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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/joolsd/status/1709268753400148370?t=2tR_LU4V2IwQefCbNQgI9A&s=19 more proof that Europe is a US colony now it's their turn to get the weird diseases that developed in the imperial core
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Europe finally gets bedbugs, US finally gets treatment resistant bacterial STDs, it's like the Columbian exchange all over again
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:Bret Stephens: International Menace Tough Guy!
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Bitten by Kris Newby is a good book on Willy Burgdorfer, Plum Island, Fort Detrick (of course), and how Lyme disease is prob a product of ticks-as-vectors bioweapon research
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multistability posted:Bitten by Kris Newby is a good book on Willy Burgdorfer, Plum Island, Fort Detrick (of course), and how Lyme disease is prob a product of ticks-as-vectors bioweapon research No loving way lmao 
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I call it Fort Detricks, because that's where they trick ya
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Considering that people have been getting Lyme disease for hundreds of years, that seems unlikely. I wouldn’t be surprised if they deliberately infected a bunch of the population with it as some kind of test, but ticks have been giving people bacterial infections forever. This guy is the oldest known person to have had it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi
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Endman posted:Considering that people have been getting Lyme disease for hundreds of years, that seems unlikely. I probably should have said "the modern epidemic of Lyme disease whose epicenter is Lyme, Conneticut circa 1975". Obv Willy Burgdorfer didn't synthesise the Lyme disease spirochete in Fort Detrick, he (probably) just weaponised it. The book goes into all this - it's good
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Endman posted:Considering that people have been getting Lyme disease for hundreds of years, that seems unlikely. multistability posted:I probably should have said "the modern epidemic of Lyme disease whose epicenter is Lyme, Conneticut circa 1975". Obv Willy Burgdorfer didn't synthesise the Lyme disease spirochete in Fort Detrick, he (probably) just weaponised it. The book goes into all this - it's good yeah, Lab 257 by Carroll also postulates tick escapees from Plum Island - iirc at one point in the 80s someone inspected some vent screens and found them to be larger than specced, the implication being that not only could ticks/vectors potentially escape thru there but that none of the other security/containment features could be trusted on paper. Originally they were supposed to cull any deer that made it to the island to avoid them potentially bringing infected bugs to the mainland but at some point that fell off too edit: pdf here https://ia903108.us.archive.org/19/items/Lab257HowLymeDiseaseWasCreatedAgenda21/Michael_Carroll_Lab_257.pdf lol @ the url Dr. Jerrold Coe has issued a correction as of 00:01 on Oct 5, 2023 |
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Lol Burgdorfer is named dropped on page 5 and then on page 41 he tells author Carroll oh yeah sure Plum Island might be the source of the modern Lyme epidemic, maybe, I don't know! Don't look at me! He's also called Wally here.
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Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:Lol Burgdorfer is named dropped on page 5 and then on page 41 he tells author Carroll oh yeah sure Plum Island might be the source of the modern Lyme epidemic, maybe, I don't know! Don't look at me! He's also called Wally here. googling plum island and it's restricted, they don't say why, just 'to protect livestock'
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FirstnameLastname posted:googling plum island and it's restricted, they don't say why, just 'to protect livestock' call me some guy itt right now: White-tailed deer often swim across Plum Gut, the two-mile-wide strait that separates Plum Island from Long Island. Countless birds— including seagulls, Canadian geese, and osprey—fly between coastal Con- necticut, Long Island, and Plum Island. Old Lyme lies directly in the flight vector of birds that congregate on Plum Island and migrate north and south along the East Coast. When biological security was taken seriously in the early 1950s, deer were shot on sight by trained snipers. Even puppies and dogs, fatefully setting their paws on the island’s beaches with their owners, would be euthanized. By 1975, germs on Plum Island increased in both numbers and virulence—but safety and security measures moved in the opposite direction. Tests were supposed to be held in airtight laboratory rooms. Instead, internal government documents prove there were gaping holes in the lab roofs where air currents and insects freely came and went, depending upon the direction of the wind. What’s more, the animals were held in outdoor pens, where they were injected with virus vaccines and fed out of open-air feeding troughs. Plum Island workers witnessed birds flying in and out of the pens, picking morsels from the troughs. Wild animals were shooed away, but not before birds swooped down and mingled with the test ani- mals. One eyewitness reported seeing deer entering the animal pens to feed. If Dr. Traub continued his outdoor germ experiments with the Army and experimented with ticks outdoors, the ticks would have made contact with mice, deer, and more than 140 species of wild birds known to frequent and nest on Plum Island. The birds spread their toxic cargo to resting and nesting perches atop the great elms and oaks of Old Lyme and elsewhere, just like they spread the West Nile virus throughout the United States. Researchers trying to prove that Lyme disease existed before 1975 claim to have isolated Bb in ticks collected on nearby Shelter Island and Long Island in the late 1940s. That timing coincides with both Erich Traub’s arrival in the United States on Project PAPERCLIP and the Army’s selection of Plum Island as its offshore biological warfare laboratory. The USDA’s spokesperson, Sandy Miller Hays, is unconvinced about the possibility of a link between Lyme disease and Plum Island: "Lyme disease—well, the positive agent for Lyme disease was identi- fied in 1948, which was about six years before Plum Island came into being. So then some people blame the Army. There is a part of me that says, “Let me get this straight, the U.S. Army, that had saved the world, came along after the war and said, ‘Let’s poison a bunch of ticks and turn them loose on people in Connecticut?’ ” We kind of giggle around here about the stories, but some of them are just outlandish. I always laugh about Nazi scientists. . . . Do you want to hear about how [scientists] are keeping a cow from drooling or do you want to hear about poisoned ticks and the Nazi scientists? It’s always more fun to tell those scary stories." A PR expert, Hays had Scientific American eating out of her hand in June 2000, when they reported her as saying, “ ‘We still get asked about the Nazi scientists,’ . . . [with] the slightest trace of weariness creeping into her voice.” In their feature story on Plum Island, the prestigious magazine dubbed the intrigue surrounding the island as a “fanciful fictional tapestry.”
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Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:Lol Burgdorfer is named dropped on page 5 and then on page 41 he tells author Carroll oh yeah sure Plum Island might be the source of the modern Lyme epidemic, maybe, I don't know! Don't look at me! He's also called Wally here. Kris Newby, Bitten: quote:During the mid-1950s, Willy spent a lot of time away from the Rocky Mountain Lab, at Camp Detrick, in Maryland, working with project manager Dale W. Jenkins, chief of the entomology division of the U.S. Army Chemical Corps. ... James Oliver, a young soldier working under Jenkins ... first met Willy in 1955, during one of his trips to Fort Detrick. Oliver was working on a program to drop weaponized ticks out of airplanes,12 and he and Willy brainstormed ways to increase the reproduction rate of ticks to keep up with military needs.13 In the end, they couldn’t figure out how to get ticks to lay more eggs. Willy worked for several years exploring the “efficiency and potentiality of ticks in maintaining the Colorado Tick Fever virus and in their ability to transmit the disease to man or other important hosts.” This required that he dissect infected baby mouse brains, isolate the virus from the tissue, and then force-feed the virus into various species of ticks. He created a vaccine for this virus and tested it on twenty-seven human volunteers at Montana State Prison, reporting that there were no ill effects from the trial except for “a marked depressing effect on the bone marrow and the antibody-forming apparatus.” (In other words, the virus suppressed the human immune system.) quote:Where had the agents discovered in ticks from the Long Island Sound come from? I think the most likely scenario is a military experiment gone wrong or an accidental release from Plum Island Animal Disease Center of New York. Plum Island research focused primarily on animal diseases such as babesiosis, rickettsias, foot-and-mouth disease, duck plague, and swine flu virus. The researchers at Plum Island also raised large quantities of ticks,10 and they’ve had a few containment breaches.
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haha wikipedia those citations go to a "balanced" CNN article that quotes Sandy Miller Hays' denials but hardly "discredits" anything, and this review of the book:  My criticism of the book is that it's too normie and restrained! Look what that gets you when people don't want to admit things ... Dr. Jerrold Coe has issued a correction as of 01:04 on Oct 5, 2023 |
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Also "the specter of antianimal BW work" refers to Traub's work on experiments with plague/disease spreading by plane over Russia, similar to Unit 731 and the USA's Korean plague bombs! The reviewer tries to minimize it to sound like pencil pushing lab work but it was quite literally biological warfare. Even nazi germ warfare scientists can get the ultimate benefit of the doubt over whether they were really nazis!
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Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:Also "the specter of antianimal BW work" refers to Traub's work on experiments with plague/disease spreading by plane over Russia, similar to Unit 731 and the USA's Korean plague bombs! The reviewer tries to minimize it to sound like pencil pushing lab work but it was quite literally biological warfare. Even nazi germ warfare scientists can get the ultimate benefit of the doubt over whether they were really nazis! Any reading recs re Nazi Germany's biological warfare programme?
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Victor Vermis posted:Every Thursday I watch Why Files with my loved ones and, this week, right then and there, I shouted "FORT DETRICK! FORT DETRICK!" Is Why Files good? I never heard of it.
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multistability posted:Any reading recs re Nazi Germany's biological warfare programme? not from me, there's just a little bit about Traub's WWII work in this book including the BW against Russian targets. The book reviewer, Reid Kirby, has an article in the Army Chemical Review, July-December 2005, which is a history of the flea as a BW vector (starts page 30): https://static.dvidshub.net/media/pubs/pdf_12467.pdf it's a straightforward account and details Unit 731's porcelain plague bombs but then ...  hmmm let's check the citations ...  lmao that the first endnote just says it's not true without even a source, while the second one is our old friend Milton Leitenberg and his secret papers! Kirby even admits that we gave 731 scientists amnesty, but then somehow it took almost a decade for us to make good on that?
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No wonder we lost the war on terror, our dragon soldiers don't even know where Seattle is!
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multistability posted:Bitten by Kris Newby is a good book on Willy Burgdorfer, Plum Island, Fort Detrick (of course), and how Lyme disease is prob a product of ticks-as-vectors bioweapon research I read a piece in readers digest in the early 2000s in a dentist office that said exactly this
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lol Kevin Spacey got hit with the heart attack gun
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MonsieurChoc posted:Is Why Files good? I never heard of it. its not bad. he will go through the stories and legends about these kinda things first and then loop back and do a debunk where possible. gives sources. its pretty entertaining, heckling sidekick and all
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Real hurthling! posted:god save the queen
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Dokapon Findom posted:I call it Fort Detricks, because that's where they trick ya
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my bony fealty posted:lol Kevin Spacey got hit with the heart attack gun Let me be Frank, it's disappointing he survived
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Sleekly posted:its not bad. he will go through the stories and legends about these kinda things first and then loop back and do a debunk where possible. gives sources. its pretty entertaining, heckling sidekick and all the dude is a little Joe Rogan-ish and he uses the fish gimmick to kind of say things he doesn't want to be on record as saying, there's a bit of climate science denialism in the fish dialogues that's a little  but it's an entertaining channel
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my bony fealty posted:lol Kevin Spacey got hit with the heart attack gun negligent discharge
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my bony fealty posted:lol Kevin Spacey got hit with the heart attack gun it's not super effective...
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the why files "where high iq nerds come to laugh and learn"
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mawarannahr posted:it's not super effective... you have to have a heart for it to really work
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fanfic insert posted:the dude is a little Joe Rogan-ish and he uses the fish gimmick to kind of say things he doesn't want to be on record as saying, there's a bit of climate science denialism in the fish dialogues that's a little The fish also talks about vaccines. I figured it was a trick to appeal to a wide audience interested in watching conspiracy stuff, you can choose to view the fish as wink-wink-here's-the-real-truth or a get-a-load-of-qanons-amirite.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/NiallHughes/status/1710014547522666673?t=pdw04AsxpGYsT3sd5d84_g&s=19 mother....fucker!!
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