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Benne: Sep 2, 2011; STOP DOING HEROIN

Maybe a guy who missed nearly the entire 2022 season and most of training camp isn't quite up to speed on a pro field yet.

Instead of "using him wrong" they might just be using him as much as they trust him, which is clearly very little right now.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 15:11

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# ? May 31, 2024 00:10

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Yeah, it's sort of telling that people I saw elsewhere baying for blood on the Witherspoon selection have effortlessly moved their focus to JSN haha

# ? Oct 3, 2023 15:46

EmbryoSteve: Dec 18, 2004; Taste~The~Rainbow

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Benne posted:

Maybe a guy who missed nearly the entire 2022 season and most of training camp isn't quite up to speed on a pro field yet.

Instead of "using him wrong" they might just be using him as much as they trust him, which is clearly very little right now.

I wonder if it is a geno thing bc when lock came in they were throwing it down the field to JSN. Dunno, they have a history of getting players and then not using them to their strengths imo (Harvin, graham) .
Could b3 he's getting up to speed. Could be he sucks. Could be that they don't trust him. But feels bad the number 20 overall and first Wideout taken is a nonfactor quarter of the way in

Charbonnet looks baller tho.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 17:01

Manoueverable: Oct 23, 2010; Dubs Loves Wubs

I mean, a lot of why people talked up JSN as a draft pick was that he could be the short to intermediate target across the middle that we've lacked. If he's not being put in that position, I'm thinking some of the blame there might lay at Waldron's feet as well.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 17:18

shirts and skins: Jun 25, 2007; Good morning!

I think part of it has been the injured O line. on the intermediate to short game it's basically a target competition between JSN and the tight ends. well, if you're missing four starting linemen you're probably going to want your TEs in there a *lot*. and to his great credit Waldron has been using them really well. but I don't think we're going to see a ton of 11 personnel until the starting tackles are back.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 17:53

Leperflesh: May 17, 2007

Hawks fans should be happy with a win but that was a messy game. Geno needed to calm the gently caress down about the dude who tackled him wrong, there was a lot of sloppy play and penalties, the team seems to be winning based on individual talent with some very talented players but I am not impressed with their ability to cleanly execute plays. A lot of the damage last night was done by the giants committing penalties and being poo poo, not by the seahawks being excellent.

There were some weird coaching decisions. Like right before the half, running six running plays and then letting the last 19 seconds tick down on a 3rd and 1 at the 32 yard line with two time outs left? Why did you run those plays, if you wanted to try for a score you could throw the ball or stop the clock, if you didn't you could just kneel out the last 40 seconds after one play. Or the turnover on downs on the first drive of the third quarter, they had 4th and 1 and the geno incomplete pass looked like a low-chance play, why would you not just run the ball there? Or take the field goal, you're on the NYG 15 yard line and the score is 14-3, a field goal is hardly meaningless here.

NYG then did a full field drive that looked pretty good, Witherspoons' interception and 97 yard TD changed the game but you can't count on that kind of play to happen and without it, Giants are likely closing to within 4 points and maintaining momentum. That was the play that kind of took the life out of them and after that it was just clowning on a defeated team.

Anyway a win's a win obviously but I would not be looking at that performance and predicting they'll win their next five games.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 18:28

its all nice on rice: Nov 12, 2006; Sweet, Salty Goodness.; Buglord

Leperflesh posted:

Hawks fans should be happy with a win but that was a messy game. Geno needed to calm the gently caress down about the dude who tackled him wrong, there was a lot of sloppy play and penalties, the team seems to be winning based on individual talent with some very talented players but I am not impressed with their ability to cleanly execute plays. A lot of the damage last night was done by the giants committing penalties and being poo poo, not by the seahawks being excellent.

There were some weird coaching decisions. Like right before the half, running six running plays and then letting the last 19 seconds tick down on a 3rd and 1 at the 32 yard line with two time outs left? Why did you run those plays, if you wanted to try for a score you could throw the ball or stop the clock, if you didn't you could just kneel out the last 40 seconds after one play. Or the turnover on downs on the first drive of the third quarter, they had 4th and 1 and the geno incomplete pass looked like a low-chance play, why would you not just run the ball there? Or take the field goal, you're on the NYG 15 yard line and the score is 14-3, a field goal is hardly meaningless here.

NYG then did a full field drive that looked pretty good, Witherspoons' interception and 97 yard TD changed the game but you can't count on that kind of play to happen and without it, Giants are likely closing to within 4 points and maintaining momentum. That was the play that kind of took the life out of them and after that it was just clowning on a defeated team.

Anyway a win's a win obviously but I would not be looking at that performance and predicting they'll win their next five games.

Yeah. We're all excited about the defensive performance against a backup OL and overpaid QB.
Meanwhile, the offense looked pretty unimpressive outside of a few solid performances. They were completely unable to capitalize on momentum or field position and only scored 3 points in the second half. 17 offensive points total. 7 of those came off a turnover that ended up in the red zone.
Totally agree about some baffling coaching decisions, too.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 19:09

EmbryoSteve: Dec 18, 2004; Taste~The~Rainbow

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Leperflesh posted:

Hawks fans should be happy with a win but that was a messy game. Geno needed to calm the gently caress down about the dude who tackled him wrong, there was a lot of sloppy play and penalties, the team seems to be winning based on individual talent with some very talented players but I am not impressed with their ability to cleanly execute plays. A lot of the damage last night was done by the giants committing penalties and being poo poo, not by the seahawks being excellent.

There were some weird coaching decisions. Like right before the half, running six running plays and then letting the last 19 seconds tick down on a 3rd and 1 at the 32 yard line with two time outs left? Why did you run those plays, if you wanted to try for a score you could throw the ball or stop the clock, if you didn't you could just kneel out the last 40 seconds after one play. Or the turnover on downs on the first drive of the third quarter, they had 4th and 1 and the geno incomplete pass looked like a low-chance play, why would you not just run the ball there? Or take the field goal, you're on the NYG 15 yard line and the score is 14-3, a field goal is hardly meaningless here.

NYG then did a full field drive that looked pretty good, Witherspoons' interception and 97 yard TD changed the game but you can't count on that kind of play to happen and without it, Giants are likely closing to within 4 points and maintaining momentum. That was the play that kind of took the life out of them and after that it was just clowning on a defeated team.

Anyway a win's a win obviously but I would not be looking at that performance and predicting they'll win their next five games.

It was classic seahawks.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 20:15

Nervous: Jan 25, 2005; Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

shirts and skins posted:

Yeah, it's sort of telling that people I saw elsewhere baying for blood on the Witherspoon selection have effortlessly moved their focus to JSN haha

It's extremely telling. It usually takes receivers a bit to get a feel for the NFL game.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 22:03

Forrest on Fire: Nov 23, 2012

Nervous posted:

It's extremely telling. It usually takes receivers a bit to get a feel for the NFL game.

It takes a particularly special kind of rookie to be elite out the gates. I'm talking Randy Moss, Justin Jefferson, Chase, Boldin, and of course Michael Wilson :smuggo:

# ? Oct 3, 2023 22:18

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Also Ronnie Bell : )

# ? Oct 3, 2023 22:19

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DancingMachine posted:

That's good because JSN looks like a very high danger for ending up being a total bust.

JSN just needs more opportunities. I don't think he'll be a world beater but he is definitely better than what's been shown so far. Too many doomed outside screens and bad Geno throws.

Stuff he needs to do better too, like catch the ball, but he hasn't had that many good opportunities sent his way

# ? Oct 3, 2023 22:57

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

Leperflesh posted:

Hawks fans should be happy with a win but that was a messy game.

A lot of the damage last night was done by the giants committing penalties and being poo poo, not by the seahawks being excellent.

Anyway a win's a win obviously but I would not be looking at that performance and predicting they'll win their next five games.

Yeah. Seahawks are 3-1 but they�ve played some terrible teams and overall the looks kind of lovely. Seems like the worst case scenario might come true where they win around 7 games.

They keep winning but none of the games inspire confidence.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 23:01

Benne: Sep 2, 2011; STOP DOING HEROIN

They're 3-1 while missing like 30 important starters and now have the bye week to get closer to full strength. I think that's pretty drat impressive actually, even with the soft schedule.

I really don't like this mindset of "oh they beat bad teams, so it doesn't count." Like what, are we supposed to win 100-0? Are we supposed to be not happy that we poo poo on and humiliated the Giants on national TV? Because that was rad as hell, and I feel bad if you didn't get something out of that.

I like this team, and I think they'll play better as the season goes on. There's a ton of pieces to get excited about.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 23:14

shirts and skins: Jun 25, 2007; Good morning!

Benne posted:

They're 3-1 while missing like 30 important starters and now have the bye week to get closer to full strength. I think that's pretty drat impressive actually, even with the soft schedule.

I really don't like this mindset of "oh they beat bad teams, so it doesn't count." Like what, are we supposed to win 100-0? Are we supposed to be not happy that we poo poo on and humiliated the Giants on national TV? Because that was rad as hell, and I feel bad if you didn't get something out of that.

I like this team, and I think they'll play better as the season goes on. There's a ton of pieces to get excited about.

this is where I am. how many past Seahawks teams would have folded like a cheap table with FOUR o line starters out? it seems like the team loses someone every quarter. this game was closer than it should have been but it was never in serious doubt

I'm really hoping their injury luck turns around post-bye though because once they hit the second Rams game that schedule gets brutal QUICK

# ? Oct 3, 2023 23:27

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Speaking as a seahawks hater, they look like the worst 3+ win team in the league. A lot of the 2 win teams look better, as well.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 23:49

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

I cannot wait for the Niners/Cowboys/Niners/Eagles stretch.

# ? Oct 3, 2023 23:58

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algebra testes posted:

I cannot wait for the Niners/Cowboys/Niners/Eagles stretch.

i too am a snuff film connoisseur

# ? Oct 4, 2023 00:51

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

Waltzing Along posted:

Speaking as a seahawks hater, they look like the worst 3+ win team in the league. A lot of the 2 win teams look better, as well.

Agreed.

Biggest shame so far is Adams. I hope that scrappy hard hitting safety linebacker hybrid gets to stay healthy!!!

# ? Oct 4, 2023 00:59

trilljester: Dec 7, 2004; The People's Tight End.

Play posted:

JSN just needs more opportunities. I don't think he'll be a world beater but he is definitely better than what's been shown so far. Too many doomed outside screens and bad Geno throws.

Stuff he needs to do better too, like catch the ball, but he hasn't had that many good opportunities sent his way

Hard to get a bunch of looks when you have DK Metcalf and Lockett. Might want to trade Metcalf to the Niners. How well can he block for CMC?

# ? Oct 4, 2023 01:22

Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

trilljester posted:

Hard to get a bunch of looks when you have DK Metcalf and Lockett. Might want to trade Metcalf to the Niners. How well can he block for CMC?

He looks like he could truck a linebacker or two.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 02:33

OGS-Remix: Sep 4, 2007; Totally surviving on my own. On LAND!

Mustached Demon posted:

He looks like he could truck a linebacker or two.

I hear he's got chase down speed too. For blocking of course.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 02:55

Lifespan: Mar 5, 2002

Ornery and Hornery posted:

Biggest shame so far is Adams. I hope that scrappy hard hitting safety linebacker hybrid gets to stay healthy!!!

At this point I was just glad when he went down that it wasn't some career ending soft tissue injury.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 04:06

Nervous: Jan 25, 2005; Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

algebra testes posted:

I cannot wait for the Niners/Cowboys/Niners/Eagles stretch.

I also enjoy red wines, long walks on the beach, and getting kicked repeatedly in the balls.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 05:00

Waltzing Along: Jun 14, 2008; There's only one
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I could see one of those SEA games being the 49ers first loss.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 05:04

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Waltzing Along posted:

I could see one of those SEA games being the 49ers first loss.

Divisional games yo.

In honor of Purdy breaking Steve Young's single-game passing percentage record, we're getting a Football Academy double header. Up first, 21/22 for 283 and 1 TD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58J5uOc_FWA

# ? Oct 4, 2023 06:09

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algebra testes posted:

I cannot wait for the Niners/Cowboys/Niners/Eagles stretch.

Waltzing Along posted:

I could see one of those SEA games being the 49ers first loss.

Yeah, there's one win in there. Of course it depends on the Niners not really trying, or meltdowns from the Iggles or Cowboys.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 18:02

JPrime: Jul 4, 2007; tales of derring-do, bad ~~and good~~ luck tales!; College Slice

OGS-Remix posted:

I hear he's got chase down speed too. For blocking of course.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 18:09

MakaVillian: Aug 16, 2003; Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

algebra testes posted:

I cannot wait for the Niners/Cowboys/Niners/Eagles stretch.

I too like watching the Seahawks lose :getin:

# ? Oct 4, 2023 20:58

razorscooter: Nov 5, 2008

if the cards can get a win against the cowboys, so can the hawks

# ? Oct 4, 2023 22:48

EmbryoSteve: Dec 18, 2004; Taste~The~Rainbow

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razorscooter posted:

if the cards can get a win against the cowboys, so can the hawks

So can anyone imo

(Except the bears)

# ? Oct 4, 2023 23:12

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Cooper Kupp is back at practice on Wednesday, outside shot of playing against the eagles

# ? Oct 4, 2023 23:15

Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

I would like it if the Seahawks beat the Cowboys.

gently caress the Cowboys takes precedent over all other teams.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 23:22

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

Mustached Demon posted:

I would like it if the Seahawks beat the Cowboys.

gently caress the Cowboys takes precedent over all other teams.

What about Establish The Run?

# ? Oct 4, 2023 23:26

Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

What about Establish The Run?

I said teams, not ideals one should aspire to achieve.

If the cowboys sought to Establish the Run I would say gently caress you I don't believe your sincerity.

# ? Oct 4, 2023 23:30

Nervous: Jan 25, 2005; Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Mustached Demon posted:

I said teams, not ideals one should aspire to achieve.

If the cowboys sought to Establish the Run I would say gently caress you I don't believe your sincerity.

If there's one thing I grudgingly have to give Jerruh credit for, it's having at least some commitment to the Run. Just look at some of those road grading O lines they've had.

# ? Oct 5, 2023 00:28

MakaVillian: Aug 16, 2003; Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

The highest of honours

https://twitter.com/49ers/status/1709721975453626682?s=20

# ? Oct 5, 2023 01:10

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

Mustached Demon posted:

I said teams, not ideals one should aspire to achieve.

If the cowboys sought to Establish the Run I would say gently caress you I don't believe your sincerity.

You got me there. I'm drinking heavily so I was not very eloquent but you got my point anyway.

# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:16

Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

You got me there. I'm drinking heavily so I was not very eloquent but you got my point anyway.

I'm 90s kid and niner fan, my burning hated of the Cowboys could power all of Texas during an extreme weather event (unlike the Texas grid).

# ? Oct 5, 2023 04:03

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# ? May 31, 2024 00:10

Waltzing Along: Jun 14, 2008; There's only one
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As an Niners fan I have to say I hate Dallas, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore and Kansas City.

# ? Oct 5, 2023 04:04

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