than the OG but they’re really not trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Oct 3, 2023 |
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Jay Leno drives the Tesla Semi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMKySYs-hCg He obviously doesn't know a thing about trucking and isn't really a critic but he's the first "outsider" I've seen have a go in one. Nothing really new or unexpected that I noticed. I still have no idea why that cab needs to be that large if it doesn't have a sleeper.
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Magic Underwear posted:Those figures probably omit tens of millions each in stock grants, options, deferred comp, perks and countless other arcane comp structures that only c levels get. Like when a ceo publicly cuts their salary to $1 doesn't everyone know that that's complete bullshit by now? That's total comp not just salary, at least for Mueller. Includes all the weird stuff. priznat posted:It’s an easy thing to point out the ridiculous CEO pay for soundbites that’s why it happens. More pointing out the systemic issues rather than a straight up should have this divvied up among employees. It's kind of interesting. Auto people don't make FAANG money or anything like that at a senior level. A million or two is pretty accurate for direct reports that have a huge span of control and responsibility.
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On second thought, naw.
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Ok Comboomer posted:But leave it to EV Thread to “well actually…” criticisms about rich people getting paid too much while paying their employees too little. Just a bunch of Three Oliveses pretending that they’re better than the OG but they’re really not settle down
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cruft posted:I never understood these arguments. Let's take Ford, with $21mil, which is a lot, I'll admit. But Ford is a big company: Google has Ford with 186,000 employees. CEO Pay is the easiest thing to point to because it's obviously unfair, so it makes a good propaganda piece, but in reality, if you want to soak the rich to improve the lives of those at the bottom of the company you want to slash things like stock grants, stock buybacks, and executive pay across the board.
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cruft posted:I never understood these arguments. Let's take Ford, with $21mil, which is a lot, I'll admit. But Ford is a big company: Google has Ford with 186,000 employees. Supersized CEO pay is emblematic of too-high executive compensation practices in general, and the CEO is not the only executive at the company. hth Ok Comboomer posted:But leave it to EV Thread to “well actually…” criticisms about rich people getting paid too much while paying their employees too little. Just a bunch of Three Oliveses pretending that they’re better than the OG but they’re really not Eat a dick
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lol call somebody “a Three Olives” and the claws really come out
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The post you were responding to was pretty innocuous but boy you sure owned the EV thread
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Vegetable posted:The post you were responding to was pretty innocuous but boy you sure owned the EV thread my post was pretty innocuous too but leave it to SA’s wildlife refuge of resident Tesla owners to go DEFCON 1 butthurt at the drop of a hat (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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If i wanted to don the tinfoil hat, the lower ceo wages for Japanese brands is a post Ghosn change to avoid looking bad at the investor meetings.
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SlowBloke posted:If i wanted to don the tinfoil hat, the lower ceo wages for Japanese brands is a post Ghosn change to avoid looking bad at the investor meetings. I think Americans also just use money as a proxy for power and status in a way that Japanese executives at well-established megacorps probably don’t Like the whole corporate culture and structure is such that you can simultaneously make way less money and still wield more power and command more respect than a comparable US executive
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Ok Comboomer posted:my post was pretty innocuous too but leave it to SA’s wildlife refuge of resident Tesla owners to go DEFCON 1 butthurt at the drop of a hat people in a generally left-leaning forum get really pissed when you accuse them of being shills for the rich? that's not very surprising, don't go all  at the lack of decorum in people's reactions
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No three olives. No three olives. You’re the three olives. No, you’re the three olives.
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bird with big dick posted:No three olives. No three olives. You’re the three olives. No, you’re the three olives. we’re all yelling at those kids when we post
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Freezer posted:Put in an order for a EX30, which would be our first fully electric car. Price range was just right, and wife fell in love with the design. Wondering whether 10% cost increase to go the Ultra trim makes sense just for a panoramic roof, electric seats and 360 cameras, but I'm leaning no so far. So what’s the commitment of an order? Do you have to put some non refundable money down? Because you haven’t been able to test drive it yet, right?
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Bus posting. I told a co-worker I was on a thing with wheels that go round and round, round and round, round and round. She had no idea what I meant. Kids today indeed.
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cruft posted:I never understood these arguments. Let's take Ford, with $21mil, which is a lot, I'll admit. But Ford is a big company: Google has Ford with 186,000 employees. The issue is more that execs/ CEO pay keeps climbing to utterly absurd levels while their workers get underpaid and are being pressured to work harder while their pay is being shredded by inflation. Sure it wouldnt give everyone a lot to split up unjust compensation of the C-Suite (no one is worth 10 figure salaries, full stop and high 9 figure is clearly bullshit too) but exec pay being eyebleeding and seemingly immune to being reined in while workers get poo poo is the problem that Reich is highlighting
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The issue is more that execs/ CEO pay keeps climbing to utterly absurd levels while their workers get underpaid and are being pressured to work harder while their pay is being shredded by inflation. Sure it wouldnt give everyone a lot to split up unjust compensation of the C-Suite (no one is worth 10 figure salaries, full stop and high 9 figure is clearly bullshit too) but exec pay being eyebleeding and seemingly immune to being reined in while workers get poo poo is the problem that Reich is highlighting Yeah, I'm sorry I made that post. Clearly the US has a problem with income inequality and economic mobility across the country, not just in automotive manufacturing, although that's what we're currently talking about at the national level. It really was a "well actually" even if the way I said it could have been interpreted at naïvete. I'm kinda glad I got gently called out. It didn't really feel like the thread flew off the rails or anything, though. Y'all are a nice group to post with, thanks for indulging me in being an idiot from time to time.
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How dare someone call us three olives. I'm at least worth four olives
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I make an olive and my boss makes three, that's why he drives the mustang mach e
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Huge lol to whining about legacy automaker CEO compensation in relation to worker compensation in the EV thread.
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Honky Mao posted:I make an olive and my boss makes three, that's why he drives the mustang mach e lmao
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Honky Mao posted:I make an olive and my boss makes three, that's why he drives the mustang mach e Wait what’s the character limit on thread titles again?
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Ornery and Hornery posted:So what’s the commitment of an order? Do you have to put some non refundable money down? I put it early enough that it's fully refundable, around 2.8k USD. Free wall charger too. (Note: I don't live in the US right now) Edit: I got to drive around a XC40 which, granted, is a lot more expensive as a car, but I liked the feel of driving it a lot. Freezer fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Oct 3, 2023 |
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