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rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



smug jeebus posted:

It sounds like you've basically got it, although the phrasing is a little reversed; You allocate the hit and then determine if that model is getting cover. I'm pretty sure that's what you meant though.

We do, in fact, do it backwards but only as a consequence of fast rolling, we do it the right way when there's only one attacker.

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Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

smug jeebus posted:

It sounds like you've basically got it, although the phrasing is a little reversed; You allocate the hit and then determine if that model is getting cover. I'm pretty sure that's what you meant though.

So is the actual written order: Determine # of attacks (if applicable), roll for hits. After number of hits is determined, resolve each hit by: defender allocates hit to model, roll for wounds, defender saves, repeat for each hit?

I guess it would only really matter if the unit is made up of multiple models that have different toughnesses though? If I'm remembering that part correctly that is

smug jeebus
Oct 26, 2008
The wound roll is made before allocation. Per the commentary, you use the highest toughness amongst the bodyguard models (or just the highest if no character is attached.)

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

Weird Pumpkin posted:

So is the actual written order: Determine # of attacks (if applicable), roll for hits. After number of hits is determined, resolve each hit by: defender allocates hit to model, roll for wounds, defender saves, repeat for each hit?

I guess it would only really matter if the unit is made up of multiple models that have different toughnesses though? If I'm remembering that part correctly that is

Successful wound rolls are allocated to models. You roll to hit, wound, allocate to a model at this point and take a save.

For a fast rolling cover example, say a unit takes 6 wounds with 3 models in cover, assuming that each failed save will kill a model. You can declare they're going into models in cover until they're dead and start by rolling 3 saves. 2 pass and 1 model dies. You then take 2 saves on the remaining 2 and fail both so they're removed. That's 5 out of 6 so there's one save left that goes into a model that's out of cover.

There's a little nuance since it's determined by model and you assign, so if say a meltagunner's in cover you don't have to assign wounds to them - taking it on bolters in the open instead to preserve a more powerful gun at the expense of the rest of the squad.

Mixed toughness is covered in the rules commentary. It's worth reading through it, even if you won't memorise the whole thing just having a vague memory that you've seen something relevant in there can be useful to check up on in weird edge cases.

Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

ro5s posted:

Successful wound rolls are allocated to models. You roll to hit, wound, allocate to a model at this point and take a save.

For a fast rolling cover example, say a unit takes 6 wounds with 3 models in cover, assuming that each failed save will kill a model. You can declare they're going into models in cover until they're dead and start by rolling 3 saves. 2 pass and 1 model dies. You then take 2 saves on the remaining 2 and fail both so they're removed. That's 5 out of 6 so there's one save left that goes into a model that's out of cover.

There's a little nuance since it's determined by model and you assign, so if say a meltagunner's in cover you don't have to assign wounds to them - taking it on bolters in the open instead to preserve a more powerful gun at the expense of the rest of the squad.

Mixed toughness is covered in the rules commentary. It's worth reading through it, even if you won't memorise the whole thing just having a vague memory that you've seen something relevant in there can be useful to check up on in weird edge cases.

Oh this document is super useful, thank you! Also helps clarify the differences between "wholly within" and "within"

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



WIP of one of my Noise Marines

The Demilich fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Oct 3, 2023

Captain Magic
Apr 4, 2005

Yes, we have feathers--but the muscles of men.

The Demilich posted:

WIP of one of my Noise Marine


hell yeah son

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
[REDACTED]

The Demilich posted:

WIP of one of my Noise Marines


I am not going to make a joke about hiding his feet behind some rocks, but you should definitely give him at least one pouch.

(That rules.)

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

The Demilich posted:

WIP of one of my Noise Marines


Have you considered getting a job sculpting for GW? This fella rules

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

I think it’s too garish

Just kidding, it rocks and I can’t wait to see it painted. Please use leopard print!

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



I actually opted to cover the current work on the Noise Marines in grey stynylrez just so I could get a grasp on what I've done so far since I've been working in clear UV resin.

So here's a minor update over the last hour plus some other lads:



Here's two more:



They're sharing the head because I only made the one head out of some Escher hair, so it def needs a bit of a tightening up. Prob going to chisel some chunks out of the mohawk/helm connection point and redo the details.

The next few heads I'll prob build up from plastic skulls. Do the meat, skin, give them the black orbed eyes, etc.

coelomate
Oct 21, 2020


woah, i am not a clever man, and only just realized goonhammer at least got its name from (posters?) here

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

coelomate posted:

woah, i am not a clever man, and only just realized goonhammer at least got its name from (posters?) here

A number of the founders of the site were originally posters here, yes

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

coelomate posted:

woah, i am not a clever man, and only just realized goonhammer at least got its name from (posters?) here

nah it's related to drinking in public

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

The Demilich posted:

WIP of one of my Noise Marines


Holy gently caress this rules

RangerScum
Apr 6, 2006

lol hey there buddy
Way back in middle school / high school 20+ years ago I thought 40k was the coolest poo poo ever but didn't really have the scratch to afford the hobby so I basically just read the rule book and looked at all the pretty pictures. I painted a squad of Khorne Berserkers at the level you'd expect someone w/no artistic experience and no guidance.

Around 15 years ago I tried getting into Warhammer 40k again but my interest fell off after painting a handful of models. Marneus Calgar and his honor squad may not have been the best first project to work on.

Around the start of 2023 I stumbled upon some youtube video of Robert Evans rambling about the 40k universe for 3 straight hours and that sparked an interest in me yet again. I painted a squad of old firstborn marine models I had from 3rd or 4th edition and I was enjoying the process way more than when I last tried it out. After finishing that squad and learning that all my old models seemed pretty inferior compared to more modern offerings I decided that I wanted to go with a CSM army.

Since February i've painted around 1600 points worth of CSM models and I've been having a great time doing it. I decided to go with Black Legion pretty early on because when I was a kid I thought Abaddon was cool as hell so why not make an army around him.

This past weekend I built a lightbox so I could start taking decent pics of the stuff I'm painting. The last thing I'd just finished was a squad of the new possessed space marine models and they're pretty badass so I photographed them first. Screwed up focus on the bottom right model, ah well.

I've enjoyed reading the 9th edition and 10th edition thread over the past 10 months, thank you posters.



Muir
Sep 27, 2005

that's Doctor Brain to you
I think you made a mistake, you said these were your models but you posted photos of the studio paint jobs from the GW website.
sick paint jobs!

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
[REDACTED]
Anything to watch out for when assembling Ork Kommandos? I know some of the kill teams have inobvious mutually exclusive builds because this guy is based on a different body from that guy but uses the same elbow and you only get one or whatever.

BaronVanAwesome
Sep 11, 2001

I will never learn the secrets of "Increased fake female boar sp..."

Never say never, buddy.
Now you know.
Now we all know.

RangerScum posted:


...

This past weekend I built a lightbox so I could start taking decent pics of the stuff I'm painting.





1) good post/journey, great looking models

2) I've bought two amazon/aliexpress light boxes that sucked overall, please how'd you build the lightbox/take the photos?

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.

I hate to be this way, because these look awesome and over-the-top in the best ways...

... it's just that the barrel of the gun is just slightly at an angle compared to the body and it's doing my nut in. I can understand if it'd be too much trouble for something so minor, but that's the ONE problem I have with it.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Yeah I admit I noticed that slight difference in angle as well and it bugged the heck out of me.

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005

Stephenls posted:

Anything to watch out for when assembling Ork Kommandos? I know some of the kill teams have inobvious mutually exclusive builds because this guy is based on a different body from that guy but uses the same elbow and you only get one or whatever.

It's been a year since I built them but I'm pretty sure you can build all the specialists with that kit. So not much to worry about, each one has instructions for building it as the specialist or a basic Kommando boy and then the leader has a choice of two weapons you can magnetise or just commit to one if you prefer.

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
[REDACTED]

Cooked Auto posted:

Yeah I admit I noticed that slight difference in angle as well and it bugged the heck out of me.

It just makes it more Liefeldian.

RangerScum
Apr 6, 2006

lol hey there buddy

BaronVanAwesome posted:

1) good post/journey, great looking models

2) I've bought two amazon/aliexpress light boxes that sucked overall, please how'd you build the lightbox/take the photos?

Thank you!

Here's the setup I used:



As you can see I just cut the flaps off the top of a cardboard box, cut two holes in the side of it, reinforced it with a bit of extra cardboard, then taped tissue paper over the side holes to diffuse the light a bit. Then I cut a $1.99 sheet of white poster board to size and stuck it in the box to give me a seamless background.
I had a couple of low power clamp lights from ikea that I just clamped onto the box itself. At that point I'm ready to take pics.

Photography was my main hobby for a while so I already had the camera and tripod, but I bought a 30 year old 105mm macro/micro lens that I got for like $200 off ebay which is great at taking close-up shots. However the depth of field is super narrow in the photos, so to avoid having out of focus areas of the minis I have to take multiple shots of each mini and then I use a technique called "focus stacking" (you can google this phrase to find useful guides) which uses photoshop to line up all the similar photos and blend them together by automatically picking out the in-focus areas of each shot so I can get full coverage of the model. I photograph a single model at a time , 3-5 shots for the front, turn it around and get 3-5 shots for the back. Then I import the photos into adobe Lightroom so I can crop them and make minor exposure adjustments and then copy those adjustments across all the photos so their settings are identical, the only difference between the photos is their area of focus. Then I focus stack in photoshop and save as a jpg. Then I photoshopped all the individual mini's jpgs together into a single pic for posting purposes. Each of my two shots was comprised of around 20 photos blended together.

It's kind of a pain in the rear end but the photos turn out well!

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Samovar posted:

I hate to be this way, because these look awesome and over-the-top in the best ways...

... it's just that the barrel of the gun is just slightly at an angle compared to the body and it's doing my nut in. I can understand if it'd be too much trouble for something so minor, but that's the ONE problem I have with it.

Cooked Auto posted:

Yeah I admit I noticed that slight difference in angle as well and it bugged the heck out of me.

Might just be the angle of the profile shot? I don't see it with a full on side view

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

The Demilich posted:

Might just be the angle of the profile shot? I don't see it with a full on side view


the break in the middle is crooked. You can see it when you extend out some lines on the two halves

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


Stephenls posted:

Anything to watch out for when assembling Ork Kommandos? I know some of the kill teams have inobvious mutually exclusive builds because this guy is based on a different body from that guy but uses the same elbow and you only get one or whatever.

The Breacha Ram guy is a pain in the rear end to put together.

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Spanish Manlove posted:

the break in the middle is crooked. You can see it when you extend out some lines on the two halves



Ahhhhh, gotcha, there was a caveat I found during the kitbash that made me settle on its current iteration. If the extension of the gun was not placed a little higher like it is, then thr first coils end up being flush flat with the top of the extension, and it looked awful. Having the coils be sunk a bit deeper made it look a bit normal despite all the other changes. So I opted instead of lining up the middle line, to line up the top and bottom lines


I've still got to add cabling so maybe that line won't be apparent at all once some more visual confusion is introduced.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
The lines on the top and bottom still appear crooked

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Well I did it on my phone with fat fingers

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Anyone know the name of the Eldar/Drukhari bits that stick out of the armor like wings, and the purpose of them on the armor?

They look like this on the Incubus Warsuit

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
They're supposed to be warp sensors/field generators according to the original Jes sketches.

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice
https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-hot-take-space-marines-points-update/

SPEHSS MARINES are getting some further trimming on their point values to compensate for losing wound rerolls, probably tomorrow.

coelomate
Oct 21, 2020


Freshly 140 ballistus dreadnought is taunting my Grey Knights 155 point ven dread with the same stature, same-ish guns, half the shots, less toughness, worse ability, etc.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

The Demilich posted:

Might just be the angle of the profile shot? I don't see it with a full on side view


What's the gun made of BTW? HH Special weapons? Maybe a Hellblaster gun?

xtothez posted:

https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-hot-take-space-marines-points-update/

SPEHSS MARINES are getting some further trimming on their point values to compensate for losing wound rerolls, probably tomorrow.

Aggressors and Vulkan are the only ones going up, to cut off Salamander supremacy?

BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Oct 5, 2023

Captain Magic
Apr 4, 2005

Yes, we have feathers--but the muscles of men.

xtothez posted:

https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-hot-take-space-marines-points-update/

SPEHSS MARINES are getting some further trimming on their point values to compensate for losing wound rerolls, probably tomorrow.

Oh cool, so Deathwatch Kill Teams will go down in price too, right?


…right?

Vulpes Vulpes
Apr 28, 2013

"...for you, it is all over...!"

Lumbermouth posted:

The Breacha Ram guy is a pain in the rear end to put together.

Boy was he. Nothing quite fit right, I thought I was going crazy.

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



BizarroAzrael posted:

What's the gun made of BTW? HH Special weapons? Maybe a Hellblaster gun?

It's half Plasma Incinerator from the Hellblaster kit and half an admech Volkite weapon (I think) that was grabbed from a bits box for $0.15!

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
someone brought 60 cultists, three full-size ACDCs, abaddon, and some other stuff to london GT and got fourth

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Froghammer
Sep 8, 2012

Khajit has wares
if you have coin

Cease to Hope posted:

someone brought 60 cultists, three full-size ACDCs, abaddon, and some other stuff to london GT and got fourth
Oops All Cultists

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