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dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

regulargonzalez posted:

I'm not very good but e3 is the move right. But if I had any kind of time pressure I'd probably go c4 and then 1... d2 and you're hosed. That's my 1400 analysis.

E: or maybe not? Those two moves aren't committal so I could still recover

E2: ok looked at the game, that's pretty funny

I think you’re right e3 let’s you stop whites pawn, and makes white decide between defending their pawns and letting your b pawn queen, or go after your b pawn and letting you gobble up the white pawns

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Promethium
Dec 31, 2009
Dinosaur Gum

dupersaurus posted:

I think you’re right e3 let’s you stop whites pawn, and makes white decide between defending their pawns and letting your b pawn queen, or go after your b pawn and letting you gobble up the white pawns

I can easily see myself making the same drawing mistake as the actual game if I didn't have time to calculate it all the way through. I think the main takeaway is that you can't instantly assume you're going to win just because you can take all the pawns, even if it initially seems like the white king will be way offside.

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

Promethium posted:

I can easily see myself making the same drawing mistake as the actual game if I didn't have time to calculate it all the way through. I think the main takeaway is that you can't instantly assume you're going to win just because you can take all the pawns, even if it initially seems like the white king will be way offside.

oops, I meant I was thinking e6 not e3

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Leperflesh posted:

That 1500 average therefore represents not an average of all chess players, but rather, an average of dedicated multi-year online chess players.

OTOH I just had a rapid game today with a 1400 who tried some scholars mate thing with a Queen and no bishop. His plan failed, then he stepped on a dozen rakes in a row and lost. So I think 1500 is probably pretty achievable at some point. I didn't even play well!

Edit: Apparently it's called the King's Pawn Game: Wayward Queen Attack, Kiddie Countergambit.

PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Oct 4, 2023

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

PerniciousKnid posted:

OTOH I just had a rapid game today with a 1400 who tried some scholars mate thing with a Queen and no bishop. His plan failed, then he stepped on a dozen rakes in a row and lost. So I think 1500 is probably pretty achievable at some point. I didn't even play well!

doesn't a brand new account start at 1500 though?

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Leperflesh posted:

doesn't a brand new account start at 1500 though?

Provisionally. This dude has 130 games played.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Hmm.

Yeah I dunno I'm just theorizin' here. :shrug:

cock hero flux
Apr 17, 2011



PerniciousKnid posted:

OTOH I just had a rapid game today with a 1400 who tried some scholars mate thing with a Queen and no bishop. His plan failed, then he stepped on a dozen rakes in a row and lost. So I think 1500 is probably pretty achievable at some point. I didn't even play well!

Edit: Apparently it's called the King's Pawn Game: Wayward Queen Attack, Kiddie Countergambit.

the wayward queen attack gives you a free rook if they try to kick your queen with a pawn and immediately fucks you over if they do literally any other reasonable move

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Yeah it's bizarre, on Lichess -- even discounting the 1500? label for new players -- at the 1400 level about 10% of games are some trash gambit that they should have outgrown at 900 ... although I did blunder into this stupid one that starts with 1. b4 2. Bb2. Saw it again later and stomped it but it was two different players. IDK if different accounts or some trendy thing from a streamer.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

cock hero flux posted:

the wayward queen attack gives you a free rook if they try to kick your queen with a pawn and immediately fucks you over if they do literally any other reasonable move

I played against that a few games ago. Just remember it because of its cool name in the database. I big-brained my way into moving the knight out to attack the queen because I figured it's better to develop a knight and attack the queen than it is to move a pawn and possibly destroy a pawn structure on the kingside castle.

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

regulargonzalez posted:

this stupid one that starts with 1. b4 2. Bb2.

Isn't that just the Polish opening? Afaik it's perfectly fine as far as openings go, especially at that level...

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

PerniciousKnid posted:

OTOH I just had a rapid game today with a 1400 who tried some scholars mate thing with a Queen and no bishop. His plan failed, then he stepped on a dozen rakes in a row and lost. So I think 1500 is probably pretty achievable at some point. I didn't even play well!

Edit: Apparently it's called the King's Pawn Game: Wayward Queen Attack, Kiddie Countergambit.

The kiddie counter gambit was your move

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

ikanreed posted:

The kiddie counter gambit was your move

Yeah I just posted the whole name because it's funny.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I just played my best game tonight, which isn't saying much considering I've played about 25 games in this particular adventure with chess, but I smile thinking of it. It was against someone who actually slowed the game down, not a "patient" game but literally taking their time over their moves. This meant I slowed down too, and didn't feel inclined to slam out moves. I still blundered (3 blunders, 1 mistake, 1 inaccuracy) but they blundered more, including what I have to presume is the move that allowed me to get checkmate because they forgot what purpose a piece was serving on a square as the game had advanced a few times.

This is basically telling me I have to slow down games off my own back even if the opponent is pounding out moves. To resist the tendency to match the back and forth being set. I still didn't fully calculate out everything, but there was definitely more thought given to the pressure certain moves were gaining on the opponent, and what moves they were likely to make on me to threaten me. Whether I had time to make a positive move or whether I needed to be more precautionary in what I was doing.

Definitely my most satisfying game so far. It felt like a "proper" game of chess. Similar in feeling to what I get otb.

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007

PerniciousKnid posted:

With triple-digit Rating you shouldn't feel pressure. If you fall behind just keep focusing on counting correctly and half the time you'll come back when your opponent blunders a piece back.

If they don't make any mistakes they were smurfing or playing out of their mind, either way you were doomed from the start.

Definitely did this OTB in the office today, blundered a rook in spectacular fashion and managed to hang on long enough for my opponent to blunder a rook back to me.

Ended in a draw with insufficient material, my king and bishop vs. his king.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Mrenda posted:

This is basically telling me I have to slow down games off my own back even if the opponent is pounding out moves. To resist the tendency to match the back and forth being set.

Correct! Time usage is a critical skill in any live game.

Mikojan
May 12, 2010

Mrenda posted:

I just played my best game tonight, which isn't saying much considering I've played about 25 games in this particular adventure with chess, but I smile thinking of it. It was against someone who actually slowed the game down, not a "patient" game but literally taking their time over their moves. This meant I slowed down too, and didn't feel inclined to slam out moves. I still blundered (3 blunders, 1 mistake, 1 inaccuracy) but they blundered more, including what I have to presume is the move that allowed me to get checkmate because they forgot what purpose a piece was serving on a square as the game had advanced a few times.

This is basically telling me I have to slow down games off my own back even if the opponent is pounding out moves. To resist the tendency to match the back and forth being set. I still didn't fully calculate out everything, but there was definitely more thought given to the pressure certain moves were gaining on the opponent, and what moves they were likely to make on me to threaten me. Whether I had time to make a positive move or whether I needed to be more precautionary in what I was doing.

Definitely my most satisfying game so far. It felt like a "proper" game of chess. Similar in feeling to what I get otb.

I know what you mean. All of my satisfying games are long drawn out ones because its fulfilling to see enemy plans, twart then and come up with your own convoluted clusterfucks.

I sometimes play correspondence games vs two of my friends who are 1200 and 1400 rated respectively and end up winning an ok amount of times.

But then I get into online rapids / blitz games and I just have this overwhelming urge to bust out moves. And I'm making the dumbest mistakes locking me in at 700 rating.

I hope I'm at least learning something blitzing moves but my gut tells me no, and its just feeding into some addiction.

I think, if you play rapids, and most of your games leave you with 3-5 minutes on the clock, might as well play blitz.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006
I hit 1400 on Lichess last night. I was very excited, not by the magnitude of the number but by how round it is. :cloudnine:

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

PerniciousKnid posted:

I hit 1400 on Lichess last night. I was very excited, not by the magnitude of the number but by how round it is. :cloudnine:

:hf: I'm also managing to hold on to my 1400 for the first time

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

VictualSquid posted:

Had draws in 2 successive games for the first time. :toot:

This is when I dropped the win for the second game:

https://lichess.org/oRfYMnbO/black#101

Cant check out the link right now, but Im hoping this game ended with you stalemating yourself

e: close enough I guess lol

Control Volume fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 5, 2023

Bruce Hussein Daddy
Dec 26, 2005

I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
https://lichess.org/training/0FpK9
:psyduck:

Mikojan
May 12, 2010


errr seems p straight forward? h5#

Ive done so many puzzles by know I know that pawn structure

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.
Pretty cool, took me embarrassingly long to find.

Bruce Hussein Daddy
Dec 26, 2005

I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God

Mikojan posted:

errr seems p straight forward? h5#

Ive done so many puzzles by know I know that pawn structure

Yeah I agree. Once I decided the rooks nothing useful to do, briefly considering F5+ and then ooh.

e On second thought I think you are "supposed" to worry about getting your rooks forked.

Bruce Hussein Daddy fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Oct 5, 2023

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

ikanreed posted:

:hf: I'm also managing to hold on to my 1400 for the first time

I hosed it up and played some more, now I'm an unround 1404.

Also I played a really bad game where I went up a rook (which hung for five turns before I grabbed it) and then blundered the advantage away while ignoring my opponent's hanging knight for like three turns. Oops!

I need more endgame practice too, I keep stalemating won positions now that opponents don't just let me shove pawns up the board unimpeded.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Lol white went from +5 to mated in one with that rook move, oops!

Mikojan
May 12, 2010

Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:

Yeah I agree. Once I decided the rooks nothing useful to do, briefly considering F5+ and then ooh.

e On second thought I think you are "supposed" to worry about getting your rooks forked.

I don't know how these puzzles are selected, but I do agree sometimes it comes with a suspiciously juicy fork to worry / salivate over

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I vote down puzzles when they were too hard, or too easy, or made me think I was trying for a mate when actually it's just a "best move", or after doing the moves the puzzle expected me to do it looks like my position is worse (an engine probably says it's better but if I can't tell, then it wasn't a good puzzle for my elo)
I vote up puzzles that took me two or three minutes to figure out and then I felt good when I did and felt like I had learned something

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
kinda funny blitz game where i played the white pieces -- good illustration of how to launch an attack that doesn't work. still turned out ok for me, because my opponent blundered in the endgame, and i was able to premove a dozen times in a row to checkmate my opponent with 00:00.31 on my clock

code:
1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 { B06 Modern Defense } 3. Nf3 e6 4. c4 Ne7 5. Nc3 b6 6. Bg5 Bb7 7. Be2 d5 8. cxd5 exd5 9. e5 Nd7 10. O-O h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. Qc1 Nxe3 13. Qxe3 Qe7 14. a3 O-O-O 15. Rac1 Kb8 16. Nb5 Rc8 17. b4 f6 18. e6 Nf8 19. a4 Nxe6 20. a5 f5 21. Nxa7 Kxa7 22. a6 f4 23. Qa3 Ba8 24. Ne5 Nxd4 25. Bg4 Qxe5 26. Bxc8 Rxc8 27. Rfe1 Qg5 28. Qh3 Qf5 29. Qxf5 gxf5 30. Re7 Bf6 31. Rexc7+ Rxc7 32. Rxc7+ Kxa6 33. Rf7 Bg5 34. f3 Kb5 35. Kf2 Kxb4 36. Ke1 b5 37. Kd2 Kc4 38. Rc7+ Nc6 39. Rc8 Bb7 40. Rc7 Ba8 41. Rc8 Kc5 42. Rxa8 b4 43. Ra1 b3 44. Rb1 Kb4 45. Kd3 Na5 46. Kd4 Bh4 47. Kxd5 Bf2 48. Ke5 Nc4+ 49. Kxf4 Na3 50. Rb2 Kc3 51. Rxf2 b2 52. Rxb2 Kxb2 53. Kxf5 Nc4 54. Kg6 Ne5+ 55. Kxh6 Kc3 56. h4 Kd4 57. h5 Nf7+ 58. Kg7 Ne5 59. h6 Nd7 60. h7 Ne5 61. h8=Q Nd7 62. Qd8 Kc5 63. Qxd7 Kc4 64. Qf5 Kc3 65. Qe4 Kd2 66. f4 Kd1 67. f5 Kc1 68. f6 Kb2 69. f7 Ka3 70. f8=Q+ Kb3 71. Qd8 Kc3 72. Qc6+ Kb2 73. Qb8+ Ka3 74. Qa6# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0


i thought this position from the game was cute. i play 39. Rc8 and 40. Rc7 in this position to harass black's trapped bishop until he gives up and lets me take it (still losing for white, but funny nevertheless)

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

PerniciousKnid posted:

I hit 1400 on Lichess last night. I was very excited, not by the magnitude of the number but by how round it is. :cloudnine:

I'm just around this level too (Blitz)! One thing I've discovered is that although the Ruy Lopez "centre fork" trick is only a small gain in material advantage, the psychological damage is causes your opponent is incalculable.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

I've been a 1.d4 player this far but decided to add a 1. E4 opening. Played the Giuoco Piano without knowing any concepts beyond the first 4 moves and stomped my opponent. So at 1100 chesscom / 1400 Lichess, is it good or is wack?

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

regulargonzalez posted:

I've been a 1.d4 player this far but decided to add a 1. E4 opening. Played the Giuoco Piano without knowing any concepts beyond the first 4 moves and stomped my opponent. So at 1100 chesscom / 1400 Lichess, is it good or is wack?

https://lichess.org/pJUVQt0g/white#31

Seems okay to me.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
another precious moment from having the black pieces in 3 minute blitz -- black is winning, but how to proceed here? lots of moves are possible...



anything is good, as long as it doesn't allow white to play Qh8# (which i neglected to check)

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
That's tough when your blitz brain is screaming to save the rook. I spotted it but only after a minute, and I absolutely would have also hung it in a game. Your brain eventually goes, well what do they have after the rook moves? Qh8 looks nasty but I have Ke7 ... No I can't ... Wait ughhhhhh ...

What's the actual best defense? Kg8? And then try to escort one of those q-side pawns after they take the rook?

Huxley fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Oct 8, 2023

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Huxley posted:

That's tough when your blitz brain is screaming to save the rook. I spotted it but only after a minute, and I absolutely would have also hung it in a game. Your brain eventually goes, well what do they have after the rook moves? Qh8 looks nasty but I have Ke7 ... No I can't ... Wait ughhhhhh ...

What's the actual best defense? Kg8? And then try to escort one of those q-side pawns after they take the rook?


Qd3+ saves the rook and gives you a tempo to stop the mate

Aggro
Apr 24, 2003

STRONG as an OX and TWICE as SMART
When you have a massive material advantage, the best defense is probably more offense and/or simplification. I only see one move for Black that accomplishes that.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Helianthus Annuus posted:

another precious moment from having the black pieces in 3 minute blitz -- black is winning, but how to proceed here? lots of moves are possible...



anything is good, as long as it doesn't allow white to play Qh8# (which i neglected to check)

Me, checking my answer: oops!

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006
My 5yo always wants to know when he and daddy can play "chest" again.

big trivia FAIL
May 9, 2003

"Jorge wants to be hardcore,
but his mom won't let him"

Magnus got crushed and is tweeting about cheating again lol

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VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.
Hadn't even noticed that there is a tournament on.

Anyways while trying to find a good place to watch I stumbled onto the coolest, but also most cursed, tournament, which happened yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMW273SqMv8

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