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the_steve posted:He does the same thing that any good cult leader does; He starts off small, eases you in with stuff that DOES make sense and is plausible to believe, and then works you up to the batshit portions of the ideology while still centered around that sensible core. When does the nonsensical part start
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Byzantine posted:When does the nonsensical part start Probably the bit where they make soap out of liposuction waste, that's where you should really start asking yourself some questions
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Asterite34 posted:Probably the bit where they make soap out of liposuction waste, that's where you should really start asking yourself some questions Small business ventures are the backbone of America
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Asterite34 posted:Probably the bit where they make soap out of liposuction waste, that's where you should really start asking yourself some questions Waste not want not
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"Selling people their discarded body products back at a premium" is pure capitalist thought, Durden tried to fit in.
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Old Surly posted:The Cherry Poppin Daddies I hadn’t thought about them in a long while, but Jesus Christ that name.
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Old Surly posted:The Cherry Poppin Daddies You mean to tell me rock stars were the real groomers?
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big mean giraffe posted:You mean to tell me rock stars were the real groomers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9awpv5BnSc
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Byzantine posted:When does the nonsensical part start Gotta make sure the CEOs and other execs are still in the buildings while everyone else is out
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This thread made me watch Fight Club tonight. I expected to see a story about how men who feel left behind by the hell world we live in turn to extremism but all I got was a crippling fear of gas explosions and airplane crashes.
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emSparkly posted:This thread made me watch Fight Club tonight. I expected to see a story about how men who feel left behind by the hell world we live in turn to extremism but all I got was a crippling fear of gas explosions and airplane crashes. Fight Club is a comedy. It's crazy that anyone could take some great message from it, because it's all so silly and a bigger fantasy than Star Wars. But I really like it, it takes that late 90's-Radiohead-technofear-grimdark-end of history thing and puts a bunch of idiots in it, bumbling around in dumpsters and alleyways and incompetently beating each other up.
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Chrpno posted:Fight Club is a comedy. It's crazy that anyone could take some great message from it, because it's all so silly and a bigger fantasy than Star Wars. But I really like it, it takes that late 90's-Radiohead-technofear-grimdark-end of history thing and puts a bunch of idiots in it, bumbling around in dumpsters and alleyways and incompetently beating each other up. On the one hand it's aged so well it hurts. We sorta have Fight Club and Project Mayhem and Tyler Durden IRL but we know them as 4chan, the proud boys, and Andrew Tate. On the other hand there's a scene where Ed Norton beats himself up like that one part in SpongeBob where Patrick loses a fight on purpose, and it's very funny.
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The trick is that toxic masculinity is stupid, absurd and ridiculous while also being horrifying and ubiquitous, and there's still not good or easy answers to it.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The trick is that toxic masculinity is stupid, absurd and ridiculous while also being horrifying and ubiquitous, and there's still not good or easy answers to it. what do you think estrogen is for
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One of the bigger problems in responding to fascism is that it’s stupid and silly beyond belief. And yet it’s dangerous and has to be taken seriously.
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It really does nail that dichotomy. Even when people are getting killed and poo poo the wannabe skinheads are all giggling like the larping nerds they really are and repeating their dumb little catchphrases.
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john Mulaney came up with a great metaphor for fascists in power when Trump was president - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhkZMxgPxXU
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Drug abuser John Mulaney was hilarious. It’s good he kicked the habit but it’s also a shame.
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emSparkly posted:This thread made me watch Fight Club tonight. I expected to see a story about how men who feel left behind by the hell world we live in turn to extremism but all I got was a crippling fear of gas explosions and airplane crashes.
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oldpainless posted:Drug abuser John Mulaney was hilarious. It’s good he kicked the habit but it’s also a shame. ? He relapsed in 2020.
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pentyne posted:? He relapsed in 2020. He then had an intervention, unless he relapsed again since his latest special. He has a new special on Netflix from a few months ago talking openly about it.
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BioEnchanted posted:He then had an intervention, unless he relapsed again since his latest special. He has a new special on Netflix from a few months ago talking openly about it. no i mean at no point was he putting out specials while he was using, the relapse according to him started during early 2020 covid shutdowns there's several interviews/podcasts/talk show appearances where people are convinced he was high as poo poo but otherwise he wasn't doing much comedy
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Violet_Sky posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seriously,_Dude,_I%27m_Gay Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_IYrltqYrU
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emSparkly posted:On the one hand it's aged so well it hurts. We sorta have Fight Club and Project Mayhem and Tyler Durden IRL but we know them as 4chan, the proud boys, and Andrew Tate. Fight Club is based on the cacophony society which is fairly left leaning as a whole but does have some libertarian tech bro membership. I don’t think they beat each other up though, that was Chuck Palalananauk’s homoerotic male bonding fantasy. Of course IRL it would have been over in a few weeks when someone dies. I haven’t been able to take the movie seriously after getting old and getting my war and depression listening to Jack monologue about the awful life of a man who got a business degree, stable job, and through his own lack of discipline becomes a depressed insomniac ultra-consumer. Also the part where a dehydrated peak brad pit comments on masculine body imagery in advertising. I still like the movie but I can’t think too hard about what’s going on.
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Internet Old One posted:Fight Club is based on the cacophony society which is fairly left leaning as a whole but does have some libertarian tech bro membership. I don’t think they beat each other up though, that was Chuck Palalananauk’s homoerotic male bonding fantasy. Of course IRL it would have been over in a few weeks when someone dies. There’s a reason so many people in the late 90s made movies about how capitalism causes spiritual death and loss of meaning, and that further present widespread spiritual death or loss of meaning as related to the end of the world and the collapse of society. They may not have been able to imagine an alternative to the end of the world, as the man said, but it’s no surprise that so many people could only imagine the end of history era as ultimately collapsing or exploding as its inherent contradictions became manifest. I’d put the X-Files in that category, and Metal Gear Solid II, and maybe like the Ninth Gate or American Psycho. The Matrix has already been discussed. Some of the focus on the collapse of civilization was simple millenarianism, and some was just trend-jumping, but the film of the era knows something real is wrong and that they’re living in a negative peace that will explode. It wasn’t a comfortable time because people had a sense it wouldn’t last, even if they couldn’t articulate why. A lot of art from that time has some idea that everyone is living on the precipice of something terrible, which was true. It really couldn’t last.
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Some of the most financially successful movies have been about the negative aspects of capitalism. Makes ya think
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oldpainless posted:Some of the most financially successful movies have been about the negative aspects of capitalism. According to a certain SA poster I believe you mean "some of the objectively best movies," chief.
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I believe in the theory that Marla Singer represents the narrator's feminine side, as Tyler Durden represents their masculine side. She is just as much in the narrator's head as Tyler is; nobody in the movie interacts with her other than the narrator and Tyler; not the men of Project Mayhem, not the people in the testicular cancer support group, nobody. There's a lot of focus on body modification (e.g. liposuction), especially testicles and castration (e.g. the testicular cancer support group, the scene where Tyler threatens to cut off the rich dude's balls). The constant bit about "I am Jack's [organ]" is the narrator obsessing about their body. And of course there's Robert Paulson, the guy with "bitch tits". So yeah, Fight Club is, according to this interpretation, an allegory about the narrator being transgender. Their middle-class ennui is rooted in dysphoria, but they don't realize it. They search around desperately for the problem, attending support groups for lots of different things to try and find someone else to confide in, but it doesn't work for very long - their feminine side, Marla, keeps popping up. Because of the transphobia they've internalized from society, they rebel against those feelings, and try to compensate (as some "eggs" do) by going hard on their gender-assigned-at-birth. But in the end they realize that that's only making things worse, and they only find peace when they abandon masculinity entirely and embrace femininity, by literally killing Tyler and holding Marla's hand as the movie ends. Idk whether that interpretation is intended by the filmmakers, but it seems compelling to me. Also, I haven't read the book so idk whether it fits in to the same interpretation.
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Chrpno posted:Yeah but the guy shoots himself in the head but he's ok CBT Cranial Bullet Therapy
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Chrpno posted:Yeah but the guy shoots himself in the head but he's ok Yeah he does it badly, puts the gun in his mouth but angled shallow and blows a hole in his own cheek.
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HopperUK posted:Yeah he does it badly, puts the gun in his mouth but angled shallow and blows a hole in his own cheek. Sounds good, I'll give it a try, should be holding a girl and making philosophical quips in no time!
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And then they get a comic series where Tyler starts world war 3 and kills his author.
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Chrpno posted:Yeah but the guy shoots himself in the head but he's ok I….don’t know where you’d get the idea he’s okay. He’s missing half his face. It’s a lot like how society keeps limping along despite everything being complained about and raged against in the movie. It’s really not fuckin subtle here. DontMockMySmock posted:I believe in the theory that Marla Singer represents the narrator's feminine side, as Tyler Durden represents their masculine side. She is just as much in the narrator's head as Tyler is; nobody in the movie interacts with her other than the narrator and Tyler; not the men of Project Mayhem, not the people in the testicular cancer support group, nobody. I read the book but years before seeing the movie and decades before coming out, but Fight Club is a movie that is just 95% gender issues by volume in a way that’s really hard to ignore if you’ve dealt with anything like that yourself.
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